RG3 Development Tracker 2015

[Elephant]

My friend, your opinion will always be with a lb of salt. Love ya!

Mike, my "opinion" is more accurate than your support of a bad QB just because he is on our team.

I am the one who continues to be proven correct about RG3.

Keep supporting him...like ST said, you're loyalty is a trait I truly admire. However, I refuse to let my loyalty to this team get in the way of the truth in front of me.

I said it before, I'll say it again, RG3 will not be on the roster of the Washington Redskins at the start of the 2016 season...not because a coach is out to get him, but because he just isn't a very good QB in the NFL.

 

[MikeSr619]

Mike, my "opinion" is more accurate than your support of a bad QB just because he is on our team.

I am the one who continues to be proven correct about RG3.

Keep supporting him...like ST said, you're loyalty is a trait I truly admire. However, I refuse to let my loyalty to this team get in the way of the truth in front of me.

I said it before, I'll say it again, RG3 will not be on the roster of the Washington Redskins at the start of the 2016 season...not because a coach is out to get him, but because he just isn't a very good QB in the NFL.

Yawn. You've already said you were biased and didn't like him.

I'd rather you stop quoting me and move on past this. For the same reasons we don't talk about it outside of this board.

 

[Boone]

Blaming RG3 exclusively for the poor offensive performance is as dumb as blaming the o-line exclusively for the poor performance.

Oh, and some coaches were involved as well with that debacle.

No one is dumb here tr1. Watch your tone.


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[Elephant]

Blaming RG3 exclusively for the poor offensive performance is as dumb as blaming the o-line exclusively for the poor performance.

Oh, and some coaches were involved as well with that debacle.

Can you please tell me where I blamed RG3 exclusively for the offensive performance? I said he is doing a fine job of making himself look bad. I did not say the OL played brilliantly...it did not! I did not say the coaches were not to blame for a poor performance buy our 1st string offense.

My statement did not exclude in any way, the rest of the poor performance.

 

[Elephant]

Yawn. You've already said you were biased and didn't like him.

I'd rather you stop quoting me and move on past this. For the same reasons we don't talk about it outside of this board.

Tired tactic my friend...

The truth is, he is not living up to expectations set upon him by the masses. Are you still holding on to some hope that he'll be good enough to be successful in a Redskins' jersey.

 

[MikeSr619]

We're done, brian. And that's the last time I reply to you.

 

[Boone]

Then watch your tone and language.


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[Elephant]

Sorry, I guess I missed where you mentioned the o-line and coaches...oh, that's right, you didn't.

At times you can be the most intellectually dishonest person I have ever seen. I highlighted the terrible performance from RG3 because it was being suggested the performance was not his fault.

That does not mean I have to qualify anything with an clarification about the performance of the rest of the team.

 

[Shi no Tenshi]

Honestly, when I rewatched the parts of the game with Griffin in, I saw a QB who didn't make a bad situation better. The line was not doing well, and getting bulldozed, but Griffin didn't do the small things to help them out. He would look for the longer gain instead of taking the underneath route that presented quickly. That happened a couple times, where he could have saved himself the hit/sack if he just took the quicker route, but he was usually looking for the longer gain.

Toward the beginning of the game, when he got sacked by Scherff getting bull rushed, he had a small window of time to hit Ryan Grant on an out pattern (DBs were off enough to make it at worst an incompletion). Crappy situation, can't blame Griffin for getting sacked, but he was looking that direction and just didn't trust the throw.

On the 3rd and 6 when he got hit as he threw to Roberts, he had Garcon crossing on a drag route that could have picked up the first if he lead him with the throw. But it was an underneath route, and Griffin was looking deeper.

When he got sacked on 2nd and 12, he honestly didn't have anywhere good to go in the pocket, and just needed to evacuate. No way to see down the field if he had an open receiver. Je'Ron Hamm had slipped out on the delayed route out of the backfield underneath though, and he could have hit that checkdown.

It is true that these are all nitpicky things I see by watching the film from a very comfortable chair. I have no idea what line of sight he possibly had, he may not have seen the receivers on a couple of those with the linemen in his face. But there were things there that he could have hit, that could have made a bad situation better. The line play was atrocious, and Griffin was put in a terrible position. But from what I saw, he was looking too far down field, and hopefully he can understand going forward that if your line is sucking that badly, maybe those short routes are your special friends that night.

 

[Boone]

I really hate talking to grown men like they are 6th graders. Please post respectfully guys.


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[Elephant]

Well, at least you didn't call me dumb.

You're not dumb...just dishonest.

 

[micks113]

I don't really know why folks want Robert to go back to what he does best. He doesn't do that well at it any more. Its as if we've forgotten where we came from with him.

But here is the real answer to why we won't utilize Robert in that way. Its because this team had already made a fundamental change in philosophy. They have disclosed that to all of us. Bring in the big guys, become a physical team (not a finesse team), emphasize the run while stretching the field with the WR's. Its a fundamental change in SCHEME. The game plans will be built around the goal of sticking to this scheme. That means sweeps, dives, traps, screens, draws, not "roll outs", not "read options", not bubble screens. Our passing game will be long balls, we don't have the slot or TE to go to. Once we are successful running the ball, the long pass will come into play and Robert needs to learn the art of play action football. Remember what Gruden said....baby steps.

 

[Goaldeje]

I don't really know why folks want Robert to go back to what he does best. He doesn't do that well at it any more. Its as if we've forgotten where we came from with him.

But here is the real answer to why we won't utilize Robert in that way. Its because this team had already made a fundamental change in philosophy. They have disclosed that to all of us. Bring in the big guys, become a physical team (not a finesse team), emphasize the run while stretching the field with the WR's. Its a fundamental change in SCHEME. The game plans will be built around the goal of sticking to this scheme. That means sweeps, dives, traps, screens, draws, not "roll outs", not "read options", not bubble screens. Our passing game will be long balls, we don't have the slot or TE to go to. Once we are successful running the ball, the long pass will come into play and Robert needs to learn the art of play action football. Remember what Gruden said....baby steps.

Which is why it was insane for Gruden to leave Griffin out there when our OLine clearly wasn't up for that kind of play. As Shi just pointed out, Robert had some underneath stuff open, but if he was being coached to go for the long ball as you suggest, and Gruden threw him out there again, Gruden should have been fired yesterday at Noon.

 

[DieselPwr44]

Which is why it was insane for Gruden to leave Griffin out there when our OLine clearly wasn't up for that kind of play. As Shi just pointed out, Robert had some underneath stuff open, but if he was being coached to go for the long ball as you suggest, and Gruden threw him out there again, Gruden should have been fired yesterday at Noon.

Oh BS.

Robert Griffin is a grown up,professional football player. If he doesn't have sense enough to take the checkdown and tell Gruden that that's the best he could do with the protection he was getting, that's on him.

There's a reason the offense has hot reads in it...to keep your Qb from getting killed.

Bob's been here four years yet fans continue to want the staff to mollycoddle him. Where's Bob's responsibility lie?

He's the one that has to learn to play from the pocket. Either know your options and especially your hot reads or throw the ball away.

He also practices with these guys everyday...he ought to know full well what he has in front of him...both strengths and weaknesses...who should hold up and who won't and adjust his game accordingly.

So far,it looks like he doesn't even have enough sense for self preservation...and that's on Bob.

 

[Ax]

Conversely, I don't recall either of the other QB's taking a check down as quickly as Robert would have had to against the Lions. Part of that is the book on Robert. Go after him, every play, and hit him. Late if needs be. Better coaching would use that against them. Come regular season, that should be part of the game plan with Robert. If he's still alive.

Otherwise, lots of blame to go around. Griffin is the "go to" lightning rod. Some of that he brings on himself. But certainly not all of it.
Gruden is a distant second.

We'll know a lot more be the end of September.

 

[Primus Porcus]

I seem to remember more then 1 time Cousins buying time in the pocket and hitting Jones on a check down, so I don't think it's an effect of running a different scheme. I do think that the playcalling WAS different because the things Griffin NEEDS to work on.. are different then the things Cousins / McCoy need to work on. This is preseason folks, this is when you develop reps at 'game' speed.

The best pitchers in baseball tend to have bad numbers in the preseason because they are working on something that they are not used to. They throw more fastballs over the inner half. They'll throw 4 curveballs in a row in order to work on it, and when the batter keys on it on the 3rd one he puts it over the wall. Could the pitcher adjust to put up good numbers in the preseason? Sure... but that wouldn't develop him into a better pitcher, just put into effect what he's already good at. Gruden NEEDS to force Griffin to stay in the pocket now because it's what he needs the most work on. He's shown an ability to be effective on roll outs and other things, but that would just be perpetuating something he's already got skill in. How is he supposed to get better as a pocket passer if he doesn't get game reps til we face Miami / St Louis. We can't roll him out every play, so at some point he's going to have to face the fire. He's an NFL QB. Getting hit is part of his job, it's up to him to minimize those instances, and run the offense.

He's not the only issue, don't read that incorrectly. Like others have posted, the O-line was struggling, but he's got to be able to compensate to an extent. We simply are not going to be able to have the Hogs of 91 back who gave up 4 sacks the entire season... it's just simply unreasonable to even think that's a possibility. Adjustment and compensation are part of what needs to be expected of a starting QB. NOW is the time to push him in order to develop those skills, NOT when the game counts.

 

[Goaldeje]

All of that is fine. Without Trent in there however, Griff didn't have enough time to breathe. 7 of his 8 pass attempts weren't clean. Some of those (definitively his last one, no argument at all about that one) were surely on him. But at some point, as your QB is getting killed, as a leader you have to say enough. Having less than optimal protection IS a learning experience; having an OLine that can't block ANYTHING is criminal.

Gruden should have known the difference. Shit, I saw the difference from the TV.

 

[Solitary Man]

I hope Cavanaugh can bring RG3's right elbow in when he is holding the ball. I think his unorthodox technique contributed to his fumble on Thursday. Also, in games last year it seemed RG3 did not want to take risks. I got the feeling he was concerned about his stats.
Even Sonny said it in the pregame. Throw it RG3.

 

[Primus Porcus]

All of that is fine. Without Trent in there however, Griff didn't have enough time to breathe. 7 of his 8 pass attempts weren't clean. Some of those (definitively his last one, no argument at all about that one) were surely on him. But at some point, as your QB is getting killed, as a leader you have to say enough. Having less than optimal protection IS a learning experience; having an OLine that can't block ANYTHING is criminal.

Gruden should have known the difference. Shit, I saw the difference from the TV.

Ok, so some of those are on him... let's say 50%. So he had 4 of his 8 pass attempts contested directly because of the fact that the offensive line was struggling.

If you are a coach, and you're watching Griffin get 'blown up' but 1/2 of those situations it's because of a mistake on Griffins part. How do you fix that? Pull him out and hold his hand? No, you tell him in between series, send him out, and you EXPECT a professional QB to make an adjustment. I can't in my heart think that Gruden, McVay, or Cavanaugh literally told Griffin half way through that 1st quarter to NOT look at his check down. I'd actually expect they told him the opposite. This is all my opinion, I understand that, but even if Gruden is 'setting him up for failure' do you think that McVay, Cavanaugh, and Callahan would let it happen? Those three guys are just as impacted by the struggles of the QB as Gruden is. Callahan is touted as the best OL coach in the world, and I'd imagine he's got aspirations to be a head coach at some point, so if in fact his O-Line is the cause of Griffins failure, it's going to look bad on him too.

 

[micks113]

All of that is fine. Without Trent in there however, Griff didn't have enough time to breathe. 7 of his 8 pass attempts weren't clean. Some of those (definitively his last one, no argument at all about that one) were surely on him. But at some point, as your QB is getting killed, as a leader you have to say enough. Having less than optimal protection IS a learning experience; having an OLine that can't block ANYTHING is criminal.

Gruden should have known the difference. Shit, I saw the difference from the TV.

OK let's see how this year will play out......Robert starts game one, into the 3rd qtr of a close game, trent gets a stinger and must leave for a few plays. Wait, time out, pull Griffin, put in the sub until our #1 line is back in. Trent comes back in Griffin comes back in. Ooops Scherf goes out with an ankle. Pull Griffin, put in the sub.

Honestly, I don't know that I have seen any NFL team during any of my years of watching NFL pull out their QB because another player is hurt. The NFL is about "the next man up".