Lanky Livingston
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I wouldn't describe either of those guys as "super quiet."
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I wouldn't describe either of those guys as "super quiet."
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OK, let me rephrase this then...
Lanky, if you are willing to eliminate a coach from contention due to his lack of fire on the sidelines or because he's "super quiet", then I promise I will never put you in charge of a football team where you would have the option to choose the next coach.
fansince62
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hmmmm...the longer this drags out....the more it seems they had already settled way back when on who they really wanted. the scenario then becomes interview for any surprises and interview to see how the league views the Skins strengths/weaknesses and fixes while waiting for "their guy". I find it hard to believe...given that they made overtures to the Stanford coach a while back....that the brain trust hadn't already conducted a preliminary search to identify and rank order at least the top five candidates. my guess is they already have a pretty good idea. part of the risk assessment is judging whether "their guy" wants to come to DC and probability of being signed by a competing team.
Lanky Livingston
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Lack of fire on the sidelines? Please point out where I said that. That's not what I said at all. I said being super quiet doesn't necessarily mean a coach can't command attention or be assertive, as Tom Coughlin and Bill Belichick certainly prove (if one considers them "super quiet"). What I said was (if you're actually interested in that, not just your interpretation and projection) if someone is described as super quiet, I'd be extra meticulous in the interview process. That's all.
fansince62
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nice that Robert is comparatively quiet during all of this - not, at least on the surface, trying to influence the outcome.
fansince62
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but not so if they are super alpha male? I fail to see how that changes the due diligence requirements for hiring any coach. one would think being thorough in all instances would be a priority. different strokes I guess.
Lanky Livingston
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Well there's a general bar you want to meet with every coaching candidate, for sure.
tshile
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there are multiple options to explain this. not sure which is right... not all of them are good...
- due diligence
- fighting a PR battle over the perceived way of doing business (implying that it's business as usual, with just a smarter public facade to it)
- maybe people don't want to coach here? ie: 2008 off season all over again.
I imagine the end of the year conversation went something like this:
Allen - " Hey Robert, get the **** out of here for 3 months. Go enjoy a beach where it's warm. Come back ready to work with a new coach."
fansince62
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and, maybe, they actually know what they are doing!!!
i think it's not only these 3, but to expand on the first, they want a guy who WANTS to be here, not just a guy who wants this to be a stepping stone. It's no secret that very many coaches struggle in their first stint as a head coach, and we don't want a guy who wants head coach money to gain experience. Get the guy who wants to be the Head Coach of the Washington Redskins, not the guy who just wants the title, Head Coach.
I hope this happened.... Clean slate in 14'
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I agree - but I think if we are to take Bruce at his word (which may not always be great, because I think he is definitely a politician in ways - which will hopefully be largely be good for the Redskins) - they are also specifically looking for someone who has a vision for how to get the Redskins where they want to be. A vision that has a notion of a timeline.
One thing that I thought was very telling in Bruce's press conference was that he specifically said that time was valuable. I think now that they have cleared some of the broken salary stuff off, and they are writing better contracts... if they evaluate talent effectively and continue to write better contracts, if they draft more players (which generally leads to more favorable cost/benefit), they can turn things around fairly quickly. I think they know they can turn around quickly (although I don't think the comparisons with the Chiefs are completely fair, I think our defense is in worse shape than theirs was, and our offense may be slightly better).
As I've said before, this is definitely going to be one of the more interesting offseasons. With no Cerrato, I don't feel that failure is a guarantee. With Snyder, I don't feel long-term, sustained success is highly probable. But, I do feel that hope for marked improvement is still on the table.
tshile
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I just realized I said none of those options are good. Due diligence is a good option and includes knowing what they're doing, etc.
Didn't mean to imply/say otherwise. My bad!
Didn't mean to imply/say otherwise. My bad!
Bulldog
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That's where we took Zorn 
tshile
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That's where we took Zorn
Zorn was a culmination of a few things:
- Waiting for Spagnola to become available, only to have him tell us no
- Hiring an OC before a HC and expecting HC candidates to be ok with that. We did that, btw, by picking a guy that's never been an OC and most people had never heard of before
- The air around Redskins park being so contaminated no one wanted to come here. Gibbs leaving left this idea that Snyder was back in charge ruining everything again. That without Gibbs we were doomed.
- Gibbs retiring unexpectedly early
Other than Spagnola our leading candidate group consisted of Jim Fassel.
Vinny and Snyder screwed that coaching search up from the jump.
Comparing now to then isn't fair nor is it close.
The results may be the same in the end, hopefully not, but right now is significantly different than what led to Zorn being hired.
Bulldog
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The real problem was we had Gregg Williams as the coach in waiting but Joe Gibbs decided not to formally endorse him and he didn't get along with Snyder in his interview.
So, we were left with no succession plan.
So, we were left with no succession plan.
Lanky Livingston
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My theory is that Gibbs caught wind of bountygate, and suggested Snyder move on from Williams.
tshile
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I may be making this up, but I seem to remember the rumors at the time were that Williams walked into the meeting and said Jason Campbell was a coach killer and needed to be gone, and Gibbs liked Campbell so Snyder chose the QB over Williams?
Bulldog
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Gibbs did not bad mouth Williams, but what he did not do was endorse him to Snyder despite being his DC and Asst Head Coach for 4 years.
That is strange to me.
When Dungy left Indy his Asst Head Coach got his endorsement and was hired.
If a coach leaves on good terms it is a bit odd that his previous staff pick gets jettisoned.
That is strange to me.
When Dungy left Indy his Asst Head Coach got his endorsement and was hired.
If a coach leaves on good terms it is a bit odd that his previous staff pick gets jettisoned.
tshile
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Gibbs was interviewed by a Detroit paper about weisenhunt (sp?) and said awesome things about him.
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