The Roadrunner - The Jayden Daniels Thread

If you look at top NFL QBs over time, I’m not sure ‘congenialty’ is the most common trait linking them all. Extreme confidence, individualism, and aggressive personality - these things seem to be a bigger deal. In other words, let’s assume that the group activities significantly ‘annoyed’ Daniel’s (and that’s a big assumption)… him not caring for it and saying so might be a more positive indicator than a negative. It’s easy to find QBs who always say the right thing and will do exactly what they think a new employer wants. I see that as having little bearing on success. Sometimes you need a little dawg in the guy at that position. I think Daniels has some arrogance and ‘**** you I do what I think is best’ in him. I also think it’s what has gotten him to this point in his career arc.

We need an alpha at QB, not a diplomat.

As far as the ‘exercise’ possibly creating long-term bad feelings, that sounds like hyperbole to me. It’s one thing for a Kirk Cousins to hold a grudge because Washington drafted and started RG3 over him. But harboring a grudge because a team invited other players to your team visit - that is hardly comparable.
 
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Not sure 'congeniality' is the right word.

Yes, we need an alpha dog at QB, that much is true, but honestly most QBs ARE alpha dogs. It often comes with the position. If your QB isn't your alpha, or is disliked by your players, you're already behind the 8 ball before you've started. We have an example of this in our own history when we drafted both RGIII and Captain Kirk. It became pretty clear over time that the team gravitated towards Kirk rather than RGIII.

The issue is more, as an alpha dog, what happens when another alpha dog encroaches on your territory. Can you learn to co-exist with someone else that has that kind of drive and influence. for the greater good. If your team recruits a Stefan Diggs, or an Odell Beckham, can you keep the boat afloat without the team imploding?

If I have 4 alpha dogs in the room, I'm probably going to be far more interested in recruiting the one who can also be a diplomat too.

At the end of the day, this is all speculation. We don't really know what Peters and co are scanning for. But I'll be really interested to see what is said post draft.
 
I guess if I had to distill it down to a single point, mine would be that the idea that a Top Golf outing is a) going to tell a GM a damn thing about which QB to take and b) is going to be the tie-breaker on a close QB decision sounds ridiculous to me.
 
The other one to note was Jeff George. I don't think of us old time fans will ever forget Jeff George being dragged across the ground while his o linemen just watched. Not a single one came to help. So yeah, alpha requires different attributes to be successful.
 
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I guess if I had to distill it down to a single point, mine would be that the idea that a Top Golf outing is a) going to tell a GM a damn thing about which QB to take and b) is going to be the tie-breaker on a close QB decision sounds ridiculous to me.
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Could be that it doesn't *shrug*, but obviously they have their reasoning and with a position that's as difficult to draft as QB, more data points can only be a good thing, surely.
 
Besides, I'm not sure we should do our draft analysis on the basis of avoiding "hurt feelings." Maybe it's actually a good thing to learn if a candidate is thin skinned.
 
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I guess if I had to distill it down to a single point, mine would be that the idea that a Top Golf outing is a) going to tell a GM a damn thing about which QB to take and b) is going to be the tie-breaker on a close QB decision sounds ridiculous to me.
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the intersting part of that thread was the fact that they chose to pick up Daniels personally, and that it could mean they were looking to see a geniuine, in the moment reaction. To pair that with the fact that his teammates at Arizona State essentially raided his locker and talked a bunch of trash when it came out that he entered the portal, really does lend the wonder of his personality. I wonder if they saw exactly what they had hoped they wouldn't with the 'rumors' floating about his frustrations.

At the end of the day, we don't know, but if they actually went out of their way to make him feel 'uncomfortable' to get a reaction out of him, they had concerns going into it, and it may, or may not, have been validated.
 
I'm only casually following all of this, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about ...

Ok, I definitely don't know what I'm talking about.

However, I would think top players out of college would be used to being treated like a commodity by teams. Now that I have a son who plays high school sports I see it all the time. Competition is merciless and fierce, and teams do NOT apologize for not giving a player special treatment ... especially a player who's not even on the team yet.

Honestly, who cares what a team does or doesn't do when thinking about picking a player before the draft? Is THAT really going to be a deciding factor for a player? This team didn't treat me like God's Gift before they drafted me? I don't know. That seems very fragile to me.
 
It all depends upon the player.

Guys like Joe Montana and Tom Brady being drafted lower than the they thought they deserved used that for motivation in their careers.

Other guys get caught up in the fanfare of being a first round pick and end up flaming out a couple of years later when the scrutiny and a level of adversity hit them and they weren't level set by their agent/supporters to expect that.

I think that was definitely the case with Dwayne Haskins. Rather than focusing on football, he was building his brand after the draft - getting deals in place for a active-wear clothing line and then coming in and asking the Redskins to bring Joe Theismann's #7 out of semi-retirement because he had branded himself as #7.

There was a guy that was far ahead of himself, already assuming his NFL career as a starting quarterback was in the bag.
 
Signing John Beck and saying he is a starting quarterback in the NFL is where Mike Shanahan lost all credibility with me.
 
I almost didn't watch because Robert gives me ES (Eyeroll Syndrome) most of the time, but this is actually pretty good stuff.

 
Yeah - that’s uncharacteristically reasonable stuff, although even there he has to make it all about his situation :)
 
Are those ... Funko Pops?
 
I still get twitches when I hear all in for week one.
 
It doesn’t even rhyme - that’s the worst part.
 
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