Random Commanders Thoughts

[Primus Porcus]

This doesn't bode well. At least DeSean isn't anonymous.

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He kind of has a point. I don't know if I like HOW the message was sent, but maybe it needs to be said. Not just for Griff but for the whole locker room. He's not wrong.

 

[fansince62]

It's not just one game though. If you really think the Vikings game was a remarkably solid performance, I have to question if you watched that game either.

He had some solid play in that game, but it was strife with missed opportunities and poor decisions. Remarkable it was not...solid in some areas...poor in others was more like it.

He made some good decisions yesterday, some very bad ones...again.

Everyone is looking for a scape goat and are quick to jump on him. We sucked in almost every facet of the game yesterday, all except Alfred Morris. Robert gets no pass, but I will not make him the scape goat either.

However, you have to question the team's lack of motivation with him on the field and wonder why Colt was able to push this poorly talented team against the Turds.

I am not saying Colt should start...he shouldn't. As long as Robert is healthy, he should be behind center. Some people simply need to start seeing what more and more people do...Robert won with a scheme to fit his ability. And that is coming from former players/pundits/coaches...not just certain fans who thought this was his destiny in the NFL.

You are investing too much energy in the cowturds game. there's a whole history that goes back decades. it's the one team hazmat seems to know how to defense. I also think you are confusing the results with a report card on Colt. IMO all Colt did was not screw it up. he didn't do anything spectacular - in fact, he also demonstrated incompetence tossing an int when in scoring position. it was the two dbs who were the difference makers in that game - and a dallass brain trust that couldn't figure what the rest of the league understands...that the secondary can't execute basic schemes.

the problem....nicely summarized by the czabe link you posted: if not Robert...then what? I see no plan on the horizon. RGIII may not be the answer...but we need to play this out to the end IMO. that includes building a top tier o-line. if he messes that up, then he's done.

in truth...I think the bigger issues lie with how the FO/operations is structured...and the impacts that has had all the way down to the coaching staff. that seems to be the lone constant all these years.

 

[DixieFlatline]

This isn't a shot at RG3. Jackson has already defended him.

He's likely talking about the o-line.

It's obvious. It's talked about by the analysts. It's mentioned here daily.

We continue to find mediocre talent on the lines. We will never win with bad linemen.

Brady, Rodgers, Brees...all of them would look bad behind this line.

I hope Colt does get a start to show everyone that he, too, will look bad behind that line. We're about to throw away our most talented qb since the 80's because of our half-assed talent evaluators who simply don't value line play.

That's they way I took his comment too, but you know people in the media will play this up.

 

[Primus Porcus]

That's they way I took his comment too, but you know people in the media will play this up.

They already have... Yahoo just posted an article saying Jax was firing back at Griff's post game comments.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/redskins-wide-receiver-desean-jackson-fires-back-at-robert-griffin-iii-153809697.html

and the Junkies are split on who it was directed toward

Jackson May Have Taken Shot at ?Basic? Teammates in ?Epic? Social Media Post « CBS DC

I hope everyone in that locker room reads that for was it is... prints it off and looks at it every day. He's right. We have a very basic lockeroom. We have some fantastic skill position players, but the franchise as a whole is very basic, from ownership to the fans it's like a virus.

 

[McD5]

They'll get to Garcon's comments on twitter next hour.

We have to expect a bunch of this stuff after a loss like that, and honestly, who could blame Jackson or Garcon for being pissed? They're in their prime, and I'm sure they're frustrated.

 

[Elephant]

You are investing too much energy in the cowturds game. there's a whole history that goes back decades. it's the one team hazmat seems to know how to defense. I also think you are confusing the results with a report card on Colt. IMO all Colt did was not screw it up. he didn't do anything spectacular - in fact, he also demonstrated incompetence tossing an int when in scoring position. it was the two dbs who were the difference makers in that game - and a dallass brain trust that couldn't figure what the rest of the league understands...that the secondary can't execute basic schemes.

the problem....nicely summarized by the czabe link you posted: if not Robert...then what? I see no plan on the horizon. RGIII may not be the answer...but we need to play this out to the end IMO. that includes building a top tier o-line. if he messes that up, then he's done.

in truth...I think the bigger issues lie with how the FO/operations is structured...and the impacts that has had all the way down to the coaching staff. that seems to be the lone constant all these years.

I keep saying the same thing, Al...we need to play this out. We have the RG3 card in hand and it needs to be played. I was not questioning McCoy's abilities as much as the way the team played with him under center. There was fire, determination. You see that with Robert on the field for about one half of the first quarter. He does nothing to advance this team and McCoy did. What is the disconnect because I do not think McCoy is a better QB?

I understand this team is bad...team being the operative word. I have been banging the OL/DL drum since before we drafted Robert. It is how teams win championships! We are poor on both lines.

And I think most fans invested as much as we are understand there is a fundamental flaw in the front office that keeps us in the doldrums.

But the team has nothing in the tank when Robert plays...they did with McCoy. Why?

 

[Boone]

They'll get to Garcon's comments on twitter next hour.

We have to expect a bunch of this stuff after a loss like that, and honestly, who could blame Jackson or Garcon for being pissed? They're in their prime, and I'm sure they're frustrated.

That's utter bullshit! Who can blame them? Their teammates, the fans, the coaches - that's who. You're either part of the problem or you are part of the solution. I don't care how talented you are, we'll see who cares about this team and who cares about themselves over the next several weeks. I would honestly rather lose with team guys than win with a bunch of selfish, finger-pointing pricks.

 

[MartinC]

We have some fantastic skill position players, but the franchise as a whole is very basic, from ownership to the fans it's like a virus.

I agree. Here is what I posted a little earlier in another thread on this topic ...

The thing is this team HAS talent. I watch teams every week win with less talent than this Redskins team. We need to get better in some key areas but I really dont think talent is the big problem. Neither is coaching, I like Gruden , think hes a good offensive coach and I like his approach. We have some good position coaches as well on offense. Think we need some changes on the defensive side of the ball but even there thats not the big problem.

Heres the problem - the entire organisation is dysfunctional. There is not a culture thats conducive to winning, there is not a focus throughout the whole organisation on winning football games and championships, there is not professionalism at all levels and a sense of everyone pulling in the same direction. Until all that changes draft picks, QBs Head Coaches will come and go and it will just be moving the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Culture starts at the top.

 

[DixieFlatline]

They already have... Yahoo just posted an article saying Jax was firing back at Griff's post game comments.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/redskins-wide-receiver-desean-jackson-fires-back-at-robert-griffin-iii-153809697.html

and the Junkies are split on who it was directed toward

Jackson May Have Taken Shot at ?Basic? Teammates in ?Epic? Social Media Post « CBS DC

I hope everyone in that locker room reads that for was it is... prints it off and looks at it every day. He's right. We have a very basic lockeroom. We have some fantastic skill position players, but the franchise as a whole is very basic, from ownership to the fans it's like a virus.

That Yahoo link didn't seem to work for me, but I'm not surprised at the speculation.

For what it's worth, I saw this post from Rich Tandler that puts the RGIII comments in their full perspective.

Did RG3 compare himself to Manning, Rodgers? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

 

[Primus Porcus]

I haven't come across Garcon's comments... what did he say?

 

[Boone]

So Brian, when the team reeled off 7 straight wins in 2012 - I guess that was despite their not respecting Robert and his leadership and skills?

McCoy outplayed Griffin because he executes the offense exactly the way Gruden designs it and wants it played. Griffin could learn fro that, but I don't think the offense playing down to the competition has anything to do with Griffin - this team has consistently done that regardless of who is under center.

 

[Primus Porcus]

That Yahoo link didn't seem to work for me, but I'm not surprised at the speculation.

For what it's worth, I saw this post from Rich Tandler that puts the RGIII comments in their full perspective.

Did RG3 compare himself to Manning, Rodgers? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

They must have pulled the article because the headline is still on my facebook wall, but if you click it it takes you to the default Yahoo page. Basically it just said linked the instagram post to a response to Griffin curb checking the team in the post game presser yesterday.

 

[Primus Porcus]

That's utter bullshit! Who can blame them? Their teammates, the fans, the coaches - that's who. You're either part of the problem or you are part of the solution. I don't care how talented you are, we'll see who cares about this team and who cares about themselves over the next several weeks. I would honestly rather lose with team guys than win with a bunch of selfish, finger-pointing pricks.

I agree with you. I dont like the approach but the message is valid... despite the way it was voiced. It should have been an in house conversation. If he wants to print that out and frame it in the locker room, I think it's a fantastic message at the root of it. Everyone needs to get better.

 

[Boone]

You really believe 'I'm great - it's everybody else that lacks talent' is a positive message? That's how I read it. Even if true how is that productive?

 

[Elephant]

So Brian, when the team reeled off 7 straight wins in 2012 - I guess that was despite their not respecting Robert and his leadership and skills?

McCoy outplayed Griffin because he executes the offense exactly the way Gruden designs it and wants it played. Griffin could learn fro that, but I don't think the offense playing down to the competition has anything to do with Griffin - this team has consistently done that regardless of who is under center.

John...please, I beg you to get out of that rut. That was 2 years ago. Look at his record over the past 2 years...it's abysmal. He inspires nothing anymore.

 

[Primus Porcus]

I didnt see anywhere that said that. The message said "You cant do epic sh*t with basic people"

I can easily read someone including them in that message.. Nowhere does it say "You're better then the rest of them" or "dont let bad teammates get you down" or something along those lines.

 

[DixieFlatline]

I didnt see anywhere that said that. The message said "You cant do epic sh*t with basic people"

I can easily read someone including them in that message.. Nowhere does it say "You're better then the rest of them" or "dont let bad teammates get you down" or something along those lines.

It certainly felt like to me that he was elevating himself above the 'basic people' which even if true, I don't like it being said like that.

Now, maybe DeSean is pulling the wool over everyone. Maybe he really means you can't do sh*t with basic fans. ;-)

 

[Boone]

You are trying to have it both ways Brian. On the one hand you are issuing non-I-told-you-so I-told-you-so's, while also covering your ass with 'but of course we need to ride this out to make sure'

I was not referencing his performance on the field 2012 vs. ever since. I was addressing what I believe you are implying, that somehow his teammates 'don't want to play' for Griffin. I think if that's what you're saying , you need to explain why they were so willing to play for him in 2012 but not now.

 

[Primus Porcus]

It certainly felt like to me that he was elevating himself above the 'basic people' which even if true, I don't like it being said like that.

Now, maybe DeSean is pulling the wool over everyone. Maybe he really means you can't do sh*t with basic fans. ;-)

Again, I said that the delivery was a major malfunction, but the message has merit. Everyone in that locker room up to the owner needs to read that message and figure out how they can be better then 'basic.' It absolutely comes across passive aggressive but reading it at the root of the message is something that can, and frankly should, be built upon.

 

[Elephant]

You are trying to have it both ways Brian. On the one hand you are issuing non-I-told-you-so I-told-you-so's, while also covering your ass with 'but of course we need to ride this out to make sure'

I was not referencing his performance on the field 2012 vs. ever since. I was addressing what I believe you are implying, that somehow his teammates 'don't want to play' for Griffin. I think if that's what you're saying g, you need to explain why they were so willing to play for him on 2012 but not now.

I am saying that, John. There is a disconnect and it is quite obvious. It could be that we were playing Dallass. It could be a fresh change from the train wreck Cousins had become. I don't know, but Robert is not inspiring his team mates.

And you're right, I am walking a fine line with the I told you so. I don't want to be that guy...though I know I probably am. However, we made our bed. We have to sleep in it so we can truly know.

Rodney Harrison suggested the evidence is there to know RG3 is not the answer. Doesn't matter at this point, he is the best talent we have and we have to ride it off the cliff at this point...if that's where it's headed. And you know I think that is where it's headed.