The Jayden Daniels Tracker

Always Commander Never Captain said:
Well don't look at TheRinger's QB rankings. last year I think they had Daniels as the 3rd best rookie QB. This year he's behind Dak Prescott and Geno Smith. They also claim he's a 1 read QB. I seriously don't know how that guy has a job every year despite such low quality content.
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Ironically if all you read is the breakdown youd think he believed jayden was the next coming of christ.
The actual content is glowing, how he put jayden behind dak and geno is mind boggling because he had way more criticism of those two.
 
HTTRDynasty said:
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These sound like fun stats...but I don't know what they mean.
  • "Pressure that before a QB goes through his progressions (y axis) is far worse for the offense than pressure that comes, say, via a hit as the QB holds onto the ball until last second (x axis)."

Is this as simple as EPA on pressure before 3 seconds and EPA on pressure over 3 seconds? Or something like that?
 
yeah, I wondered what defined pressure in each sense too. I guess either way, Jayden handles both well.
 
Faithful Fan said:
It’s the top 5, which would be:

  • 1. Cincinnati Bengals WR Ja'Marr Chase: $40.25 million
  • 2. Minnesota Vikings WR Justin Jefferson: $35 million
  • 3. Dallas Cowboys WR CeeDee Lamb: $34 million
  • 4. Pittsburgh Steelers WR D.K. Metcalf: $32.99 million
  • 5. Philadelphia Eagles WR A.J. Brown: $32 million
So yeah, the franchise tag could be in the $30s.
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Chris said:
Having ‘an arm’ and having ‘passing talent’ are two different things. At least to me. The first he had, the second he didn’t.
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RGIII's problem wasn't his arm or his ability to throw the ball, it was 100% between his eyes. He didn't process shit anywhere near quick enough. Couldn't read defenses anywhere near well enough!! couldn't even understand how to slide or get out of harms way.
 


Always Commander Never Captain said:
These sound like fun stats...but I don't know what they mean.
  • "Pressure that before a QB goes through his progressions (y axis) is far worse for the offense than pressure that comes, say, via a hit as the QB holds onto the ball until last second (x axis)."

Is this as simple as EPA on pressure before 3 seconds and EPA on pressure over 3 seconds? Or something like that?
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Yes, that’s my read on what this chart is showing, though I think 2.5 seconds is the typical time used.
 
With regards to Maye, I think it's also important to note that he had the single worst OL in the NFL along with quite possibly the worst receiving corps as well. I know our OL and WRs weren't really anything to write home about but the Pats were on a totally different level of awful in those areas. That's probably one of the reasons Maye got praise for even being serviceable, considering what he had to work with.
 
Conn said:


Good decision-making on and off the field will be a huge contributing factor if Daniels achieves greatness and his draft class peers don’t. Talent and athleticism only takes you so far.
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Contrast that with the below. We’re so incredibly fortunate the Bears picked Williams with little to no diligence on their part.




As he had done many times to many coaches all season, Williams turned his head and walked away. Shane Waldron, before getting fired as offensive coordinator, used to stay quiet. Not Brown. Not a stern, blunt, old-school coach who believed this 22-year-old crossed a line of disrespect. The typically calm coach lost it. On the headset, another Bears assistant coach recalls Brown pressing the mic to finish his conversation: “Get your ass back here right now! Don’t fucking walk away when I’m talking to you!”

Unfazed, Williams sashayed away. Right back to the huddle.

The Bears lost, 6-3.

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Williams struggled to execute elementary tasks. Every day was a new disaster.

That early, that spring, the Bears changed the snap count to appease Williams. Instead of using a combination of colors and numbers like every other team in the NFL, the Bears reverted to a “Ready, set, go!” straight out of JV football because that’s what the quarterback requested. Aside from the obvious on-field consequences — defenders could tee off — the Bears were establishing a troubling precedent in allowing a rookie to tell them exactly what to do. Veterans couldn’t believe it. “Are you shitting me?” one receiver asked a coach.

When a play call was sent in, he’d stare at this wristband for a painful length of time. “Like it was in another language,” another coach says. Williams verbalized the call in the huddle, it was wrong half the time, and then players would be lined up wrong all over the field. Verbiage was truncated. Huddling was minimized. The playbook, dumbed down. The Bears offense devolved into an exercise of trial and error to fit whatever the USC rookie demanded.

All of which would’ve been manageable if Williams was willing to work. He was not.

For all the talk about wanting to be great, this new quarterback didn’t seem to have the desire. When he wasn’t storming away from a coach, he was telling veteran wide receivers how to run their routes before taking a game rep himself. In the meeting room, he barely said a word and didn’t pay attention. Coaches often caught Williams on the wrong page of the gameplan completely. He blew off film sessions and lifts.

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The worst football moments of Drake Maye’s collegiate football life were plastered on the screen for all to breathe in. This was no accident. Multiple people inside this 2024 draft meeting say they knew exactly what Ryan Poles was up to. “He’s not sneaky,” recalls one scout, “and he thinks he is.” The Chicago Bears general manager, it appeared, was implanting the worst possible first impression he could inside the minds of his personnel men.

It wasn’t pretty. Under constant duress, he completed less than half of his passes vs. Clemson. He ran for his life vs. Miami.

Clicker in hand, at the center of the room, Poles repeatedly hit rewind on errant passes and it didn’t take long for those echoes of “Geez!” to turn into outright laughter. Poles and his confidants were not interested in sparking a substantive conversation about the North Carolina quarterback. This draft meeting resembled a bully in the high school cafeteria seeking toadies — any veneer of scouting objectivity was shed.

Maye escaped free runners, threw at awkward angles, sailed incompletions. At times, the spiral of his ball was off. Other times, the receiver broke in and the ball was thrown out. All funky plays were magnified and mocked to make it appear as if this is exactly who he’d become as a pro quarterback.

Poles chimed in.

“This tape makes my chest tight,” one source recalls the GM saying.

All but a select few scouts broke out in laughter.

One brave soul did speak up. Chris White, the team’s assistant director of pro scouting that spring, called out Poles. “We’re dragging this kid through the mud,” he said. North Carolina’s receiving corps was hurting that final ’23 season. White asked his boss to show another game out of fairness. So, he did. Maye started gunning NFL-level throws downfield and White spoke up again. “I like that there,” he said. Two narratives were now clashing. Poles didn’t hit rewind on these plays. Inside the room, one scout recalls the mood turning tense.

After negative plays, Poles made a wry comment: “Dirt ball there” or “You like that, too?”

Laughter picked back up. The team’s area scout, Ryan Cavanaugh, flatly stated that he didn’t believe Maye was a very good player and Poles jumped in to reset the temperature of the room. “I agree,” he said.

Eventually, the GM set the clicker down. “This guy,” he repeated, “makes my chest tight watching this.”

Case closed. Maye was stacked out of the first round.

“They made fun of him,” says one Bears scout in the room. “They laughed. The GM laughed Drake Maye off the screen, and cut the tape off.”

Jayden Daniels wasn’t stacked much higher. The Heisman Trophy winner who filleted defenses with horsepower the sport hadn’t seen since Lamar Jackson was never a serious contender for the No. 1 pick. Not once, sources in the room say, did Poles open up the floor to ask a simple question: Who’s a better quarterback: Caleb Williams or Jayden Daniels? “Jayden Daniels was clearly — clearly — a better quarterback,” says one scout. “If he didn’t want to go with Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels was clearly a better quarterback to anyone with an eye.”

And when it was time to discuss Williams, the tenor in the room changed drastically. His film was massaged in a manner to present the USC quarterback at his absolute best. Nobody dared to chuckle. The Bears didn’t dissect his wretched performance against Notre Dame on tape, only discussing that three-interception, 48-20 defeat through rose-colored glasses. No magnifying glass was panned over this quarterback’s flaws.

To those seeking a vibrant debate, these draft meetings were a farce.

“The quarterback process? I would not even call it a process,” says one scout in the room. “The Caleb Williams draft pick was the most embarrassing lack of a process — a fair, impartial process to scouting — that I’ve ever seen in my life. There wasn’t any type of actual comparison on a fair slate to which quarterback is actually better.

“They had it all lined up. It was a rigged trial.”

Reality is, the decision was likely made long before the decision was even discussed.

Poles was struck by Cupid’s arrow during the 2022 college season. By the time Chicago landed the No. 1 overall pick in 2024, roles reversed. This was not an NFL Organization prodding and investigating and interviewing a College Football Player for the No. 1 overall pick. The threat of Williams pulling an ‘04 Eli Manning or ‘83 John Elway was real, so the GM appeared to play by the quarterback’s rules. When critical thinking was needed most inside Halas Hall, it was instead purged from the building.

One scout likens that Maye scene to a “pack of hyenas” all trying to keep their jobs.

Anyone who steps out of line and speaks the truth, he adds, puts a target on their back.

Which created blind spots for the Chicago Bears.

Not only were five other quarterbacks in a historic draft class outright dismissed. When red flags were discovered, those red flags flatly were not discussed out loud in meetings.
 
We’ve been talking about how to avoid upsetting Williams, the Bears never truly considered Jayden at all. But that article goes so far beyond even what I thought was going on that it’s shocking.

The Caleb Williams behavior/work ethic stuff is wild as well. No clue the reputation of the writer or the sourcing on the article but I haven’t seen a hit piece like that in quite a while. Reads like something that would have been (correctly) written about a Snyder Skins draft bust. God damn if all that’s true Bears fans are toast
 
Yeah I tend to take pieces that brutal with a grain of salt, but if even half of it is true, that's incredibly damning.
 
Conn said:
We’ve been talking about how to avoid upsetting Williams, the Bears never truly considered Jayden at all. But that article goes so far beyond even what I thought was going on that it’s shocking.

The Caleb Williams behavior/work ethic stuff is wild as well. No clue the reputation of the writer or the sourcing on the article but I haven’t seen a hit piece like that in quite a while. Reads like something that would have been (correctly) written about a Snyder Skins draft bust. God damn if all that’s true Bears fans are toast
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Kyle Long didn't care very much for that scathing article about Caleb. However, he didn't necessarily dispute the reports (he's retired so wouldn't really know one way or the other), just that people are saying that stuff anonymously to reporters and the idea that Caleb is a lost cause.

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And an article written by the guy who was the source. He admits to saying those things, but also says there's important context missing from many of the quotes.

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Yes, I was Tyler Dunne's Source for the Caleb Williams Story, But You Weren't Given the Context

By now, most of you are probably aware of the Tyler Dunne article series about the Caleb Williams drama last season that’s taken Chicago Me...
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mistertim said:
Kyle Long didn't care very much for that scathing article about Caleb. However, he didn't necessarily dispute the reports (he's retired so wouldn't really know one way or the other), just that people are saying that stuff anonymously to reporters and the idea that Caleb is a lost cause.

www.sportsmockery.com

Kyle Long Ruthlessly Clapped Back At Report Attacking Caleb Williams

Kyle Long knows something about being doubted going into a draft, which is why he didn't care for recent attacks on Caleb Williams
www.sportsmockery.com www.sportsmockery.com


And an article written by the guy who was the source. He admits to saying those things, but also says there's important context missing from many of the quotes.

www.bearweatherfans.com

Yes, I was Tyler Dunne's Source for the Caleb Williams Story, But You Weren't Given the Context

By now, most of you are probably aware of the Tyler Dunne article series about the Caleb Williams drama last season that’s taken Chicago Me...
www.bearweatherfans.com www.bearweatherfans.com
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Did Jayden win the Pepsi offensive rookie of the week award for week 1? 🤣

Also, it would be so good for us if Caleb busts. Keep all the elite QB’s in the AFC please. That team has too many weapons. They’d be a real threat with an elite QB.
 
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