The best QB in Fedex tonight...

[MikeSr619]

Looked pretty obvious didn't it Boone? And to think we all were worried if he had his mojo back or not. bwahaha

Here's what I saw:

I saw a QB that can't slide, doesn't know when to run out of bounds and can't throw from the pocket. In other words, he won't last long if he continues to run and take the hits. One more hit to the knee and career over. (I think I like Cousins so we must keep him or sink, Cousins will play 3- games this year imho.)

I saw a special teams play that still looks like last year that sucked.

I saw a defense that is average, and I can't give them credit for 3 and outs against a team like Cleveland.

( I won't say anything about the turnovers and goal line stand......it is preseason and those mean nothing at the moment, but Griffin has got a problem and lost a step).

We are still the worst team in the NFCEast.

serious questions:

how many QBs do you think can take hits to the knee and not risk their careers being over?

How did our special teams suck? They got no return against us, we hit our field goals, and pinned them deep when needed.

You can't give our defense credit for 3 sacks and constant pressure on the QB with 4 or 5 people rushing? The designed blitzes that had #2 running around scared all game? Both QBs threw for a total of 67 yards I think it was. That is average?

If that is the worst in the NFC East than I would have to think what you think of the Cowbums and their defense!

 

[micks113]

Just to clarify my pocket comment when I said he can't throw from the pocket. I mean to say, he is an average pocket passer. That won't cut it. The NFL is littered with average QB's that throw from the pocket.

I'm beginning to think we may know the upside. That is, we saw all CAmpbell had early in his career and he never improved. I fear that Griffin is what you see is what you get.

 

[MattFancy]

Just to clarify my pocket comment when I said he can't throw from the pocket. I mean to say, he is an average pocket passer. That won't cut it. The NFL is littered with average QB's that throw from the pocket.

I'm beginning to think we may know the upside. That is, we saw all CAmpbell had early in his career and he never improved. I fear that Griffin is what you see is what you get.

Lol what? You went from saying "he can't throw from the pocket" to "he's an average passer". How are those even close to the same thing? He's still learning to throw from the pocket. I read an article on ESPN last month that said Griffin is actually one of the better pocket QBs in the league. There is a huge misconception about him because in his 1st 2 seasons, he didn't do it often, but when he did, he was really good at it.

What we see is what we get? So you're saying we'll get the same Griff we saw in 2012? I'll gladly take that one.

 

[SkinsFTW]

LOL, I wouldn't go so far as to compare him to Candle...

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[MattFancy]

I really love our fanbase, I really do. The sky is falling now after an uneven performance from RG3. No, it doesn't matter that he's learning a new offense. No it doesn't matter that we have new guys on the OL making adjustments. No, it doesn't matter that he has 2 new WRs he's working with. All that matter is RG3 is a terrible slider and he made 1 bad throw out of the 8 he attempted! He's never going to be as good as Jason Campbell you guys!!!!!

Did I do that right?

 

[fansince62]

I do believe the focus ought to be...when it comes down to games against the better teams who have quality QBs and good defenses.....is Robert in that upper tiern where his team has a fighting chance right up to the end?

right now...I can't tell. There's something missing. the closest I can come to the idea is "presence". aYou see it with the Mannings and Bradys. we saw it early on w/RGIII...but that has all but disappeared since the Seattle game. it's early and all that.

we'll see.

 

[Special K]

I really love our fanbase, I really do. The sky is falling now after an uneven performance from RG3. No, it doesn't matter that he's learning a new offense. No it doesn't matter that we have new guys on the OL making adjustments. No, it doesn't matter that he has 2 new WRs he's working with. All that matter is RG3 is a terrible slider and he made 1 bad throw out of the 8 he attempted! He's never going to be as good as Jason Campbell you guys!!!!!

Did I do that right?

I don't know if that's what's exactly being said by most "concerned" posters (although the post declaring our team the worst team in NFC East after a preseason game where our 1st teams played so little made me chuckle). I'm not going to speak for others, but my concern with RG3 has to do with his mentality and his struggle to fully grasp the importance of implementing the coaches' orders and advice about risk reduction on the field. Although I give him 5 stars for answering questions and addressing those concerns so masterfully in media interviews.

As for the slides: "Yay" for him making the decision to slide, but "OMG" to execution of a fundamental athletic move that had him come up limping. In a preseason game.

Expressing those concerns doesn't mean we (or at least I) think the sky is falling and we're doomed.

 

[Cycleans]

Cut the guy some slack... Without looking at a stat line my eyes tell me that Griffin is playing a lot better in the pocket than last season brace or not...Do any of you see it differently? Is he the second coming...? Who knows? He's starting a third year...he's had some up's and downs...mostly ups. I'm hoping to see a division title this season with either qb..If Griffin doesn't find a way to minimize his collisions we will need both. Gruden is doing a wonderful job so far and I believe it's a work in progress. I have to believe him that he's trying...

 

[MattFancy]

I don't know if that's what's exactly being said by most "concerned" posters (although the post declaring our team the worst team in NFC East after a preseason game where our 1st teams played so little made me chuckle). I'm not going to speak for others, but my concern with RG3 has to do with his mentality and his struggle to fully grasp the importance of implementing the coaches' orders and advice about risk reduction on the field. Although I give him 5 stars for answering questions and addressing those concerns so masterfully in media interviews.

As for the slides: "Yay" for him making the decision to slide, but "OMG" to execution of a fundamental athletic move that had him come up limping. In a preseason game.

Expressing those concerns doesn't mean we (or at least I) think the sky is falling and we're doomed.

Was necessarily directed at anyone in particular. Just that listening to the radio this morning and reading messageboards today, you'd think the season is already over for this team and RG3 is a bust. I'm not ready to declare any of that. There is some cause for concern, but not enough to make me think RG3 or this team is capable of producing this year.

P.S. Go Tigers!

 

[LoyalSkinsFan]

This is what I've seen so far this preseason......

I've seen a ton of backups play while our starters sit the majority of the games. I've seen more depth on this team than in many years. I've seen more QUALITY depth than I've seen on this team than in many years. I've seen a lot of situational play calling and schemes, highlighting particular situations and personnel. I've seen a very vanilla playbook....on both sides of the ball. I've seen a head coach who seems to be a realist in his assessments.....and in control of his team. I've seen Alfred Morris fumble a quick toss early in a game, immediately sucking momentum. I saw the same thing on our first play from scrimmage in 2013....an ominous beginning to the season. I've seen RGIII seemingly grasp the concept of check-downs, lookaways and progressions. I've seen RGIII continue to depend more on his physical skills than on his mental skills....while he needs to continue to learn to trust his mental ones. He's not stupid.....he's just (I think) used to such great success solely relying on the physical side of his game. I've seen more physical play overall.....and have seen players running to the ball and putting in the effort needed to succeed. I've seen DeSean Jackson stay focused and involved in the game even though he's barely played over two weeks. I've seen DeSean Jackson spend most of each game at the head coaches side...even when he's barely played over the same two weeks. I've seen a defensive line that seems to be starting to show me something.....this, without even having our top free agent signing, Jason Hatcher, in the game. I've seen some sloppy play.....mostly by subs and all of which has taken place in the first two of four preseason games with a new head coach and new schemes on offense, defense and special teams.

I've seen a team with some talent.....that just needs some time.

 

[Fear The Spear]

Rex Grossman didn't take a snap last night. And hasn't taken a snap in 3 years.
But somehow he was able to become the best QB, on top of the 6 guys that actually did play.
Whoever this Rex guy is, we need to trade for him.
Alfred Morris & DeSean Jackson for Rex sounds pretty fair, based on these rave reviews.

 

[Dead Money]

You ever see Griffin run in a straight line? Yeah he's a freakin gazelle. You ever see him run around? Yeah...like a hyena on acid.

I'd like to see him recognize that he is not a shake and bake guy and stay in the pocket like a Kaepernick or Wilson or Newton and then take the straight road to a first down once and a while.

What he's been doing up to this point is too dangerous and leads to a greater chance of injury.

He's blessed with straight line speed not Barry Sanders like change of direction....I'd like to see him admit this by not running around with his arms (and the ball) flailing all over the place.

 

[GSF]

I thought he looked more like an octopus ice skating...

I agree RG3 made some nice reads and throws. I do think he is going to get much better in those areas. The problem is though the combination of the o line being very weak at times against the pass rush, and Rg3's "knack for taking big hits. Makes me wonder if Cousins winds up playing more games than RG3 until those issues get resolved.

 

[MikeSr619]

I think he was scared to just "take off" last night, too. I think that is why he stumbled on that last scramble and had that horrible slide. He wants to run but he has been hearing the coaches and critics talk about him NOT doing that so he hesitated and it made him look silly.

 

[Fear The Spear]

..I'd like to see him admit this by not running around with his arms (and the ball) flailing all over the place.

That too.
I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet.
He's running toward the sideline, and he needs to learn to not only tuck the ball in, but also shift it to the outside arm as he heads toward the sideline

 

[Special K]

Was necessarily directed at anyone in particular. Just that listening to the radio this morning and reading messageboards today, you'd think the season is already over for this team and RG3 is a bust. I'm not ready to declare any of that. There is some cause for concern, but not enough to make me think RG3 or this team is capable of producing this year.

P.S. Go Tigers!

Ok, gotcha now. Yeah, I think it's a universal truth that the most vocal people calling in to shows and pouring out their despair on message boards tend to be total Debbie Downers.

Glad to see a fellow TU alum around here...go Tigers!!!

 

[LoyalSkinsFan]

Seriously, gang........I keep forgetting we have Jason Hatcher now. Kerrigan and Rak seem like a pretty intimidating pair of bookends. Load in Murphy, the NCAA sack leader, and I think that's some pretty decent pass rush potential.

Now.....add Hatcher. A healthy, stronger Hatcher.

Holy crap.

I'm looking forward to this season....no doubt.

 

[micks113]

To the poster that said If I saw Griffins pocket passes....yes and he had initial success. But what I was looking at was Griffin's mechanics. I saw him throw off the back foot and low somewhat sidearm to effect a quick release. Then I heard on the radio he was holding onto the ball too long. Well I would like to see him come through with the pass over the top motion like he did in 2012 and his comp % was off the charts. Besides not liking that in the pocket, I also don't want him breaking the pocket only to run. I want him to use his mobility to escape the pocket but extend the play and make the completion. Instead, I'm seeing him throw "from the hip" and breaking the pocket to run.

Even Jon Gruden pointed out that you don't flip a switch and become a pocket passer and Griffen has lot to learn. Well guess what, he's told his brother that too!

Now on to the "we are the worst division team" comment. Once again, Jon Gruden pointed it out on the broadcast that we were last in 5 of 6 years. Don't tell me my comments are over the top. Look, its going to be boom or bust with this team as the division is wide open to win with all four teams nothing special. We will win or be in last, I don't have a problem with that mentality. There is no country for second place. But until this team gets out of the cellar from being one of the worst scoring teams in the first quarter, we won't compete very well. We need to stop with the turnovers and score on the first drive, play while leading. I don't want to see last years team all over again deja vu.

 

[Boone]

We're only 1 season away from a dominating end of the year run against our division opponents and an NFC Championship. There will be some growing pains with a new offense. But we are absolutely loaded at skill positions. If the OL can be even average, we are going to put a ton of points on the board.

We're putting way too much stock in last season. My opinion.

 

[micks113]

Yes, its extremely difficult to determine what we've got and how we'll do. We went from one extreme in 2012, the highest of highs (for this team), then to the lowest of lows in 2013. Our first drive Mon looked just like our team from 2013, move the ball well, then make stupid mistakes to kill the drive.

Once again I don't want to bash the coaches on the play calling, as its rediculous in preseason, but I will point out one thing on the goal line stand. And it validates entirely what Boone is alluding to about the line. I watched the game again last night and saw the line get stood up on those plays. All the goal line running plays. That to me was a breakdown in coaching and execution. On the goal line the offense has the advantage with knowing the snap, and the line should stay low and get under the defense and drive them back. Well we just got stood up and pushed back. That is a serious problem that will derail our offense. Coaching should fix it. Practice should fix it, but if they are'nt talented enough, then we can't run those particular plays. Somethings got to give.