What should they do with RG3

SilentThreat said:
what is the risk? If he's not gonna play QB here anymore, there is zero risk. He's not going to come out and retire due to constant migraines... the guy wants to play football. Bottom line is as soon as he's cleared we need to cut him. Plain and simple. He's already passed the physical tests, we just need the computer data to come back that he's good to go, and we're clear of that $16m hit.

The injury clause states he's only guaranteed if he cannot pass a physical March 1. I'm pretty sure he's not even at a point of failing a physical NOW since the requirements for physicals are so spotty it's not funny. Didn't someone this past offseason just fail a physical for one team, but pass one with another the next day?
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Here's what we are now asking him to do.

Come in, be honest, and sign the papers saying that you are okay. Then Rob, you have two choices:

1. Ride the bench here for at least a bit, or we may just cut you. If we do cut you, no team is going to pay you $16 million next year. Yes, we are asking you to play nice and take a huge paycut.

2. Get rich. Take the next two years off. Don't risk your health.

It's not worth the risk we just took by refusing to wait four days.

Call it what you want. Bad decision-making. Poor risk management. Both apply.


stevenaa said:
You are basing your entire risk management criteria on the chance the player will fake an injury. :doh:
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Take two years off and make $20 million. Or play this year and all of next somewhere, risk your health, and make $8 million?

It was a poor decision. We could have lessened that risk, and possible severe damage to our 2016 season by waiting four days.
 
Not gonna lie, but if you have paid attention to Griffin's behavior over the past several years, there is nothing to even remotely suggest he'd pull that. Not one thing. That's some pretty egregious character assassination you are running with, and all just to seemingly be Chicken Little. I'm honestly curious, are you just aiming to be devil's advocate about this, or are you seriously making that your position?
 
McD5 said:
Here's what we are now asking him to do.

Come in, be honest, and sign the papers saying that you are okay. Then Rob, you have two choices:

1. Ride the bench here for at least a bit, or we may just cut you. If we do cut you, no team is going to pay you $16 million next year. Yes, we are asking you to play nice and take a huge paycut.

2. Get rich. Take the next two years off. Don't risk your health.

It's not worth the risk we just took by refusing to wait four days.

Call it what you want. Bad decision-making. Poor risk management. Both apply.




Take two years off and make $20 million. Or play this year and all of next somewhere, risk your health, and make $8 million?

It was a poor decision. We could have lessened that risk, and possible severe damage to our 2016 season by waiting four days.
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I can promise you that he is not willing to sit out 2 years knowing that he's healthy, and lying about it. If there are certain things about him that he's proven, is that he's a high character guy, who cares more about playing next week, then his own well being. He also isn't stupid. My opinion is that he wants out of here, and if it means us paying him $3.5 this year, and him signing with another team, I'd imagine he'd be willing to do so.


He's also a member of the NFLPA, and if he were to do that he'd be seriously setting a bad precedent for himself, and for future contract and CBA agreements if it were to come out that he was faking. Lawsuits, the NFL, hell, the NFLPA would probably go after him.
 
McD5 said:
Here's what we are now asking him to do.

Come in, be honest, and sign the papers saying that you are okay. Then Rob, you have two choices:

1. Ride the bench here for at least a bit, or we may just cut you. If we do cut you, no team is going to pay you $16 million next year. Yes, we are asking you to play nice and take a huge paycut.

2. Get rich. Take the next two years off. Don't risk your health.

It's not worth the risk we just took by refusing to wait four days.

Call it what you want. Bad decision-making. Poor risk management. Both apply.




Take two years off and make $20 million. Or play this year and all of next somewhere, risk your health, and make $8 million?

It was a poor decision. We could have lessened that risk, and possible severe damage to our 2016 season by waiting four days.
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risk consists of impact and probability. you know that of course. when the extension was signed.....what were the confidence intervals on Griffin, Cousins and McCoy?

you may or may not have a case. what you don't have is any quantitative measures of how the uncertainty was understood AT THE TIME THE DECISION WAS MADE.

you also don't know what he risk acceptance threshold for the decision-makers happened to be. it appears you are substituting your own threshold.
 
Shi no Tenshi said:
Not gonna lie, but if you have paid attention to Griffin's behavior over the past several years, there is nothing to even remotely suggest he'd pull that. Not one thing. That's some pretty egregious character assassination you are running with, and all just to seemingly be Chicken Little. I'm honestly curious, are you just aiming to be devil's advocate about this, or are you seriously making that your position?
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It's twice now. Once with Scot and his drinking and now this. It's ridiculous
 
I'm just guessing, but I would believe Scott M. Snyder and Allen have spent untold amount of hours discussing all of the variables before extending the terms on Griffin's rookie contract. All the what if's were discussed. I could even see Snyder forcing Scott M. to at least give Griffin a chance... this was most likely the perfect storm of circumstances...(his 3rd concussion, his knees, his contract, timing right before the first series of cuts...) that made the decision for them. The draft picks we spent on Griffin were a bust. It's not the end of the world unless the Rams start winning Superbowls.
Cousins and Mccoy are playing well. Those 4 days could be in play "managing risk" and options.
 
fansince62 said:
risk consists of impact and probability. you know that of course. when the extension was signed.....what were the confidence intervals on Griffin, Cousins and McCoy?

you may or may not have a case. what you don't have is any quantitative measures of how the uncertainty was understood AT THE TIME THE DECISION WAS MADE.

you also don't know what he risk acceptance threshold for the decision-makers happened to be. it appears you are substituting your own threshold.
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Okay, what about the decision then this morning to announce Cousins the starter instead of waiting four more days for Bob to pass his physical?

Was that good risk management?
 
Cycleans said:
I'm just guessing, but I would believe Scott M. Snyder and Allen have spent untold amount of hours discussing all of the variables before extending the terms on Griffin's rookie contract. All the what if's were discussed. I could even see Snyder forcing Scott M. to at least give Griffin a chance... this was most likely the perfect storm of circumstances...(his 3rd concussion, his knees, his contract, timing right before the first series of cuts...) that made the decision for them. The draft picks we spent on Griffin were a bust. It's not the end of the world unless the Rams start winning Superbowls.
Cousins and Mccoy are playing well. Those 4 days could be in play "managing risk" and options.
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I don't even think it is the end of the world if the Rams are successful. That was a previous regime. A regime that has already been completely lambasted for failed decisions. The end of the world would happen if we retain Griffin and he blows a knee week 16 of this year..
 
I'm pretty dense (maybe) but what are the risks in announcing Kirk's team before Griff getting the OK?
 
Shi no Tenshi said:
Not gonna lie, but if you have paid attention to Griffin's behavior over the past several years, there is nothing to even remotely suggest he'd pull that. Not one thing. That's some pretty egregious character assassination you are running with, and all just to seemingly be Chicken Little. I'm honestly curious, are you just aiming to be devil's advocate about this, or are you seriously making that your position?
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Looking at risk vs. reward is the position and job of any GM in any business.

Neither you nor I know Bob, or how he is feeling about the organization right now after hearing he's benched.

That's a huge risk we just took instead of simply waiting four days.

That's poor decision-making.

That's like buying a lottery ticket and taking on the 14 million to one odds for a $20 payoff if you win.
 
McD5 said:
Okay, what about the decision then this morning to announce Cousins the starter instead of waiting four more days for Bob to pass his physical?

Was that good risk management?

How intelligent was taking that risk?
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Yes, because he's eliminating the alienating of 52 players on his roster. He's taking doubt and throwing it out the window. Let's say he waits... and Griffin passes the concussion protocol (something that we easily expect). He then names Cousins the starter. The questions of "well why did you wait til Griffin passed if you truly believe in Kirk" will start flooding in. McCloughan/Gruden just took that and threw it out the window. Kirk is the starter, he's gonna be the starter in 4 days, and the sooner the media and the team understands that, the better.
 
SilentThreat said:
Yes, because he's eliminating the alienating of 52 players on his roster. He's taking doubt and throwing it out the window. Let's say he waits... and Griffin passes the concussion protocol (something that we easily expect). He then names Cousins the starter. The questions of "well why did you wait til Griffin passed if you truly believe in Kirk" will start flooding in. McCloughan/Gruden just took that and threw it out the window. Kirk is the starter, he's gonna be the starter in 4 days, and the sooner the media and the team understands that, the better.
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Removing doubt for four days is the upside.

The downside, although it seems unlikely because Rob is a great guy and he'll be okay potentially taking a huge paycut, is much bigger.
 
McD5 said:
Removing doubt for four days is the upside.

The downside, although it seems unlikely because Rob is a great guy and he'll be okay potentially taking a huge paycut, is much bigger.
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No, 4 days for us... but for the team, now there is zero doubt, BECAUSE he didn't wait. It made a statement to them that the decision was made, and we're moving forward, regardless of Griffin's health. If there's one thing I can't stand as an employee, it's smoke and mirrors. Now you have 52 guys that know a decision was made, regardless of what the test says, and that's whats going to happen.... period.
 
McD5 said:
The potential downside, although not likely, is enormous.

Forget the insignificant fact that we just damaged any trade value he had left. That's minimal.

What about the small chance that Rob has dinner with his family. Rob's father thinks he's been treated unfairly. Rob's agent agrees. Rob's ego is bruised, and he no longer wants to play for this team. He's embarrassed and pissed. His wife fears for her husband's health.

Well we know what Haynesworth would do. But a pissed off Rob is still a good guy, right?

If Rob is pissed after talking to his father, wife and agent, he can now claim he has permanent migraines and can no longer play--or even temporarily retire.

No Doctor can prove otherwise.

He collects $3.4 million this year, and next year? Here's another $16 million for you Rob......go ahead and take that right off our cap. 2016 wasn't that important anyway.

You're now rich for life, and you can practice for the next two years and make a comeback with another team.

Terrible risk management. No matter how small the chance......just so stupid.
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Captain Bizzaro Strikes Again!!!
 
Still not following, Griff has sensed the writing on the wall, (using my own clairvoyant skills here) since at least Thursday with his 'I just work here' presser.

Cleared or not, timing doesn't matter.

The team did prop up his situation by giving him the chance to get it together by proclaiming him the starter early on, they even 'insured' him against injury next year if he plays.... all he had to do was perform and show improvements. The risk, as I see, it was betting on the guy's potential and affording every opportunity for him to develop it.


If Griff is spiteful then yeah he could trash his own moral code and upbringing and seek 'revenge' by faking brain death or something for temporary gain to get back at the team,..... or he could go for a change of venue realizing that it's not going to work here (even though it still may) and expedite the situation keeping his rookie money, renegotiating and moving on.
 
So much made up scenarios trying to be forced as fact. "what if he has dinner....?"
 
McD5 said:
Here's what we are now asking him to do.

Come in, be honest, and sign the papers saying that you are okay. Then Rob, you have two choices:

1. Ride the bench here for at least a bit, or we may just cut you. If we do cut you, no team is going to pay you $16 million next year. Yes, we are asking you to play nice and take a huge paycut.

2. Get rich. Take the next two years off. Don't risk your health.

It's not worth the risk we just took by refusing to wait four days.

Call it what you want. Bad decision-making. Poor risk management. Both apply.




Take two years off and make $20 million. Or play this year and all of next somewhere, risk your health, and make $8 million?

It was a poor decision. We could have lessened that risk, and possible severe damage to our 2016 season by waiting four days.
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Or, what if aliens from the planet Bizzaro come down and turn Robert into a lion. And then some dentist from Mars pays $236,047,211 to shoot him?

Uh-huh. Way too risky.
 
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