The Gruden Files - Year Two

Miami replaced the goat on a rope in the first Jurassic Park with the T-Rex.
Well, I'm not sure we have much better right now.

My biggest issue is he isn't adjusting or fixing these big issues. Cousins hasn't stopped with the bone head plays, we still come out in the 3rd flat, players are hurt and missing games (I think some staying out longer due to lack of motivation), and he doesn't seem to have any answers for any of those.
 
I think the part about players 'staying out longer due to lack of motivation' is kind of out there Mike (sorry!). We don't have a starting caliber QB right now (or there's no evidence we do). I don't think that's on Gruden, I think it's on the 3 QBs. That's about the only thing I'll give him a pass on though. Guys making stupid penalties, failure to make plays, bonehead mistakes, and the biggest one, failing to show up after halftime, those are all ultimately owned by Gruden and the rest of the coaching staff.
 
It's all good..but players come back or play through injuries when motivated for something or have a team they are excited to play for. It can be out there, I'll own that. But I don't think it's THAT far out there lol
 
Not a chance in hell.

I'll give him credit though, he forced his decision and he is sticking to it...probably all the way to the unemployment line.
 
So when he came out in public and just laid into Griffin last year, everybody was up in arms..."You just can't do that to your QB in public!! Oh the humanity! The Outrage!! He should be fired...like yesterday!"

So since he hasn't done the same thing to Cousins this year, it's not that he's learned a lesson, it's that he's picking favorites and just not playing fair? And you want him to break down Cousins in public...the same behavior you admonished him for last year?

For all we know, he could be giving Kirk an ear full behind closed doors. Who knows?

Some of you guys are funny.......
 
The name of the thread is 'The Gruden Files - Year Two'. But I know many still can't get past year 1. It is what it is.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Woke up this morning in that familiar stupor of defeat... but have to admit it wasn't as bad as usual.

I think I've reached a realistic place with this team this year.

What I'm seeing is a team that seems close to turning the corner, but isn't there just yet. And I'm happy to accept that after the crap we've had to put up with lately.

So far this season it is very easy to say we could have our record reversed. We could very easily be 4-2 if the Dolphin and the Falcon games had gone slightly differently. But honestly 2-4 is about where I expected this team to be. Before the season if you'd have asked me I'd have said we were a 5-11 team and that was optimistic.

I never expected us to beat either Atlanta or the Jets to be honest. The fact we took the Falcons to overtime showed real progress, and holding onto the Jets for the first half was more than I expected yesterday.

Atlanta were undefeated and were used to racking up points on opponents. They only just beat us.

Jets were coming off a bye week rested and healthy, playing at home with a 3-1 record after pretty much whupping Miami, Cleveland and the Colts. The only thing that gave me a smidgen of hope was that as teams go they weren't super intimidating (like for instance the game with the Patriots will be!) and that the Eagles beat them. I thought beating them was a long shot so I was encouraged by our having them tied at the half.

So we're where I thought we'd be pretty much. I like that our Defense shows spirit and grit. I like that the O-Line (when healthy and complete) looks great (Only 7 sacks conceded in 5 games, which is pretty darned stingy when you think back to previous years and that horrific Detroit pre season game). I like the direction Special Teams is heading in and Hopkins is the business! I like the moves that McLoughlin made in the off season and think we're heading in the right direction at least. So I'm willing to pace myself through this season in the hopes that better years are ahead. Oh and I'm VERY happy with Breeland!!!! Also, and I don't know whether this is an anomaly for this game, but no penalties in the first half, and only 3 pemalties for 15 yards total! Turning the corner? Or a blip? Oh and we're winning the Turnover battle.... just. No help from Capt Kirk!

We've been hit pretty bad by injuries it's true. Especially on the O-Line and at TE. I'm actually amazed at how well we're coping with back ups and scrubs off the practice team. If and when we get our starters back we should be back to looking pretty good.

But.....

Here's the kicker on Gruden.

Personally I hate the instability at key positions. The best teams have continuity across the skill positions and the last couple of years it was a carousel of QB's and this year it's RB's. Factor in the inability for Reed and Jackson to stay on the field and by default we have a rotating line up of Receivers and Tight Ends too. I know every team has to adjust to injuries, but I don't think Gruden helps himself sometimes with the constant tinkering. I freely admit I'm a Griffin man, but I'm happy enough with Kirk if he sticks to his guns and allows him the whole season at least under centre and doesn't chop and change again. I'm sick of that. And I get that he's trying our Thompson and Jones because Alfred may not be here next year, but dammit I wish he'd just let the Offense have continuity across as many areas as possible.

As my wife is a Green Bay fan I watch ALOT of Packer games too, and that team just looks familiar and in a groove. that team just looks like a team that has played together long term and KNOWS each other and they have just settled into a groove. Even when they have to spot out Lacy with Starks, or when they lost Nelson and brought back James Jones to fill the spot, they all look just familiar with Rodgers and the system. It shows so much, watching the Skins game and the Packers game back to back yesterday the difference is night and day.

I don't care if this is a losing season this year, I'd just like to see us try and establish that groove ourselves. Cousins doesn't have to be Aaron Rodgers, he just needs to learn and grow, stop making the rookie mistakes and manage the games. Just let the team play together, take our lumps.

As has been said above, problem is that after this year we're in trouble again potentially...

Morris and Cousins are free agents. Morris probably won't get the money he wants from us and will move on. Cousins likewise may well get offered a role at another club where they desperately need a QB who can manage games, and I doubt the Redskins will stand in his way of leaving. Which means potentally a new QB/RB combo next year. (I doubt we'll fall back to McCoy or Griffin now!). Plus if we bomb this year then Gruden may be gone too and then bang goes all our continuity hopes.

Biggest issue I feel is with the Offense and especially the 3rd quarter woes. I can't blame injuries for that, we're generally pretty good in Q1 and Q2, so it's not the personnel. But when it comes to being fired up after halftime and to making game adjustments.... gotta put that on Gruden.

Sorry.... I rambled on there.... :)
 
As my wife is a Green Bay fan I watch ALOT of Packer games too, and that team just looks familiar and in a groove. that team just looks like a team that has played together long term and KNOWS each other and they have just settled into a groove. Even when they have to spot out Lacy with Starks, or when they lost Nelson and brought back James Jones to fill the spot, they all look just familiar with Rodgers and the system. It shows so much, watching the Skins game and the Packers game back to back yesterday the difference is night and day.

I think the Packers actually secretly suck and that Aaron Rodgers is better than anyone in the history of football.

Pierre Garcon would be the best receiver on that roster by a mile.

Before all the injuries, I think the talent across the board on them and the Skins is actually about equal. Minus that one dude of course.

The fact that they have not built a better team for Rodgers is a travesty.
 
I don't think there really needs to be a debate on Cousins. He is what he is. That should be no surprise.

McCoy? He's just another Cousins. Maybe instead of 4-12 he'll lead us to 5-11.

What I want to know is ... and I know we are rebuilding and have no talent and everyone's hurt and all, but ... are our players magically not scrubs and not injured during the first half? The team is clearly capable of playing at a passable level. And after six games it's not a coincidence or bad luck that the team massively collapses in the third quarter.

Gruden is being out coached, plain and simple. He devises a game plan, the players execute it well enough to hang with the opposition, and then the opposing coach adjusts.

Ballgame.

Every. Week.

Anyway, let's see how it goes in Tampa. No way we should lose that game. If we've truly turned some sort of corner, if things are really different this time around and not just early season flashes like we see every year, we should win that one by 10 at least. If we don't we're looking at 4 wins tops again. Just like last year.

That will make for an interesting offseason.
 
Last edited:
I don't think there really needs to be a debate on Cousins. He is what he is. That should be no surprise.

McCoy? He's just another Cousins. Maybe instead of 4-12 he'll lead us to 5-11.

What I want to know is ... and I know we are rebuilding and have no talent and everyone's hurt and all, but ... are our players magically not scrubs and not injured during the first half? The team is clearly capable of playing at a passable level. And after six games it's not a coincidence or bad luck that the team massively collapses in the third quarter.

Gruden is being out coached, plain and simple. He devises a game plan, the players execute it well enough to hang with the opposition, and then the opposing coach adjusts.

Ballgame.

Every. Week.

Anyway, let's see how it goes in Tampa. No way we should lose that game. If we've truly turned some sort of corner, if things are really different this time around and not just early season flashes like we see every year, we should win that one by 10 at least. If we don't we're looking at 4 wins tops again. Just like last year.

That will make for an interesting offseason.

Can't argue with most of that - except... Coaching is huge. No doubt about that. But the coaches don't play a single down. We have a lot of youngsters out there. I really believe you have to learn to win in the NFL. You have to believe you can win, you have to stop making drive-killing, point-giving, soul-crushing mistakes that prevent you from winning, and you have to learn how to win. Every down, every series, every game.

We still have a lot to learn.

And yeah, a lot of that is coaching. But some of it is about players growing too.
 
Redskins offseasons are no longer interesting.

In fact, they've become more like the movie Groundhog Day.

Season comes to a grinding halt, everyone has their pitchforks out and the bonfires lit.

If the fans get their wish, the whole coaching staff is fired and a new search begins.

New guy is hired,then the fanbase complains about the staff he assembles.

New guy struggles with poor roster and then the whispers start...."he's not really that good. Look at that resume, how did he even get considered? Bet this was all Dan's idea,that bastard!

Coach gets a second year because the fans begrugingly come to the conclusion that no one would coach here if they knew they only get one year to take an expansion roster to the playoffs.

Halfway point of second season it's "Off with his head" even though almost half the roster is on either IR or Inactive list due to injury.

Doesn't matter that 3/5ths of the Oline is missing and both starting corners are out, we should be 5-1 right now even though Ty Nysekhe and Josh LeRibeus are starting.

"Where did the run game go? It sucks!" Yeah, no kidding! Let's see you run behind the McRib and Nysekhe...

So Gruden's fired at the end of the season and this January, Redskins fans will promise that they'll have the patience to sit through another season while something is built...."Honest Injun! We really mean it this time!"

And fans wonder why we have no stability here and why we never seem to build any kind of system that helps the GM and front office identify talent that fits?

Can you hear it? Listen closely....

Babe...I got you Babe......
 
I agree with you in general DP - but the fans don't make the decisions. Shanahan HAD to go - he had totally lost the lockerroom and the organization was in it's most dysfunctional state in years. If McCloughan is the guy everyone believes he is, he'll do what's smart and prudent and in the long-term interest of the franchise., and it'll be a decision made in total disregard to whatever direction fan sentiment is blowing.

I couldn't disagree more about the off-seasons btw. We have someone in place who knows the value of draft picks and knows what to do with them. I don't want another season where we're talking about the draft by the end of November. But when we do get to the offseason, it's going to be a lot more exciting than it has been in years past. You're letting all of the snark, woe, and sarcasm get to you :)
 
Meh. I'm not saying fire anyone. I'm not saying I have a solution to any of this mess.

I'm just observing what's going on. How to fix it ... or not ... that's above my pay grade.
 
Sitting here in the aftermath of the 2nd half Jets meltdown ...

I think there is only one way TO fix it:

Find a real starting QB next year.

Have Scot M. add another draft and FA crop.

Hope we can get through more than a quarter of the season next year without losing half the team to injury.

Win.
 
We're only one game back :D

In the six games played, all but one and maybe even in that one there were 'things' to chew on that were not particularly bitter.

It'd be nice to get a full meal once in a while, hell I'd take one at Cracker Barrel.
 
I agree with much of what is said here.

My point on the Packers wasn't that they're a better team on a personnel basis (apart from Rodgers!) but that that team has benefited from a stable coaching and QB arrangements for a long time now. When a team is that comfortable with each other you don't have to be superstars at every position to look great and win every week.

Which is what they do.

I think we have some great receivers in Jackson, Garcon and Crowder. Better than anything GB has. I'd also take Morris over Lacy.

But when you watch them play.... man they just look unflustered, calm, comfortable... Generally they just look like a team that thinks "Yup, we been here before, no big deal, we can still win this." And often they're right in that. That is NOT something the Skins look alot of the time.

DP had it right, the Skins have had so much turmoil at every single level of the organisation that it's hard to get to a point where the team can feel that comfortable.

Which is why I'm happy with McLoughlin doing his thing and I'm happy with Gruden staying and growing (hopefully) with this team and I'm happy with them keeping Cousins at QB and seeing if what we have with him is just growing pains or if this is what he will always be.

As a Redskins fan I just yearn for some stability and continuity across the board.

My pitchforks are packed away and I don't want to dust them off anytime soon.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Total: 3, Members: 0, Guests: 3)

Help Users

You haven't joined any rooms.

    You haven't joined any rooms.
    Top