Random Commanders Thoughts

Boone, at heart i doubt you'll ever fully stop being a fan. It's not in our nature as Redskins fan. I completely understand the mentality of not investing in a dysfunctional franchise and it pains me that I can personally even understand the mentality and feeling of it. I can't blame anyone for feeling that way and I hope and prey it changes sooner rather then later.
 
Thanks. Obviously, the questions were fairly rhetorical. However, I wasn't totally sure. I think a stat like that one speaks volumes about the offense.

BB....to complete the analysis you also need to know how many plays were planned for that mid-range distance and...

- how many completed

- how many QB passing errors (over-throws, ec)

- how many sacks

- how many pressures that disrupted the timing of a play

- how many incompletes due to dropped passes or receivers running the wrong route

figure out all the ratios to get a better idea of where the problems really lie.
 
me thinks an emergency edict should be passed prohibiting Skins fans from carrying any form of weapon for at least the next 6 mos!!!!
 
If I were Gruden, I'd call a team meeting tomorrow. I'd announce to the team that we aren't allowed to fine players for 'speaking their mind' on social media. But it's the coaches decision who plays and who doesn't, and any team-related post on social media, whether cryptic or obvious, would result in that player being benched, regardless of who posts it.

And they'd hate you for it.

Until they started winning, then they'd respect you for it.


When players won't respond to the carrot, you need to try the stick. You could ask Norv Turner about that, but Norv will probably never admit the truth, not even to himself.

So ask Marty Schottenheimer, and he'll tell you that if you can't unite a team by getting them to love you, you can still unite them by forcing them to hate you. It was no accident, how Marty managed to piss off two future Hall of Famers in his first few weeks in D.C., then ran off 8 wins in his final 11 games after the team finally bought in. It's how a head coach with all the flexibility of a stressed I-beam managed to stick around the NFL long enough to make 13 trips to the playoffs.

Since Gruden won't always be blessed with high-character, self-motivated players, maybe the fact that he has a chance to learn this lesson early in his tenure is a blessing in disguise.

If these brush fires extinguish themselves over the next few weeks, we'll know he took advantage of the opportunity to assert himself. If they don't, well then Gruden lacks the stones to stand up to either his players or, possibly (as tr1 said), his owner.

And his chances of winning here are slim.
 
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There is something rotten at the core of this organization. No matter who comes here, no matter their pedigree, no matter how much of a winner they were before... something goes terribly wrong almost as soon as they arrive. Sometimes, rarely, their winning ways lasts for a little bit... but the longer they stay, the further they regress.

It can't be just coincidence. Not this many times. It can't be. And it's devastating coming to terms with it.
 
One of these two won"t be here next season. It's starting to get nasty.

Nah - its just starting to get real. Film does not lie, if you take a 3 step drop when you should take 5 its on film. If you read the wrong side of the field based on coverage its on film. If you turn down your first read when hes open and hold the ball taking a sack its on film. Gruden will have sat down with Griffin in private and gone through all this and much much more before the presser. He will probably have told Griffin what he was going to say. How Griffin responds will be interesting - I think (hope?) he takes it as a challenge and works his ass off to get better and we see that on the field. If he does not get better than he showed Sunday he will not be here much longer anyway.

Bottom line RGIII has to get much better than he was on Sunday to be a good QB, its Grudens job to help him and sometimes publicly challenging a guy can be productive. Its not without risk of course ...but personally I like Grudens approach here.
 
There is something rotten at the core of this organization. No matter who comes here, no matter their pedigree, no matter how much of a winner they were before... something goes terribly wrong almost as soon as they arrive. Sometimes, rarely, their winning ways lasts for a little bit... but the longer they stay, the further they regress.

It can't be just coincidence. Not this many times. It can't be. And it's devastating coming to terms with it.

Bingo.

As an organisation we are fundamentally dysfunctional.
 
I can take a lot as a fan, but I'm not going to continue to root for and emotionally (and otherwise) invest in a team where all we ever have is drama, drama, drama. I'm just not. And I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment. I think a lot of fans are reaching a breaking point. I actually agree with Brian Mitchell on all this for God's sake. And that genuinely frightens me. I never imagined walking away from being a Redskins fan. But I'm not too far from it at the moment, I've got to be honest.

Boone.. I don't see you "walking away from being a Redskins fan"... I see you frustrated (as I am) with the team (from the top down, including Snyder)... and you and I were around for the JKC days... so we got spoiled. Cooke gave his coaches what the coaches want. Snyder is giving the coaches what Snyder wants. Plain and simple.. the problem starts at the top. And that IS frustrating. Doesn't stop me from rooting for the team.. unfortunately, being on the bottom of that hierarchy, the players themselves have nothing to do with it. :(
 
Griffin is in his third year in the NFL. He looks like a sixth round draft pick rookie starting out there. He basically is a guy that has a strong arm and can throw the deep ball and occasionally hit it, but he can't read defenses or show the proper mechanics in setting up to throw the football.

You can say that he has been injured and had to view things from the sidelines or film room, but then again you can say that Aaron Rodgers SAT for his first THREE years in the NFL before he got the chance to play at all. He sat on the sidelines and watched Brett Favre.

So what is Griffin missing?

Watching him the past couple of weeks it seems painfully obvious that Griffin does not have a natural feel for the quarterback position. Yes, he can throw the ball down the field. He can run with the ball. But he can't feel the rush. He doesn't have good pocket skills. He throws off balance and without setting his feet. He short-arms balls for interceptions.

What's worse, he refuses to throw the ball out of bounds to avoid costly sacks and negative plays.

Coaching? Maybe he is being coached during the week, but he looks like a kid playing sandlot football on Sunday.

No sophistication to his game at all.

I disagree with a few comments here. I won't address them all (re: this being his third year, personally I think it's more like his second) as I've addressed a few in other posts.

But as far as him "feeling the pocket"... a year ago, or even two years ago, some of those sacks would have been fumbles. I think he felt the pocket COLLAPSING and did what he could to protect the ball and not give up a fumble. I was there as I said. I did not feel heart from any one (Morris excluded)... and I could barely count to 3 half the time, if not more, when he tried to stay in the pocket. He's not getting protection. Whether that's because there's an issue with players playing WITH him, or talent, well, in the second half after Trent Williams went down, that pocket collapsed like it was made of jello. Part of it could be him not feeling the rush... but again... in one sense, he's told to "play his game" and in the other he's told to stay in the pocket. I don't care if you're a 10-year QB... mixed messages may make you think a second longer.

Now you guys have way more cents than I have to give for my opinion :) I'm against pulling RG3, I want him to ride this out, but I also want some protection up front to see what he can really do. We won't really know until that happens.. and that probably won't happen until the offseason.
 
Now you guys have way more cents than I have to give for my opinion :) I'm against pulling RG3, I want him to ride this out, but I also want some protection up front to see what he can really do. We won't really know until that happens.. and that probably won't happen until the offseason.

I totally agree that RGIII should play the rest of the year almost come what may just so we can find out if he IS going to develop into the guy we all thought we had in 2012 and we hope we still have. I think we can all also agree we have issues on the O'Line and that pass protection was/is sub par (being able to line up correctly and not jump offsides would be a bonus as well).

However here is the thing about protections - its not all on the O'Line. First the QB and/or centre have to get us into the right protection. Then if the play calls for a 3 or 5 step drop thats what the QB has to do because thats what the line expect and are blocking for - if your QB is in the wrong place it makes things difficult for the line. Next if the play is based on a 3 step drop (or pistol and one step) the timing of the play and the blocking REQUIRE the ball to come out quick. You have to let it go on time. Finally even if everything above happens there will be times you get pressure and a QB has to have a 6th sense of where that pressure is coming from and when and an ability to move within the pocket to create that half a second to get the ball off or feeling where he can escape and extend the play outside the pocket. Right now thats not something RGIII is good at or has.
 
JKC was a class A prick who thought he was better than anybody else. But while the team was winning, everybody looked the other way.

Snyder would enjoy the same treatment, if the team won. Let's not make JKC something he wasn't.

And, oh by the way, without Gibbs, JKC didn't do a goddamn thing.

Except hire Norv Turner. Build FedEx. And move the team.
 
2.9 seconds.

It took me longer than that to write this. Now go play football and execute with that little time.

Payton Manning has been said to have an average release time of 2.6 or something close to that, and he's had many years to get to that point, behind good O lines. Yes, Robert has had his screw up's like stepping up into the pressure, or not the proper number of steps on a drop back. When you're focused on not getting killed and protecting the ball, making your reads... going through your progressions, and all the key points to being an efficient QB become secondary points.

I can only hope that Gruden gets struck by a bolt from above, looks at the 2012 play book, and says to Robert, go play the way you know how to play. It will take more then one off season to rebuild the O line, but Robert can be successful while doing so. Robert is thinking too much, and not playing instinctively.

I've said it countless times, you don't hitch a plow rig to a thoroughbred. We've invested a lot in Robert. People worry about him getting injured again playing in an option system. He's not doing the team any good playing tentatively in Grudens system, and may see him not being retained at the end of his contract the way things are going. At this point we have little to loose.... let him play his game.
 
The League has caught up on how to play against the read option...there is no returning to 2012. That doesn't mean it's ineffective but offenses can't exploit the defenses the same way as 2012. I believe there was a rule change that made the qb lose his status and protections as well but I don't recall the details.
 
While I agree to some extent the league has caught up to the option, if you have a QB that routinely puts up 60 + yards per game running, you still have to account for him as a D, and it opens things up. Robert is healthy, it's his mind slowing him down trying to be what the coach wants him to be. He can easily rip off those crazy runs he did in the past. He's always played fearless, but in this system he's playing scared.

There shouldn't be an experiment going on to see if you can make Robert into something he's not. You build a system around him to complement his skill set. Shanny did that with Robert in year one. If not for his screw up in letting Robert play injured, and submitting to the overwhelming pressure to dial it back wit the option in 13, adding in Robert not really being 100%, it was a no win situation.
 
JKC was a class A prick who thought he was better than anybody else. But while the team was winning, everybody looked the other way.

Snyder would enjoy the same treatment, if the team won. Let's not make JKC something he wasn't.

And, oh by the way, without Gibbs, JKC didn't do a goddamn thing.

Except hire Norv Turner. Build FedEx. And move the team.

Yeah, 'the Squire' was your typical self made baron-type guy but he tended to get things headed in the right direction most of the time.

His group did get Gibbs into the fold and it appears he was willing to listen to that group on football matters.

Hired Norval, yep, didn't seem too bad a move at the time and we had no idea his HC acumen was not 'all that', just remember the state of the team and the changing league after Gibbs' first abandonment.

Built Fed Ex, yep, hope we all remember why. RFK was a loss loss, too small, too old and the Armory Board held 'im by the balls.

Moved the team for the same reasons he paid to build Fed Ex, I guess he could have stayed at RFK with premium game day prices but do we really think DC Gov and Amory
Board would have made any improvements to the leasehold.

Just win is the mantra, how to is the problem and Cooke was the only Redskins owner to actually solve the bigger part of it.

Agree tho, Snyder will definitely benefit warts and all if he figures it out.


So would we.
 
Listening to the Junks this morning they had on the beat reporter from NBC for the Skins and she said they flat asked Gruden if he was having these same conversations in the locker room that he was in press conferences and he said he was. That everything he said in the press conference was also said to the people they involved in the locker room including Griffin and Jackson.
 
The League has caught up on how to play against the read option...there is no returning to 2012. That doesn't mean it's ineffective but offenses can't exploit the defenses the same way as 2012. I believe there was a rule change that made the qb lose his status and protections as well but I don't recall the details.

Disagree. Russell Wilson ran for over 100 yards a couple of weeks ago against the Giants mostly off read option. Its also still very effective at freezing linebackers in play action.

The first play we ran on Sunday which resulted in the pick was a read option packaged play. We had Morris on the dive, a read on the unblocked LDE, a pop pass down the seam to Reed as the first read and a bubble to Garcon to the right as the 2nd read. I'm pretty sure it was not a called play action pass out of the huddle because we did not block that DE. So Rob reads the end, rightly keeps the ball - the middle linebacker is held and Reed pops wide open down the seam. Rob is looking right at him, I mean RIGHT at him. The ball has to come our right now before the linebacker closes the window and gets in the throwing lane, but Rob hesiates and the backer is now in the throwing lane. Rob pumps it twice, cant come off to Garcon because he now has that unbloced DE right in his face. He spins out to his left and throws it low to Paul who bobbles it for the pick.

If Rob just reacts to his read the way he should, does not think about it and gets the ball out on time thats a 12-15 yard pick up on first down and we are rolling. Instead he hesitates and we end up with a turnover. Momentum is huge in football, so is confidence.

Read option is still a very effective play in the NFL - but you have to execute.
 
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