DRAFT DAY (3)

[Win4us]

I had a gay ol time today!

Wiiiiiiillllmmmmaaa!!!!!

 

[Cycleans]

You mean the padded stats where he was throwing the ball 25 times in the 4th quarter because we were losing?

Cousins fared no better playing under the same circumstances....We can agree to disagree you might even be right. It's just way to early to draw a conclusion. I'm pretty excited though and feel Griffin will lead the team to another division title this season,

 

[Elephant]

Cousins fared no better playing under the same circumstances....We can agree to disagree you might even be right. It's just way to early to draw a conclusion. I'm pretty excited though and feel Griffin will lead the team to another division title this season,

Cousins isn't the QB Griffin is. I am not fool enough to believe that. But if you really think we have improved enough to win a division title again, I don't know what to say but I disagree. I think our division is weak, but unless 7-9 is good enough to win division we won't win it. And if we do go 7-9, I will be happy with that since it will be an vast improvement. In year 2 of Gruden's tenure I expect Division title, but we have a lot to overcome to go out and win it this year.

You mentioned with a wobbly knee he was still as good as average in the NFL...and my point all along is that the cost we paid, average is a failure, regardless of the injury. It was his all out, reckless style of play that had me up in arms about a trade...envisioning exactly what I saw against Seattle just 50 feet away from me. If his style of play does not change, we will see him clutching Trent Williams in agony, once again.



I am simply tired of the B&G colored glasses too many Redskins' fans wear. There is nothing wrong with criticism, it doesn't make you less a fan. Overall thoughts coming from the draft are a solid B. We addressed the biggest weakness on the team in my mind, the right side of our OL with 2 players who should be able to compete for the starting role out of the gate...and the kid Murphy from Stanford is growing on me.

 

[Snydershrugged]

And the draft day, glass half empty, Debbie downer, wet blanket, curmudgeon award goes too...


Find out, after these messages.











Sorry, trying to lighten it up a Lil.

 

[fansince62]

Cousins fared no better playing under the same circumstances....We can agree to disagree you might even be right. It's just way to early to draw a conclusion. I'm pretty excited though and feel Griffin will lead the team to another division title this season,

I like your positive thinking.

But need some detail. You're making a claim...in fact...a lot of folks have. I understand part of the dynamic. In truth, after looking at what we did Friday/Sat...I feel a bit better about it every day. It's all on paper at the moment....but I think we did nicely on 3-4 picks and depth. That said, given history....I also fall in line with the camp that thinks feeling great is wonderful...but we've been yo yo'd so many times it's smart to be prudent and see how this plays out.

A division championship is a pretty tall claim. The comparison to 2012, in my mind, is invalid for several reasons: new coaching staff, new scheme, player turn-over, etc. More directly, on what basis is the claim being made? Absolutely, we have gotten better. But what is the argument that we have gotten better than the Iggles or that the Gints...who have also engineered a major rebuild to complement their SB-winning QB....haven't improved even more? "We have gotten better" is one half of the analysis. The other half is "How has the competition changed?"

I like what we're doing. It's actually pretty conformist if you think about it. What I don't know is if we're doing it better than all the other teams in a draft where 20% of the selections were CBs/Safeties and almost another 20% were o-linemen. We didn't draft any d-linemen. Other teams certainly did as part of the evolving strategy (i.e., do what Seattle did) to shut down passing games. Getting back to point: feeling good is one thing. Having measures and a framework for making claims is another. Given history with our Skins...feeling good is something we should take advantage of when the few opportunities (looking at it from a 20+ year perspective) arise. I like this draft after initial concerns. But knowing good is more important. We have been ste up and knocked down enough.

that's my $0.02. hope those who attended events at Fedex had a blast: good food, good bourbon, good friends.

 

[tshile]

The basis is that Griffin is health now and was not healthy last year.

Dude couldn't throw the ball opening day last year. He sailed his passes non stop.

Unless we're expecting that to be the norm for him, we're significantly improved regardless of who we add. If Jackson, Hatcher, Clark, and these draft picks wind up being improvements then we'll be even more improved.

Wining the division isn't and shouldn't be a ridiculous feat for this team.

 

[tshile]

Gruden on TE Bolser
"... he runs down the field on kick off like a... a... war daddy"

rofl

 

[DieselPwr44]

And the draft day, glass half empty, Debbie downer, wet blanket, curmudgeon award goes too...


Find out, after these messages.











Sorry, trying to lighten it up a Lil.

I got my popcorn ready because that will be one hell of a tight race between El and Ryman!

We go out and address the Oline and just because it's not some posters draft man crush, they're deemed a failure before they've even played one down.

As far as Griff goes....doesn't anyone here think we should give Gruden a chance to coach him first before we run him out of town on a rail?

And the comment about " regardless of injury" is over the top nonsense that belongs on the team's " official" message board or cowboyszone for that matter.

We now return you to your regular handwringing.....

 

[McD5]

The Lake Show

 

[tshile]

1st in the big 12 in yards after contact

i like that

 

[Boone]

The one thing everyone dissecting draft moves and either lauding or criticizing them has in common? No one really knows which teams knocked it out of the park and which ones didn't. We all pay 'lip service' to this, but when it comes to our OWN assessments, it doesn't seem to apply because we're convinced that the old axiom of wait of see doesn't apply to our own perspective.

So of course we all love to put our take out there, which is what we're supposed to do. But lets be serious - none of us really know whether we picked up the steal of the draft, a future hall of famer, or a guy who'll be out of the league in 3 years. We just don't. And that's part of the fun in all this. But this isn't a 'homeristic' site (anymore than any fan site devoted to one team is by definition). And the fact that folks sometime bemoan not being able to give an opinion without being lambasted, pretty much demonstrates we have all kinds of opinions here.

On the 2014 draft, I thought it was an solid effort. I would probably agree with Elephant's 'B' grade, maybe up it to a 'B+'. We filled needs early, and as Bulldog mentioned, with the exception of the 7th round which was a little bewildering, I think we added some real talent. I particularly liked the first trade back and that we did it while still getting the UVA OL we coveted there. Loved the RB pick as although it wasn't a need, we got a very talented back in a place where he shouldn't have been available. And I love that the kind of players we drafted all seem to be 'hard-nosed' overachieving blue collar team types for the most part. Sometimes, that's the quality that we don't pay enough attention to (**cough - Fred Davis - cough**).

 

[Elephant]

I got my popcorn ready because that will be one hell of a tight race between El and Ryman!

We go out and address the Oline and just because it's not some posters draft man rush, they're deemed a failure before they've even played one down.

As far as Griff goes....doesn't anyone here think we should give Gruden a chance to coach him first before we run him out of town on a rail?

And the comment about " regardless of injury" is over the top nonsense that belongs on the team's " official" message board or cowboyszone for that matter.

We now return you to your regular handwringing.....

Quit putting words in my mouth!!! I did not say either OL pick was going to be a failure! In fact, I expressed satisfaction we've addressed the position. Would I have liked a 1st round pick to address either position on the right side of our OL? YES! But we spent that on an oft injured QB...or maybe a big play receiver, however you'd like to look at it.

I have repeatedly said I gave this draft a solid B. We addressed the right side of the OL with a couple of 3rd round picks that should compete if not win starting positions. I applaud that! I said I like the Murphy kid even though at first I scratched my head at the OLB pick with our 1st pick of the draft...like everyone else who was in chat during the process. I said I like the apparent value we got in the 4th round with the CB we took. Depth and possible starters all 4 of them. Not a fan of the RB pick, but OK...he's fast and you never know, I have come to accept that.

What I did say and was adamant about was that I didn't like the WR and the trade down in the 6th and all of a sudden, I am a curmudgeon.

Unbiased criticism Boone?

We got into a side discussion about Griffin...I maintain that I was not and still am not happy that our QB is Robert Griffin III with the price we paid for him. He plays with reckless abandon with one goal in mind...his success. While I believe it is his desire for the team to win, nothing has shaken my claim from the time the discussion about trading for him picked up...he will get crushed in this league playing the way he dos. So far, he's helped this team win a division title with a gimmick offense and sucked ass in his 2nd year, bad enough he was benched. It doesn't matter why...it is simply a fact.

If you're going to criticize me, at least criticize what I actually said and don't put words in my mouth!

 

[Boone]

No one's criticizing you Brian, just relax brother. The only thing I was responding to in the Griffin sidebar is that you claimed your original concern with the RG3 pick was related to him not being durable enough to last - and I was only commenting that I don't remember your opposition including that, only that you felt we way overpaid for him. If I'm wrong about that, I'm wrong. It's all good.

 

[DieselPwr44]

El...love ya brother and you are more than welcomed to your opinion.

So let's do it this way.....say we go back and never make the trade for Griffin.

Are you going to sit there and say you'd be happy picking from this year's Qb class? Last year's?

It seems to me that you are of the opinion that Griff can never learn/ adapt/ change his ways. If I'm wrong on that,hey by all means,set me straight.

I just don't buy into the notion that Robert will always play "wreck less" like you say.

Just agree to disagree I guess....

 

[tshile]

My final take on the draft...

These guys had a plan and drafted guys they wanted that have the skill sets they wanted; some of those are not measurable or easily assigned a value. That's the way I think you're supposed to draft.

Now to find out whether or not it's a good plan.

 

[tshile]

ESPN 980 - WASHINGTON D.C.

 

[fansince62]

The basis is that Griffin is health now and was not healthy last year.

Dude couldn't throw the ball opening day last year. He sailed his passes non stop.

Unless we're expecting that to be the norm for him, we're significantly improved regardless of who we add. If Jackson, Hatcher, Clark, and these draft picks wind up being improvements then we'll be even more improved.

Wining the division isn't and shouldn't be a ridiculous feat for this team.

there's nothing in this response that speaks to the competition - the point I'm making.

let me put it in a context you know well: when deciding how to build a security architecture for a network...it aint enough to know your vulnerabilities. to spend your money wisely and improve things...you have to know the threats as well. outcomes (in football) are based on two things (basically): how good you are; how good they are.

in all the hopeful shout-outs vis division championships...I haven't seen one assessment of the competition (other than a summary comment or two vis the cow-turds). Relook that sked of ours....it's tough. The very first game isn't going to be the push-over some seem to think it will be. I'm hoping like H the Texans do not find a viable QB solution...that Fitzpatrick is slow on the uptake (Savage is a down-stream option). cuz that team does have some serious talent.

don't get me wrong: take just ons aspect of our offense...Robert..Alfred...Pierre...DeSean...Reed...Roberts/Santanna/Tulane guy in the slot....."Lake" for change of pace.....holy smokes BatMan...that's some serious eff'n firepower!!!! but other teams have firepower and good defenses also. like or not...the Iggles are a good team. the Gints are a well run org that has won 2 SBs in the last 7 years - during which time we did what?

colloquially expressed: you gotta play the games first.

 

[fansince62]

El...love ya brother and you are more than welcomed to your opinion.

So let's do it this way.....say we go back and never make the trade for Griffin.

Are you going to sit there and say you'd be happy picking from this year's Qb class? Last year's?

It seems to me that you are of the opinion that Griff can never learn/ adapt/ change his ways. If I'm wrong on that,hey by all means,set me straight.

I just don't buy into the notion that Robert will always play "wreck less" like you say.

Just agree to disagree I guess....

there's a problem with your argument....and I am an RGIII homer. since you're playing hypotheticals: would we be better off had we managed a trade for Luck?

 

[TomE]

there's a problem with your argument....and I am an RGIII homer. since you're playing hypotheticals: would we be better off had we managed a trade for Luck?

Might have also stood pat and picked up both Wilson and Cousins.

 

[Elephant]

El...love ya brother and you are more than welcomed to your opinion.

So let's do it this way.....say we go back and never make the trade for Griffin.

Are you going to sit there and say you'd be happy picking from this year's Qb class? Last year's?

It seems to me that you are of the opinion that Griff can never learn/ adapt/ change his ways. If I'm wrong on that,hey all means,set me straight.

I just don't buy into the notion that Robert will always play "wreck less" like you say.

Just agree to disagree I guess....

I would be happy having put together a dominant OL. With all 4 of the picks spent on Griffin...3 1st's and a 2nd. I still shake my head when I see that.

Look how San Fran built their team. I would say that is a huge success. They have been one of the best teams in football for 3 years running now with only modest play from Alex Smith and Colin Krappernick. Even Seattle went about building a great defense and solid OL before they plugged a QB there who simply had to guide the ship. I am a firm believer that if Griffin was on either of those 2 teams, they could 3peat. He'd have the supporting cast and not need to play so recklessly.

I like a lot about Griffin, I think he can bring this team more excitement. I simply don't think he's going to last more than 4-5 years in this league unless he dramatically changes the way he plays with such abandon. I still see the Ngata injury and think to myself, you could have slid...even last year after the injury I remember laughing with others in chat at how he tried to slide.

Look, some teams have been built around a QB and others have had QB's to plug in and win. After Vinny left, the last thing we should have done is give away any draft picks...but we gave away a lot of them for players that are high risk. When I gamble, I like to bet on something that is a lot more certain the whether or not Griffin will last long in the NFL without a strong supporting cast. He would have been better served going to a team ready to compete than to a team that has finished 6th worst or worse in the league 3 times over the previous 4 years.

If we can hit on 65% of our draft picks taken over the 1st 4 rounds in the next 2 dratfs, we're in good shape to be more than solid. What I like most about where we're headed is a solid run game built on big bodies clearing space. Some of the most successful teams in the league over the last 3 years, Seattle, the Ravens and the 49ers depended on strong defenses and grinding run games. If that is what Gruden plans to do, mixing in the ability to use some of griffin's physical talent, we may have something to get excited about. I just don't see this draft class or FA being anything other than a step to success, not the catapult to championship! And unless we get Griffin the bodies up front to help him not get abused, which hopefully got addressed in part by Moses and/or Spencer, he will put the world on his shoulders again and likely end up hurt. That's my concern with him. Not that he's a bad QB...he's injury prone and we paid a lot for that.