The Peyton Manning discussion

Interesting stuff in Colts-land yesterday:

Two days after Peyton Manning publicly complained about the dour atmosphere at team headquarters following a 2-14 season and a rash of firings, Colts owner Jim Irsay introduced his new head coach and then stunned everyone by calling his franchise player a "politician" who had decided to air dirty laundry.

"I don't think it's in the best interest to paint the horseshoe in a negative light, I really don't," Irsay told reporters, referring to the team's longtime logo. "The horseshoe always comes first, and I think one thing he's always known, because he's been around it so long, is that, you know, you keep it in the family. If you've got a problem you talk to each other, it's not about campaigning or anything like that."

The comments suggest there is a rift between Manning and Irsay, who is just six weeks from a deadline to pay the four-time league MVP a $28 million bonus or risk losing him as a free agent. And it all blew up in public on a day the team desperately wanted attention focused on Chuck Pagano, the Ravens' defensive coordinator who takes over as head coach with a host of problems to address.

The biggest question mark is Manning, the face of the franchise and the primary reason for its run of success over the past decade. He is clearly upset with the fallout of the Colts' dismal season in which he never played a down after Sept. 8 neck surgery -- his third such procedure in a span of 19 months.

In the past three weeks, the Colts have fired vice chairman Bill Polian and general manager Chris Polian, coach Jim Caldwell and most of Caldwell's assistants. Irsay hired 39-year-old Ryan Grigson as the new general manager and on Wednesday chose Pagano as Caldwell's replacement.

Last week, actor Rob Lowe caused a media frenzy by writing on Twitter that Manning was about to retire. The story got so much attention that even Pagano, who was preparing for the Ravens' AFC championship game against New England, apparently took notice.

"You know, I've got a text or a call out to Rob Lowe and I haven't heard back yet, so I'm going to have to get back to you on that one," Pagano said when asked if he expected to be coaching Manning next season.

Nice line by Pagano.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...say-upset-peyton-manning-went-public-comments
 
When a guy has carried your franchise for years, class and loyalty should be the order of the day. Unfortunately this is starting to smell a bit like Landry/Jerruh in Dallass. It seems the Dolts want Manning to retire rather than having to choose whether to cut him or pay him. Personally I hope Manning refuses to retire just to give Irsay a good case of heartburn.
 
OMG - Type in Peyton Manning into Google and the FIRST word that comes up next to his name is REDSKINS !!!

Interesting-when I tried it on my laptop the word Redskins came up number 5 on the list. Whatever, it doesn't really matter.

What I did come across, however, was an interesting article comparing Matt Flynn and Peyton as FA options at QB that seemed to give an acceptable case for the Redskins grabbing Peyton for a short stay.

As a mentor to a fresh rookie.

Peyton Manning Trade Rumors: Colts Star Better Fit for Redskins Than Matt Flynn
By Michael Dixon (Featured Columnist)

Mike Shanahan is one big-name quarterback away from being fresh out of excuses. Fortunately for him, that player may well be on his way to Washington.

While it doesn't have the same kind of backing as a tweet from Rob Lowe, there are reports out there suggesting that the Redskins are interested in Peyton Manning.

Chris Burke of Sports Illustrated tweeted that the Redskins are indeed interested in bringing Manning, not Packers quarterback Matt Flynn, to town.


Flynn has one thing working in his favor. That is, his age. However, for the Redskins, that is an advantage to Manning.

I know, this looks like a terribly unfair argument. Manning has been a starter since 1998, while Flynn has two career starts. Even so, that is actually the point, and also why Manning's age works for him.

Flynn is a young player. He would have to be the only option, at least for a few years. Manning is a more reliable player, which we only know from experience. While he has missed the last season, there's no realistic doubt that Manning can step in and be a strong player.

With Manning, the Redskins could also look for a young quarterback in the draft. They could take a quarterback in the later rounds to be groomed for a season or two. Remember, Flynn himself was a seventh-round pick. It is not even inconceivable that the Redskins could take Robert Griffin III in the draft and groom him under Manning.

Those who would take Flynn over Manning at this point have one game against a bad defense to base their point on. I don't care if you are opposing some fierce hybrid of the 1985 Bears and 2000 Ravens; one game is not enough of an argument to use against Peyton Manning. The 2011 Lions were not that defense.

For a team that will be looking to groom a young quarterback, a man like Manning is a fantastic option. He is not a long-term option anymore, but we're looking at the short term.


With Flynn, you have no choice but to devote a few seasons to him. Ordinarily, that would be fine. However, if you're going to make a commitment to a quarterback, you ideally want more than two starts to base your opinion on. While they may have been strong games, you can't overlook the fact that Flynn has only two starts.

Manning works for the Redskins because their division is not a particularly daunting one. While I know that the Giants are in the NFC Championship Game, I am also all too aware that they were a 9-7 team this year.

Nothing about any team in that division suggests that the Redskins can't compete as long as they get a quarterback. With the duo of Rex Grossman and John Beck, the Redskins aren't going to be anything better than about 6-10. With a player like Manning running the show, that can easily be inverted.

Manning gives Washington the best chance at short-term success, but can also be a good mentor for a younger quarterback. The fact that they are interested in Manning and not Flynn shows that someone in Washington knows what he is doing.

Article link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1030954-peyton-manning-trade-rumors-colts-star-better-fit-for-redskins-than-matt-flynn

Interesting idea and it makes sense because Peyton would obviously not interfere with the Redskins drafting whoever else they may have in mind at QB, BG3, Tannehill, Weeden, even Luck or whoever else might percolate to the top of the "rookie QB we want groomed as the Redskins QOTF".

And Peyton wouldn't be a terrible choice to groom a new rookie QB, I wouldn't think.

Besides, it looks like Kyle S. is open to the idea as well.
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Redskins' Kyle Shanahan Not Concerned With Peyton Manning's Age
Jan
27
2:30p
by James Brady

READ MORE: Peyton Manning (QB - IND), Indianapolis Colts, Washington Redskins

Among the teams expected to be interested in acquiring the services of Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning is the Washington Redskins. Naturally, with an owner like Daniel Snyder, you can really apply the "interested" label to any big-name free agent in just about any offseason, but this is essentially on a whole different level of intrigue, given Manning's ability and history in this league.

Daniel Shiferaw of SB Nation DC tweeted something that is lending credibility to the potential interest in Manning:

Kyle Shanahan on Peyton Manning to @ESPNRadio980 : "If he's healthy, age is not an issue." #Redskins

It's somewhat of an odd statement, given that health is generally dependent on age in many ways, but it does imply that the Redskins are interested in Manning. Kyle Shanahan is the offensive coordinator of the Redskins and, while it's not likely that he has a lot of power in regards to choosing whether or not the team goes after Manning, the fact that he could be on board (again, providing Manning does get healthy) certainly would make Snyder feel better about pursuing the Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

Article link:http://indiana.sbnation.com/indianapolis-colts/2012/1/27/2752855/peyton-manning-injury-contract-washington-redskins

I'm not saying "Yeah this is exactly what we should do." in any cut-in-stone sense but it does present an option to be kept under consideration as we examine what the Redskins should be doing about the QB situation. It's just too early, IMO, to jump on only one choice as the best option. There's the FA shakeout and the combine to come and many factors are going to be changing and keeping options open until I know more is my preferred stance.
 
If the last 12 years under Daniel Snyder have taught us anything it is that we can no longer afford to buy into this ****! Peyton Manning was at one time the best QB in the game. He will go down as one of the best in the history of the game. But he just sat out a complete season of his career because of a neck injury that just won't heal the way it was supposed to.

You talk about risk v. reward? If they want to bring him in as a QB coach, sure! His productive years are likely over and he should probably just retire.

I know what it's like to have the injury he does, it's not fun! He hasn't been able to fully recover and people are still talking like he is going to return to his former glory when he hasn't even been able to participate in full speed practice in over a year.
 
I strongly doubt a guy coming off a neck injury severe enough to have to go through 3 surgeries in less than a year is gonna come to a team with what might be the worst Oline in the NFL, even if he did, would he be effective or would he be rushing an already quick release?
 
We only have the worst Oline in the league when John Beck is under center.......
 
I strongly doubt a guy coming off a neck injury severe enough to have to go through 3 surgeries in less than a year is gonna come to a team with what might be the worst Oline in the NFL, even if he did, would he be effective or would he be rushing an already quick release?

How can you possibly be so hard on an O-line that was so decimated by injuries. You simply don't know the true potential of this line, and surely don't have enough evidence to support it being the worst.
 
I don't really think the O-line was that bad either. I will say we need to upgrade at Right Tackle. When your starter goes down and you replace him with someone from off the street and you don't really see a difference that means you have to upgrade your starter and your depth at that position. If we don't get a free agent the draft is filled with tons of guys with a first or second round grade that could fill that spot for the next 10 years. I would certainly bring in a guy or two compete for spots on the interior but I don't think it is as bad as some of us think.

In my opinion, I very seriously doubt that Peyton is coming to DC. It doesn't really have anything to do with our O-line. Indie O-line has been dreadful for years. A great QB can make a below average O-line look serviceable. It has to do with our Coach. He is a control freak and so is Junior. Peyton is also a control freak. Plus I think we are on our way but why would one of the best QBs of all time come here instead of go to a team that is a QB away from being in the Superbowl? 49ers, Dolphins or even Arizona would be much more attractive to him than us.
 
I strongly doubt a guy coming off a neck injury severe enough to have to go through 3 surgeries in less than a year is gonna come to a team with what might be the worst Oline in the NFL, even if he did, would he be effective or would he be rushing an already quick release?

We only have the worst Oline in the league when John Beck is under center.......

If our O-line was really the worst in the league - we would not have had 2 rookies rush for so many yards each, including one rookie set a franchise record for rookie rushing

Our OL is actually middle of the pack, not worst in the league. Terrible QB play made it look much worse than it actually was.
 
This from todays Monday Morning Quarterback column by Peter King:

The other day, Manning family friend Gil Brandt, the longtime NFL personnel guru, was dubious about Manning's future when he appeared on my podcast. "My gut feeling,'' said Brandt, "is that we've probably seen the last of Peyton.''

Strong statement, and he wouldn't have said it unless he felt pretty good about it. Now, he did follow that by saying he doesn't think anyone knows the answer to the question for sure ... yet. We've all got to wait.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/01/30/superbowl/index.html#ixzz1kxPvvFa2
 
If we haven't seen the last of Manning I strongly suspect that wherever he lands, the results might be similar to what happened to Brad Johnson's game after his neck injury, i.e. he won't be able to make all the throws and his game will become mostly about dump offs, swing passes and other underneath stuff.
 
alot of people are saying get him to mentor a young QB , but what it looks like no of his back ups learned a dam thing cause they where horrible as back up ! either that or they where plain out sorry ass QB's ....just a thought !
 
If we haven't seen the last of Manning I strongly suspect that wherever he lands, the results might be similar to what happened to Brad Johnson's game after his neck injury, i.e. he won't be able to make all the throws and his game will become mostly about dump offs, swing passes and other underneath stuff.

I think if Peyton's game isn't close to 100% then he will retire.
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I think if Peyton's game isn't close to 100% then he will retire.
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Just saw a report that Peyton said he will be playing somewhere next year. I hope he strongly reconsiders this. Only he knows his ability, but I hope he does not make decisions based on the thoughts of an old competitor who doesn't know when to give it up.
 
If he decides to come back that means he is 100% and he makes where ever he goes an instant Superbowl contender.
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