The Name Change

[tshile]

here's what's going on: the gov't is trying to achieve an objective by attacking a business' bottom line...it's that simple. however, the trademark registration - which is what this ruling is about - only confers some privileges...it doesn't undercut the Redskins ability to sue for trademark infringement. it boils to down to where it should have been in the forst place - let consumers vote with their dollars.

I just don't think it's going to matter, and they know it. That's why they seem to be on the 'force them to change' path.

Legal aspects of trademark law aside, pretending for a minute that the redskins have lost exclusive rights to the name (which is not the case - but lets pretend it is): The idea that everyone's going to up and start making "Redskins Stuff" to sell and that it's going to move the needle enough to cause a chance is kind of silly...
The big companies in the country that can compete with Nike from a manufacturing, marketing, and sales standpoint are not going to do this. They have too much at stake. They're not going to put their licensing of NFL products now, or in the future, at risk just so they can make some extra bucks selling unofficial Redskins gear.

The guys on the side of the road... well, they're already selling stuff. I have a hard time believing they're properly licensing the stuff they're selling... overseas sites... they're already doing it... at the end of the day their stuff is of lower quality and when you buy jerseys from overseas shops you pretty much accept it will have defects or otherwise not be an accurate replication of the licensed stuff.

So it seems to me like the net impact would be minor. At lease relative to what the pundits are proclaiming - as if this is some sort of huge victory.

I just hope Snyder sees it that way if they lose the appeals.

 

[Ax]

Absolutely. It is a shame that the ability to have those discussions here was lost due to the inability and/or unwillingness of some to do so in a manner befitting adults or consistent with the well established foundations upon which this site was built.

Agreed. I was not one of them. Maybe that's why it irks the shit out of me. If you want me to leave, say it.

Definitively.

 

[Om]

Agreed. I was not one of them. Maybe that's why it irks the shit out of me. If you want me to leave, say it.

Definitively.

No. What I want is for those inclined to do so to stop repeatedly poking the embers and forcing us to fetch the pail of water again and again.

 

[Boone]

I am seriously tired of the overt and/or 'implied' criticism of staff (here and elsewhere), I am tired of overt and/or implied suggestions that we play favorites and moderate unfairly (which ironically comes from both sides of nearly every internet quarrel here we try to deal with), and I'm tired of spending thankless hours on a site only to have to listen and read about what horrible human beings we are for our efforts.

I am going to have some serious conversations with the other owners next week about whether or not we are going to keep this site open. Between now and then, if you guys don't like the site we've built, or the decisions we make (because, God forbid, we didn't take a hand vote before every one of them), you can leave.

 

[MikeSr619]

Its a great site and most of us know it. But you know who the few are that ruin it...even if I am one of them and you have to get rid of me to help make the site better, you need to just flush out the bad apples and bring this place back to what it was.

Nobody should be attacking you for what you do here and that's the truth. But it is like the conversation that nobody is having and everyone knows what is going on. There are a few people on this site that just come in and shit all over everything and insult people (whether coy or direct) and then sit back and watch the thread burn. Every one of us sees it.

Cut off the head and the body will follow. Like I said, even if I am one of them, that is my suggestion. Its just a shame to see such a great site go this way because of the few who wont chill.

 

[Shi no Tenshi]

I just don't think it's going to matter, and they know it. That's why they seem to be on the 'force them to change' path.

Legal aspects of trademark law aside, pretending for a minute that the redskins have lost exclusive rights to the name (which is not the case - but lets pretend it is): The idea that everyone's going to up and start making "Redskins Stuff" to sell and that it's going to move the needle enough to cause a chance is kind of silly...
The big companies in the country that can compete with Nike from a manufacturing, marketing, and sales standpoint are not going to do this. They have too much at stake. They're not going to put their licensing of NFL products now, or in the future, at risk just so they can make some extra bucks selling unofficial Redskins gear.

The guys on the side of the road... well, they're already selling stuff. I have a hard time believing they're properly licensing the stuff they're selling... overseas sites... they're already doing it... at the end of the day their stuff is of lower quality and when you buy jerseys from overseas shops you pretty much accept it will have defects or otherwise not be an accurate replication of the licensed stuff.

So it seems to me like the net impact would be minor. At lease relative to what the pundits are proclaiming - as if this is some sort of huge victory.

I just hope Snyder sees it that way if they lose the appeals.

What would crack me up is if the people against the name, who are happy about the trademark being negated, went and started making the knockoffs to try and hurt sales. Because that is what they would have to do in order to make any difference, which would make them complicit in their own stupidity....

 

[tshile]

Well, I'll kindly bow out of BGO since I seem to constantly be a point of focus whenever there is a problem.

I almost did it when mike took to making physical threats to BGO posters on facebook - but didn't.

Now I'm receiving legal threats from other posters on BGO PM's. Regardless of how bogus the threats are, or the irony of crying about bullying while bullying and taking shots at my family - enough is enough.

I've tried to work this out with mods - even admitting I'm aware I have a role in all of it. But after repeated attempts the only responses are "Everyone needs to grow up." Which is absolutely accurate - but also dodges the actual issue.

I hope that when I leave all returns to normal and the bullying stops. Have fun - I'll miss many of you. Including the mods and owners - none of my interactions with the mods and owners was ever personal and I do not think any of you are stupid, blind, biased, etc; I think a bad situation was just mishandled.

 

[MikeSr619]

I almost did it when mike took to making physical threats to BGO posters on facebook - but didn't.

lol...that's funny right there

 

[Snydershrugged]

Wtf guys, this isn't ****ing ES, we are supposed to be above this nonsense. Please knock the bullshit off, participate with candor and respect, and if the blood pressure rises, step away until next time.

Please don't ruin this incredible site, its what we all needed to replace an awful experience elsewhere and we have fallen into the same tripe.

I know I've had my own issues and have to remain vigilant that I don't slip too. Its doable, I swear.

 

[Goaldeje]

Christ Allmighty. When does training camp start?

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[Ax]

No. What I want is for those inclined to do so to stop repeatedly poking the embers and forcing us to fetch the pail of water again and again.

I'm sure you see it that way. And as an owner, it's really all that matters.

But speaking for myself, it's more like trying to ignore an 800 lb gorilla sitting on your chest.

Political shit happens. Religious shit happens. Overtly controversial shit happens. And, they all can, will, and do happen, with our own football team. There are, and will continue to be, times when these subjects are part of what's happening in the NFL. I get that you don't want to be reminded that these are now forbidden topics. But they are. They're also what "family and friends" talk about on occasion.

I realize that far too many members can't do that, in a way that keeps an acceptable peace around here. Which is most unfortunate. For those of us who can, or me, specifically, it forces us to ignore, or give the impression that we accept, the phoniness of it all. I'm getting older and more cantankerous. I find it harder and harder to ignore BS when I step in it.

None of this means, that I for one second, don't enjoy this place, and most of it's members. And while the ownership and staff aren't always right, I do believe they try to be fair.

I know I wouldn't want your responsibilities here.

 

[riggins44]

Earlier I read there is a high school on an Indian Reservation in Arizona with nickname of Redskins. The school is Red Mesa High School.

This morning I heard an interesting perspective on this issue. A person said they felt this may be more of an attack on Dan Snyder than the team. The point was made since the attempt to change the name was so long in coming. Once they couldn't force Snyder to change they enlisted the help of the government. One point was made regarding that no one said anything about Redskins name being offensive in 60's when there was a cultural movement to remove racially offensive words.

Since all this has started the Redskins fan base has circled its wagons around Snyder. Snyder was an owner which many fans disliked...until now.

 

[fansince62]

the problem is appeasement

No matter how you put it once you appease anyone or group of people you have to continue appeaseing them because well by doing it earlier you are saying any time you want more just shout.

Appeasement has never worked ever in any country at any time in history.

You cannot please all the people all of the time, problem is the PC Brigade have (through being appeased themselvs) got society to the stage were an individual rights/likes/desires are more important than the majority's.

I agree in substance.

one has to pick and chose his/her battles. I'm disgusted by how this whole redskin name issue is being played as just another card in the PC deck....but...to be frank....I'm a LOT more worried abt events playing out elsewhere. wandering off the reservation here.

rec we all hold our collective breaths, see how this plays out and commit to supporting the Redskins logo no matter how this ends. oh yea...and take names.

 

[Ax]

No question, riggins44, especially where the Post and their, ilk, are concerned, Snyder is now as much a target as the ignorant argument is.

JKC might have used more flowery language, but he'd have said the same things Snyder has.

I'm sure there are some quotes floating around somewhere from the '92 Super Bowl.

 

[RooSkins]

I'm nipping this one in the bud right now.

It's nice to know that one little piece of information is left out of Tshile's post regarding issues on Facebook, such as certain BGO posters trying to attack, ridicule, insult someones spouse, knowing full well whose spouse it was and that the spouse wouldn't know who they were. That is gutless and clearly baiting a specified person for a response. I've kept quiet for a while regarding it, but it is something that is constantly thrown out there and enough is enough. Do not try and pass half-truths.

I've had the privilege of meeting some BGO members in person at the tailgate, and those I met are wonderful people. I've wanted to become a more active member on the site, learn more about the Redskins, the fans, the history, and interact with the BGO members I have met. But I see the same small number of people over and over again, nit-picking and tearing apart others posts, and to be honest, I don't want to deal with being publicly insulted/humiliated by those people. If this is the response I have to what I've seen, I can only imagine how many other people may feel the same way.

I apologize for the slight derailment of what this thread is ACTUALLY about, but I could no longer just sit back when certain statements are made. Please proceed!

 

[servumtuum]

Hi, I just wanted to let people know I'm still in the vicinity.


I haven't posted anything on the name change issue because it would expose a general view of being "offended" I have that might not go over all that well.

But what the hell.


I'll use a visual aid -I love visual aids, especially when they're done by someone I like anyway.








Oh, and if you feel offended by this.....well,C'mon man!

 

[Om]

Roo, thanks for reminding me of something we discuss behind the scenes from time to time ... that there are surely many people out there who DO understand what we are trying so hard to accomplish here, but choose not to join and/or participate in part because are put off by the bitter flavor of some of the conversation.

Just know that as long as our lights are on, we won't stop trying to make this place what it set out to be.

So start posting more please.

 

[MikeSr619]

Native Americans Speak on the Meaning of the Word Redskin - HTTR4LIFE.com - HTTR4LIFE.com

 

[drumlinboy]

Hi, I just wanted to let people know I'm still in the vicinity.


I haven't posted anything on the name change issue because it would expose a general view of being "offended" I have that might not go over all that well.

But what the hell.


I'll use a visual aid -I love visual aids, especially when they're done by someone I like anyway.




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Oh, and if you feel offended by this.....well,C'mon man!

Stephen Fry has his faults but he is also an extremely intelligent guy, he is 100% right on this.

PS if you do not know who he is, he is a British comedian, Cambridge educated very close friend to Hugh Laurie (aka Dr House), in fact they collaborated for years for the BBC.

 

[MikeSr619]

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