Who deserves more credit: Adams or Quinn?

Who deserves more credit

  • Adam Peters

    Votes: 12 80.0%
  • Dan Quin

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Total voters
    15

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I posted this on Bluesky, but thought it was a fun question. All season, we talked about how "this was likely the worst roster Jayden Daniels would ever have" and how this was an undertalented "try-hard" team whose whole was better than its parts. At the same time, Peters had a helluva draft class and turned over 60% of the roster. He brought in so many key players. So, while the easy answer is "both" I thought it would be fun to ask you which of your children do you like better. This isn't quite a chicken or the egg question, I guess it's nature vs. nurture.
 
What's fun about this (to me) is I honestly don't really know how I'd answer my own poll. I think I could easily justify answering either way and might alter my answer if asked the question twice.
 
I selected Peters. He was the man with the plan and insight throughout the front office, scouting, coaching and player building. He selected a guy like Quinn with a great rep and knew he would be able to work well with him. I understand the dilemma in selecting AP or DQ, together they made an incredible team.
 
When a team is successful, I would argue that the GM (assuming he's a REAL GM) always deserves more credit. Finding the right mix of players, coaches, scouts, front office people, it's incredibly hard to get right. That's why there are so few teams that are perennially successful for long stretches. And it's not a static challenge, talent in successful franchises is constantly being poached, so you have to have a system of finding the right people with the right qualities on an ongoing basis.

It's very early, but Adam Peters did what most thought was impossible in the first season of a massive rebuild.

I am very impressed with Dan Quinn as well. Good thing Peters chose him. :)
 
I'm still not sold. For example, I think I value Gibbs over Beathard if for no other reason than he proved during the scab season that he could win with any cast. On the other hand, Casserly (who Beathard tasked to assemble the scab team) did enough ingredients that Gibbs was able to cook.

So, the question of who is more important, the grocer or the cook is still up in the air for me. A great chef can make a wonderful meal out of dregs and leftovers. A great grocer can make it so easy that anyone can appear to be a great chef.
 
IMO Gibbs was so much better than Beathard, it wasn't even close. I'm biased but Gibbs was the greatest coach ever. The way he motivated the players has never been duplicated.

Today though, I would choose AP over Quinn. I think AP is every bit as good as Beathard, but Quinn is a few levels below Gibbs.

Now if the choice was Gibbs vs AP, then Gibbs all the way for me.
 
Bobby Beathard HIRED Joe Gibbs guys. A 'zero head coaching experience' Joe Gibbs. I'd say that was a pretty huge action he took. As the GM.
 
I'm biased but Gibbs was the greatest coach ever.
He is. Give him Marino (taken one pick ahead of us in 1983)? How many does he win then?

Right now, I give the nod to Quinn. The roster was a mess and we still have gaping holes on the roster. Peters did a fantastic job duct taping this roster, but I think Quinn and his staff won 14 total games with two real weapons on offense: Daniels and McLaurin.

That’s not really to take anything away from Peters, he could only do so much with a roster so neglected by Rivera. Quinn made the pieces fit beyond anything anyone expected.
 
Today though, I would choose AP over Quinn. I think AP is every bit as good as Beathard, but Quinn is a few levels below Gibbs.
I like that point. Quinn, as a known commodity, has proven he's a good coach. He got the Falcons to the Superbowl. He took a league worst Dallas defense and made it top five. So, he's at least good. Peters might be great. We don't know yet, but signs point that way. He's had few flubs so far.
 
Bobby Beathard HIRED Joe Gibbs guys. A 'zero head coaching experience' Joe Gibbs. I'd say that was a pretty huge action he took. As the GM.

Yes, he did but Beathard wanted the next Air Coryell. Little did he realize that Gibbs would transform his coaching philosophy to fit his players (Riggins and the Hogs).

Beathard was great but I think the ceiling is higher with AP.
 
Beathard was pretty amazing. People forget he had a history with the Dolphins before the 'skins. He actually did quite well even with San Diego.

Peters has a long way to go before we can make these comparisons. Of course, it's fun to project and day dream.
 
I'm pretty convinced that Jayden has made everyone look better. I know this is a controversial hot take but the love for KK is directly a result of his QB. If they lose him I am confident any competent OC could get similar production from a talent like Jayden Daniels. I mean it's not like KK was scheming guys wide open as we see out of Kansas City, Detroit or San Francisco.

So I guess that means it's Peters for me. It was a collective decision but he was the one to pull the trigger on the pick.
 
Beathard was pretty amazing. People forget he had a history with the Dolphins before the 'skins. He actually did quite well even with San Diego.

Peters has a long way to go before we can make these comparisons. Of course, it's fun to project and day dream.
Beathard also traded up to draft Ryan Leaf with the Changers

Proving even really great GMs can make huge mistakes.
 
My hat is off to them both.

I went with AP because this was a ground-up rebuild and one of the best moves he made was hiring Quinn. That took some vision as (I think) the view of hiring retread coaches is usually seen in a negative light. And, yes I know there are exceptions.

The fact that both men built such a good coaching staff is a credit to their shared vision, and the personnel decisions have mostly been outstanding. It seemed like every time they rolled the dice a little they hit big. No way I expected all three of the oldsters (Ertz, Wagner, Ekeler) they brought in to still play at such a high level.

From the outside looking in, it seemed this year's team was just a special bunch. Looking forward to see how they build upon this foundation.
 
So. I don’t think it’s either or. Never have. I think it’s both.

Just like the “who is better, Tom or Bill.” The answer is both.

You’re seeing that right now with the Bengals. Burrow MIGHT be the best Qb in the league. Zac Taylor might be an average coach with a great QB.

If you gave the 2016 Redskins to a competent coach, they win 12 games. Jay Gruden sub optimized everything because he’s a doofus, actively bad head coach.

In order to be a great team you need partnership between the front office and the coaching staff and both have to be excellent at their jobs.

As an aside, if we’re putting together a pie chart of who’s responsible for this season, I’d put some combination of JD5 and Kliff on it as well. JD5 was a force multiplier. He made everything else around him better. And Kliff gets credit for figuring out how to schematically unlock that potential.

I think both Quinn and Peters did outstanding jobs. If we had hired Ben Johnson, would the year have been as good? Dunno. Quinn set the standard and hired an outstanding coaching staff.

Zach Ertz came to play with Kliff. Wagner came because of Quinn.

I think this year, if I’m thinking about accomplishments, I think Peter’s biggest accomplishments were:

1. Hiring Quinn
2. Tearing down the roster and signing a bunch of complimentary pieces
3. Drafting Daniels.

Quinn’s accomplishment is taking a group of misfit toys and making them a team, setting the standard and hiring an outstanding coaching staff

The roster still isn’t great. But Quinn coached to 12 wins and an NFC championship game with an “ok” roster.

I know I’m rambling. I think it’s a tie.
 
My answer is yes. What an amazing job these guys did.
 
I read somewhere that Peters would have drafted Daniels even if we had the first pick. Daniels is the reason we won more than 5 games. We'd probably finish 5-12 or worse with Caleb Williams so I have to go with Peters.
 
I love how Adam Peters goes for it on 4th down... Never seen GM aggression like this in the Modern NFL
 
Actually, there is some new information that was put out in the last month or so that sheds new light to the coaching search. Early on, the Comms braintrust didn't say a lot about the coaching search, so reporters and logic filled in the gaps. A lot of it went like this:
- Looks like they, along with everyone else, REALLY like Ben Johnson
- Oh snap, Ben Johnson dissed them; said there were too many basketball people
--- another aspect; wide reports that coaches were being interviewed by a big group of people, and potentially included Magic along with Myers and of course Harris, who could all be viewed as "basketball guys"
- Oh boy, they seem to like Mike Macdonald but the Seahawks put together an offer MUCH faster (what was highly corroborated here was that second part; the first part about them liking a lot was mostly tea leaves)
- They end up hiring DQ

So, a lot of reporters and fans (including me) read a lot of tea leaves and came to some conclusions that maybe the hiring process wasn't great in some respects, maybe AP was not being given as much autonomy as would have been useful. Again, lots of maybes, lot of tea leaves.

More recently:
Now the reports are that AP actually did like DQ early on. There were serious culture and chemistry matches in the approach they had, and that was a key factor that AP wanted to have. Sure, this could be the team providing some useful positive cover on top of the above public statements by many reporters. However: maybe not. There is real evidence that the two of them really see eye to eye and enjoy working with each other.

So, if that is true, the answer should either be "yes" or Adam because I think there are signs he was indeed instrumental in getting DQ - and our ownership was in fact smart enough to give him that trust as well. All good things, if accurate!
 
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