The Chocolate Industry's Dirty Secret: Child Labor

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I hear you guys about cultural differences, but this potentially involves child trafficking and slavery. And I also hear you about working on farms and hard work during the summers and stuff, however you still were able to go to school, something these children are not able to do (which is in the definition of child labor provided by the ILO). The work you describe does not fit the definition. Contrary to what I'm sure many of you think, I was taught the value of hard work and the value of a dollar as a child, and have worked paycheck jobs since I was legally able to.

Anyway, I was not trying to start a debate about this, just giving you something to think about when buying chocolate in the near future. If you're one of those crazy people who doesn't eat chocolate, than you can ignore this altogether. If your wives/husbands/girlfriends/boyfriends eat chocolate, maybe the next time you surprise them with a little something you think about getting responsibly sourced stuff. Just something to think about.

I think it's still a fine line though. If we remove their capability to work at all, how many of their family members might starve due to not being able to provide? I think it is incredibly easy to look at a situation like this on the surface and make declarations about what is right and wrong and so on, but the truth is often more nuanced than that.

As a Christian community, churches often like to send their members on mission trips to Africa (or wherever) to build wells for communities. Noble, right? Studies have shown that there are MANY unintended consequences from these trips however, and the results, while well-intentioned, are not always as beneficial and positive as one imagines at first blush.

I'm only saying that I think there would need be quite a bit more data produced and analyzed before I was willing to make any changes.

Now, the argument can certainly be made that child labor/slavery SHOULD be a bit higher on my list of priorities than it is. Sadly, it isn't. I honestly feel overwhelmed by all the stuff out there that there is to care about. As Mike mentioned, the KONY stuff is horrifying, as is the AIDS epidemic in Africa, as is the violence in Eqypt, etc, and I haven't even gotten out of Africa yet. It's hard to know where to start.
 
I think it's still a fine line though. If we remove their capability to work at all, how many of their family members might starve due to not being able to provide? I think it is incredibly easy to look at a situation like this on the surface and make declarations about what is right and wrong and so on, but the truth is often more nuanced than that.

As a Christian community, churches often like to send their members on mission trips to Africa (or wherever) to build wells for communities. Noble, right? Studies have shown that there are MANY unintended consequences from these trips however, and the results, while well-intentioned, are not always as beneficial and positive as one imagines at first blush.

I'm only saying that I think there would need be quite a bit more data produced and analyzed before I was willing to make any changes.

Now, the argument can certainly be made that child labor/slavery SHOULD be a bit higher on my list of priorities than it is. Sadly, it isn't. I honestly feel overwhelmed by all the stuff out there that there is to care about. As Mike mentioned, the KONY stuff is horrifying, as is the AIDS epidemic in Africa, as is the violence in Eqypt, etc, and I haven't even gotten out of Africa yet. It's hard to know where to start.

If the children are enslaved, they are not providing for their families...but yeah, there is a fine line everywhere else, I agree. I was just presenting this information to anyone who chose to listen - if you want to do something about it and buy responsibly-sourced chocolate, you can. If you want to research the situation and find out more information before doing anything, you can do that also. If you want to accept the status quo and do nothing, you can do that also. This was new to me, I didn't realize this was an old thing. :whoknows:

Serious question.....when posting something about slavery and child trafficking, why post it here and not the PA?

Well honestly I did not ever think this would turn into a debate...I was just passing along information I came across that I found thought-provoking. Guess I should have known better. The mods can move it as they see fit.
 
There is no magic wand to wave and end all the horrors that go on around the world. I understand this. I'm not trying to organize a massive protest and boycott of the major chocolate manufacturers; I was simply presenting information. Do with it what you will...
 
Well the original post says that children may have been used as slaves OR cheap labor. Slavery is wrong and something I will leave up to the UN but as far as cheap labor goes, well I posted my thoughts earlier.

If your wives/husbands/girlfriends/boyfriends eat chocolate, maybe the next time you surprise them with a little something you think about getting responsibly sourced stuff. Just something to think about.

Certain buzz words and phrases will set people like me off... I'm sure there are others here that feel the same way. I do not feel guilty about the name of my football team, I do not feel guilty for what colonists did regarding slavery and I will not feel guilty for eating a chocolate bar now and again (not that I do) But phrases like "responsibly sourced" is just one of many such phrases that infuriates me.

I'd like to see a bunch of hippy liberal women think about this when they're running into the candy isle at that special time of the month where the only thing that will make them feel better is the nectar of african child slavery wrapped in a shiny non-recyclable wrapper....that would be something!!!
 
Well the original post says that children may have been used as slaves OR cheap labor. Slavery is wrong and something I will leave up to the UN but as far as cheap labor goes, well I posted my thoughts earlier.

Certain buzz words and phrases will set people like me off... I'm sure there are others here that feel the same way. I do not feel guilty about the name of my football team, I do not feel guilty for what colonists did regarding slavery and I will not feel guilty for eating a chocolate bar now and again (not that I do) But phrases like "responsibly sourced" is just one of many such phrases that infuriates me.

I'd like to see a bunch of hippy liberal women think about this when they're running into the candy isle at that special time of the month where the only thing that will make them feel better is the nectar of african child slavery wrapped in a shiny non-recyclable wrapper....that would be something!!!

Fair enough. I totally understand the buzzword thing, as there are those that set me off as well. I won't use that one anymore. :)
 
There is no magic wand to wave and end all the horrors that go on around the world. I understand this. I'm not trying to organize a massive protest and boycott of the major chocolate manufacturers; I was simply presenting information. Do with it what you will...
I wanna coat it in chocolate and give it to Mike and Goal to enjoy. Or I might coat it in dark Ethiopian chocolate and keep it for myself. It will taste more authentic that way :D
 
I'm with neo. And Lanky. Although I don't hate chocolate so much as I just don't eat it but once in a blue moon.
 
Children in cocoa production - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In 2002, the International Institute of Tropical Agriculture investigated the prevalence of child labor in the cocoa industry.[2] They found 284,000 children working in hazardous conditions in West Africa.[2] Of this, 153,000 children applied pesticides without protective equipment, others picked pods and opened them to get the beans; 64% of the children were younger than 14 and 40% of the children were girls.[2] Children often began working at 6 am, worked 12-hour days and were beaten regularly.
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In 1998, UNICEF reported that Ivorian farmers used enslaved children—many from surrounding countries.[20] A 2000 BBC documentary described child slavery on commercial cocoa farms in Côte d'Ivoire.[2][21] In 2001, the US State Department estimated there were 15,000 child slaves in cocoa, cotton, and coffee farms in Côte d'Ivoire,[22] and the Chocolate Manufacturers Association acknowledged that child slavery is used in the cocoa harvest.[22]

Malian migrants have long worked on cocoa farms in Côte d'Ivoire,[23] but in 2000 cocoa prices had dropped to a 10-year low and some farmers stopped paying their employees.[23] The Malian counsel had to rescue some boys who had not been paid for five years and who were beaten if they tried to run away.[23] Malian officials believed that 15,000 children, some as young as 11 years old, were working in Côte d'Ivoire in 2001.[19] These children were often from poor families or the slums and were sold for "just a few dollars" to work in other countries.[19] Parents were told the children would find work and send money home, but once the children left home, they often worked in conditions resembling slavery.[2] In other cases, children begging for food were lured from bus stations and sold as slaves.[24]

In 2002, Côte d'Ivoire had 12,000 children with no relatives nearby, which suggested they were trafficked,[2] likely from neighboring Mali, Burkina Faso and Togo.[25] According to a 2009 snowball sampling study, the majority of those with childhood cocoa labor experience were trafficked (75% from Burkina Faso and 63% from Mali).[26] The majority of those who were trafficked had no interaction with police, and 0.5 percent had any contact from institutions that provided social services.[27] Western African nations of Cameroon,[28] Côte d'Ivoire,[29] Ghana[30] and Mali[31] are the 2009 US State Department's Tier 2 Watch List for human trafficking in part due to the trafficking of children in cocoa production. Burkina Faso[32] and Togo[33] are rated at Tier 2 in part due to trafficking for cocoa production.
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In 2001, due to pressure applied by the US Congress and potential US and UK boycotts,[2] the chocolate manufacturers promised to start eliminating forced child labor.[18] In 2012, Ferrero and Mars promised that they will end cocoa slavery by 2020.[34][35][36]

Yeah, it's cool those punk ass slave kids are making chocolate for us.
 
I posted the information. It's acknowledged by the US State Department and the chocolate industry itself. But suit yourself. Please continue making jokes about children being kidnapped and forced into slave labor. Maybe one day you can meet one and you guys can share your different perspectives.
 
Honest question. Is this on any of your top 100 American problems list?

There's a lot of unsat **** that goes on in this world. We can't change that, but if wringing your hands over it makes you feel better have at it. I can think of a lot bigger priorities to worry about. I'm worried that our debt and irresponsible government is going to run us right into Third World country status eventually. I'm worried that the life savings I've worked for 35 years to build for my kids will someday be worthless paper. I worry that my kids won't have the opportunities my parent's kids had. Now THAT is some **** to worry about.

Abuse of kids by cocoa farmers? It's unfortunate, but sorry, it's not on my radar. Not even a little. If any of those worried about it want to do something, stop eating chocolate permanently. But I'm betting your concern isn't even significant enough for you to take even that small action.

So I'm not sure why anyone's supposed to hyperventilate about the issue.
 
You are not human!
You're just now figuring this out?

I guess I shouldn't tell you I hate cookies, ice cream and popcorn too then huh? I got kicked out of a birthday party for that line once :laugh:

I have logical reasons for each. Popcorn attempts to murder me by strategically lodging its little kernels in a place in my throat that makes me feel like I'm dying. Cookies suck, because they're dry as **** and crunchy and I hate crunchy things, and they all somehow seem to work chocolate, which I hate, into them. As for ice cream, I love the way it tastes, I just hate the hours of hocking up massive quantities of mucus that follow. Apparently I'm the only person this happens to.

Edit: **** peanuts too while we're at it. Cashews are awesome though. And pistachios. And chestnuts.
 
That's the hardest I think I've ever laughed after midnight without being drunk.

To think, it's possible these chocoslaves could be enjoying the work they're doing. I mean think about it, what's the alternative? Playing soccer in a mine field? It reminds me of an old Carlin joke - Hookers today whine too much about being homeless. Back in my day, they were just grateful to have a warm meal in their stomach :drummer:
 
Interestingly, I'm shoving Hershey Kisses into my mouth as I read this thread...

This is very sad to hear that child labor or slave labor could potentially be producing the chocolate I love so much. That said, I still don't think I will ever be able to give up chocolate. I blame genetics.
 
Interestingly, I'm shoving Hershey Kisses into my mouth as I read this thread...

This is very sad to hear that child labor or slave labor could potentially be producing the chocolate I love so much. That said, I still don't think I will ever be able to give up chocolate. I blame genetics.

You don't have to give it up. There are alternatives. :)
 
This is America. Its your right to eat whatever you want, feel however you want, and be as much of an asshole as you want. I posted this for those who maybe might want to start buying chocolate with more child-friendly supply chain; and it turned into a bunch of child slavery jokes. Good to see Americans exercising option 3, I guess?

Funny, people get their labias tied into a knot over activities like Nascar, but then sh!t all over a thread about child slavery. Priorities are one thing, being an ass is a whole other thing. Just my two cents.
 
Honest question. Is this on any of your top 100 American problems list?

There's a lot of unsat **** that goes on in this world. We can't change that, but if wringing your hands over it makes you feel better have at it. I can think of a lot bigger priorities to worry about. I'm worried that our debt and irresponsible government is going to run us right into Third World country status eventually. I'm worried that the life savings I've worked for 35 years to build for my kids will someday be worthless paper. I worry that my kids won't have the opportunities my parent's kids had. Now THAT is some **** to worry about.

Abuse of kids by cocoa farmers? It's unfortunate, but sorry, it's not on my radar. Not even a little. If any of those worried about it want to do something, stop eating chocolate permanently. But I'm betting your concern isn't even significant enough for you to take even that small action.

So I'm not sure why anyone's supposed to hyperventilate about the issue.

Again; I'm not posting this to organize a rescue mission. Control what you can; if spending an extra couple bucks on a bag of chocolate means a kid in Africa won't be forced into slavery, damn right that's on my radar.
 
Good grief guys.

This thread is just bad. All around bad.

I'm ending it.
 
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