Who's really to blame for gas prices? (a rant)

[Nobody]

Are you really saying that Bangladesh and the United States are comparable? If you want to play potayto and potahto, we can do so.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22917.html

Look at this list and compare it to the list you provided. Can you provide a comprehensive and detailed list of what Monaco provides to the world?

You're missing my point completely, and the things you keep bringing up are irrelevant to what was being debated. I think something was lost in translation, so I'm going to start from the beginning.

This all started over a statement being made that the reason so many companies were leaving the United States to do business elsewhere, was because we had high corporate tax rates, and they were going to other countries to take advantage of the corporate tax breaks. My argument was that this was not the case, and they were leaving the United States because of our crippling regulations and refusal by Democrats to reform Tort Law.

I did my research, because I knew that the basis of them leaving for tax reasons wasn't accurate, and I found a list of 6 countries that American companies have picked up and moved to, which I listed earlier in this thread.

I then researched what their corporate tax rates were, and found they were all higher than that of the United States, so I posted those results as well.

You came into the debate later on, and took it a completely different route, or missed something entirely, and went off on a tangent about the United States having the highest CTR in the world, and inadvertently proved my point with the link you posted.

The problem is, it didn't back your story up, it just stated that the United States has the highest CTR among highly developed and industrialized nations that make up a members only group of nations that meet the qualifications.

You then turned around and added in after the fact that we had the highest CTR among industrialized nations, which is where you veered off into a completely different topic.

You then imply that I'm trying to say Bangladesh and the United States are similar, which I never did or attempted to do, to which you responded with more evidence to an argument that only you are trying to make.

The point I was making is that these companies are not leaving for tax reasons, because they are going to countries with higher CTR's than the United States. The evidence I provided backs that up.

The evidence you provided is arguing a totally different point about CTR's, because the evidence you are providing is about countries that have not taken business away from us, so they are irrelevant to the topic that was being discussed.

All that being said, you are arguing a point I am not trying to argue with, because everything you have stated is true. It just has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

If you have evidence showing that U.S. companies are leaving to go to countries that have lower CTR's, then post that. Good luck though, because it doesn't exist. Like I said, something got lost in translation, because you're arguing a completely different topic. It's like trying to compare touchdowns with cheeseburgers. For the record, Mexico is the only country that is a member of the group you posted about, who also has an American company on their soil. The argument was never whether the US had the highest CTR among industrialized nations, that's just what you have been trying to turn it into.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

All I did was make a statement of fact - it was directed at no particular member or argument. I can read quite well. That statement was simplistic and straightforward.

Here is another angle - the key word is "developed".

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/the-logic-of-cutting-corporate-taxes/

As for the assertion that companies have moved to areas where there are higher tax rates - technically, that may be true. But what kind of "sweetheart" deals were made behind the scenes? I ran a successful business for nearly sixteen years and can tell you about some nice deals along the way. Hey, I didn't move to NJ because of the desire to pay higher taxes.

Just saying.

 

[Nobody]

All I did was make a statement of fact - it was directed at no particular member or argument. I can read quite well. That statement was simplistic and straightforward.

Here is another angle - the key word is "developed".

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/the-logic-of-cutting-corporate-taxes/

You're still completely missing my point, but that's cool. I never doubted your facts, I just said bringing something unrelated into the debate that was going on makes no sense.

If someone is arguing about who's a better quarterback, you don't go up and tell them Jupiter is the largest planet, then list facts of why.

 

[fansince62]

depends on how you look at the data. once you venture into effective tax rates you are beholden to normalize the data for overseas taxes as well.....and where's the source for that?


http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/22917.html

 

[stevenaa]

Environmentalists who refuse to let us provide for ourselves with the shortsighted notion that there is a current viable replacement for fossil fuels. Higher prices aren't going force a conversion. They will sink the economy to the point where it may not be possible to innovate and come up with a viable solution.

 

[fansince62]

Environmentalists who refuse to let us provide for ourselves with the shortsighted notion that there is a current viable replacement for fossil fuels. Higher prices aren't going force a conversion. They will sink the economy to the point where it may not be possible to innovate and come up with a viable solution.

interesting take.