The 2026 Free Agency Thread

Glass half full:

Commanders have vet/proven weapons at wide receiver, tight end, and running back with McLaurin, Chig, White, and Bill. We are lacking a proven second wide receiver option, but have credible weapons at each level of the offense. Bonus: Jayden's legs add that extra dimension to make defenses a half step slow.

Glass half empty:

Commanders have a proven vet receiver, a push at TE, and White is not as good as prime Ekeler. Bill's weaknesses in pass pro and receiving make him too one-dimensional for a modern running back. Jayden is an injury waiting to happen with so little support given his competitive nature.

I'm a glass half full guy. I'd love to add another receiver so I could be a glass 2/3s full kind of guy.

My main points of optimism as to whether this works out

A. When you got an elite QB, you always have a chance

B. Aiyuk is a wildcard but lol that can also mean he's a big hit? Will see.

C. While I said it almost never happens that the best case sceario on every front happens. But its not impossible. It could. That's how teams sort of come out of nowhere.

D. I was thinking back at 2024, what make it work when the receivers weren't open. Jayden running a lot. He can double down and run a lot again.

E. Feels like this team does better when its counted out and plays the underdog role. Expectations are so low for this team, that they seem right back at square one with the national media, draft community, etc where they think this team sucks. So it can galvanize them like 2024. If I recall they are right now favored in 4 of their 17 games.
 
My main points of optimism as to whether this works out

A. When you got an elite QB, you always have a chance

B. Aiyuk is a wildcard but lol that can also mean he's a big hit? Will see.

C. While I said it almost never happens that the best case sceario on every front happens. But its not impossible. It could. That's how teams sort of come out of nowhere.

D. I was thinking back at 2024, what make it work when the receivers weren't open. Jayden running a lot. He can double down and run a lot again.

E. Feels like this team does better when its counted out and plays the underdog role. Expectations are so low for this team, that they seem right back at square one with the national media, draft community, etc where they think this team sucks. So it can galvanize them like 2024. If I recall they are right now favored in 4 of their 17 games.
One undermentioned factor of 2025 is the team lacked focus. They just lost their edge, believed in the narrative a bit too much. Mostly it was about injuries, but from preseason lack of intensity throughout the season, this team lacked the hustle and fight of 2024. Even if you look only at the one-year rentals, Von Miller came here to win. In 2024. Ekeler and Ertz came here to prove they weren't washed up.
 
One undermentioned factor of 2025 is the team lacked focus. They just lost their edge, believed in the narrative a bit too much. Mostly it was about injuries, but from preseason lack of intensity throughout the season, this team lacked the hustle and fight of 2024. Even if you look only at the one-year rentals, Von Miller came here to win. In 2024. Ekeler and Ertz came here to prove they weren't washed up.

Yeah. Peters referenced it in an interview -- forgot his exact words but it was something along the lines when asked what happened last season that teams sometimes can forget that each season is a new entity and nothing that happen the previous season matters, you got to regain that edge every season
 
Any team without a true #2, which is like 3-4 teams? This being one of them is much more vulnerable when they lose their #1. If you don't have a high end #2, its not the end of the world but you need a legit #2 for the offense not to fall off a cliff when the #1 is out.
I posted this before and I’m not going to go back and re-pull all the numbers.

None of the championship teams or SB teams really had a true good #2 receiver. Hell, the Patriots WRs were so “meh” (and they got to the SB anyway) that Diggs was their #1 coming off on ACL tear. And they haven’t resigned him, they traded for Brown and signed Doubs. Yeah they’re going all in this year, we’ll see how that works out for them but they were effective enough last year with very unproven talent to make the SB without even a star good 1 let alone a 2.

All 4 teams had a #1 and then had lots of other options but the second outside guy was mostly just a dude for all four teams. Between 600-800 yards for the season which equates to like 30 yards a game. And if the star WR for any one of them went down they probably aren’t in the championship game.

I think you’re overestimating how many teams have enough top end talent at WR where if the #1 goes down for any length of time the team can survive it without heroic efforts from the QB. The Bengals are the obvious exception.

And I’m not opposed to signing another guy. But I think the panic is, at least for now, over the top.

On the flip side, I’m completely panicked at CB. Amos isn’t practicing yet off of a broken fibula in October. That must have been a hell if a break for it it to be 8-9 months and he’s still not back. I didn’t expect that at all. To me, if you want to panic about something, that’s it. I get Flores’ defenses didn’t really rely on CBs. But you’ve got to have CBs who can plan and right now we have a gimpy/not practicing #1 who played 8 games before getting hurt and a third year guy coming off of a bad second season.

The cupboard is not bare at WR. And hell, if you listen to most of the beat guys so far the guys look pretty good. Which again, who knows what that means. But if they looked like a train wreck, that would be a definite bad sign. But they don’t. Which is promising.

It’s entirely empty with moth balls at CB.

That terrifies me. If Amos was more healthy that would be something. But man. They’re playing with fire there.
 
I posted this before and I’m not going to go back and re-pull all the numbers.

None of the championship teams or SB teams really had a true good #2 receiver. Hell, the Patriots WRs were so “meh” (and they got to the SB anyway) that Diggs was their #1 coming off on ACL tear. And they haven’t resigned him, they traded for Brown and signed Doubs. Yeah they’re going all in this year, we’ll see how that works out for them but they were effective enough last year with very unproven talent to make the SB without even a star good 1 let alone a 2.

All 4 teams had a #1 and then had lots of other options but the second outside guy was mostly just a dude for all four teams. Between 600-800 yards for the season which equates to like 30 yards a game. And if the star WR for any one of them went down they probably aren’t in the championship game.

I think you’re overestimating how many teams have enough top end talent at WR where if the #1 goes down for any length of time the team can survive it without heroic efforts from the QB. The Bengals are the obvious exception.

And I’m not opposed to signing another guy. But I think the panic is, at least for now, over the top.

On the flip side, I’m completely panicked at CB. Amos isn’t practicing yet off of a broken fibula in October. That must have been a hell if a break for it it to be 8-9 months and he’s still not back. I didn’t expect that at all. To me, if you want to panic about something, that’s it. I get Flores’ defenses didn’t really rely on CBs. But you’ve got to have CBs who can plan and right now we have a gimpy/not practicing #1 who played 8 games before getting hurt and a third year guy coming off of a bad second season.

The cupboard is not bare at WR. And hell, if you listen to most of the beat guys so far the guys look pretty good. Which again, who knows what that means. But if they looked like a train wreck, that would be a definite bad sign. But they don’t. Which is promising.

It’s entirely empty with moth balls at CB.

That terrifies me. If Amos was more healthy that would be something. But man. They’re playing with fire there.
If their CB situation is really bad, aren't the practices going to not be good to tell anything about the WRs (at least until they have a joint scrimmage)?
 
We're not talking about having a 'really good' WR2 Voice_of_Reason, we don't even have a legit #2. It's not over the top. People are pinning their hopes on guys like Burks who is (to date) the definition of a 1st round bust. Obviously he is a talented athlete. But he's done nothing at the NFL level to warrant confidence he can be a productive WR2. Neither have any of the other WRs on this roster. As far as 'looking good' - looking good in what context? OTAs?? What will tell the tale is whether we have WRs not named Terry McLaurin who can get open consistently against starting caliber DBs in real games. Jayden Daniels is an amazing QB, so yes we will complete passes and score points no matter who lines up at WR. But talent at that position is still very important and it's hard to argue (although some still will) that the effort to upgrade at that position has been anything close to adequate. If it makes folks feel better to argue 'Peters tried' - okay.

We have a supremely talented QB on a rookie contract. Other teams in that situation are building around their young QBs. Washington has failed to do that at WR. Period.
 
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One undermentioned factor of 2025 is the team lacked focus. They just lost their edge, believed in the narrative a bit too much. Mostly it was about injuries, but from preseason lack of intensity throughout the season, this team lacked the hustle and fight of 2024. Even if you look only at the one-year rentals, Von Miller came here to win. In 2024. Ekeler and Ertz came here to prove they weren't washed up.

I don't want to sound harsh, but how on earth can any of us know 'why guys came here' or what the mental state of individuals or the team was last season? The injuries were as you said, an epic factor. And I think most of us recognize that everything that could go right in 2024 - did - and that season masked a lot of talent holes and deficiencies we probably should've recognized more clearly. When we didn't have the same kind of good fortune in 2025, the whole thing came crashing down. I think things like attitude, intensity, hustle, and fight are waaaay down the list of factors in team success. We attribute many negative outcomes to those kinds of things, but I think the reality is talent, team health, strength of opponents, there are tons of things that far supercede those intangibles. I'm not saying they don't matter, but they don't drive success or failure imho, at least not over an entire NFL season.
 
I don't want to sound harsh, but how on earth can any of us know 'why guys came here' or what the mental state of individuals or the team was last season? The injuries were as you said, an epic factor. And I think most of us recognize that everything that could go right in 2024 - did - and that season masked a lot of talent holes and deficiencies we probably should've recognized more clearly. When we didn't have the same kind of good fortune in 2025, the whole thing came crashing down. I think things like attitude, intensity, hustle, and fight are waaaay down the list of factors in team success. We attribute many negative outcomes to those kinds of things, but I think the reality is talent, team health, strength of opponents, there are tons of things that far supercede those intangibles. I'm not saying they don't matter, but they don't drive success or failure imho, at least not over an entire NFL season.
In this case, because he said it and as SIP said Peters confirmed it.
 
Well if I'm Adam Peters I'd want that to be the narrative too. Because not having good depth at key positions, poor coaching, and having to blow up your leadership in the offseason aren't reflective of doing a great job at GM. I'm just saying. As Brother Om reminded me last week, I don't think any of us should lose sight of the injury factor. Teams rarely suffer the kind of across the board, devastating injuries we did in 2025. We just didn't have the reserves and backup depth to sustain it and maintain good effort and play. You said it yourself. I think that is obviously the biggest factor in a dismal 2025 season and I'm not sure you need to go much beyond that. As far as attitude, intensity, hustle, and fight - the problem wasn't that we didn't have those things, the problem was we were asking 3rd and 4th string players to exhibit them.
 
Think about it from the "it's a game of inches" point of view.

Talent, coaching, and play intelligence is probably foremost. Health has an undeniable effect on a team's prospects. However, there are intangibles and mindset things that do impact performance. I think we all have had an experience where our confidence, drive, or whatever have impacted our performance. On the flip side, I know I've come into a situation where my lack of confidence made me stumble in a way where I failed where if I was in a different state I would have done better.
 
I agree burgold - that's why I made the comment 'over the course of an NFL season'... in critical moments and even in certain games those factors can be significant. But again, which player's attitutudes and intangibles are we talking about? When 2/3rds of your starting roster is sidelined, intangibles can only do so much for you. It's just common sense. The Replacements and Rudy are great movies but they aren't the norm. As far as Adam Peters himself pointing to them, what is he really expected to say? He gets asked a million questions and he has to say something to all of them. I don't put a lot of stock in what he says publicly. If you pressed me, my explanations for the woeful 2025 season would be (and I'll bet Peters list would be similar):

1. Epic and early injuries to key players, most notably Jayden Daniels.
2. Poor defensive coaching
3. Inadequate depth at key positions
4. Poor job by Dan Quinn adjusting to said disaster
5. Failure of a number of 'project players' to develop into consistent contributors.
 
Just because it's not a WR2 discussion, I'll argue a little longer (though frankly I don't strongly disagree.)

I think Rudy is the norm, but from this perspective. Every year, guys get cut from NFL rosters who are faster, stronger, and more agile than guys kept. We've seen combine specimens fail to produce over and over again. So talent alone is not good enough. If it were, a guy like Jeff Bostic would have never lasted ten years in the league. I like Jeff or Olkie so I'll use them as classic examples, but there are modern examples on every team and every roster. So, there is something outside of height, arm length, speed, and power which makes an NFL player worth a roster spot. Now, maybe your Reed Doughty's or Jeremy Reeves' shouldn't be leaned on to be a star, but you need those Rudy's on your team. You need the glue guys, the blue colar guys the "fight their guts out" guys (love Gibbs). You also need health, talent, and good coaching, and those three outweigh the former because a team of Rudys will have a ceiling. Eventually, they will get overwhelmed. On the other hand, sometimes the scabs do beat the Cowboys.

(Don't do it. I'm going to do it! Don't do it!)

It's very possible that our fear, consternation, etc. over wide receiver 2 is that right now it feels like all we have our Rudys. OZ in 2024 filled the Rudy role admirably. So did Noah Brown. As others have pointed out, the two Super Bowl contenders had "Rudys" at wide receiver 2. Okay, I'm stretching the definition of Rudy a bit, but I think you know where I'm coming from. If ya don't I have a book full of underdogs to sell you ;)
 
I posted this before and I’m not going to go back and re-pull all the numbers.

None of the championship teams or SB teams really had a true good #2 receiver. Hell, the Patriots WRs were so “meh” (and they got to the SB anyway) that Diggs was their #1 coming off on ACL tear. And they haven’t resigned him, they traded for Brown and signed Doubs. Yeah they’re going all in this year, we’ll see how that works out for them but they were effective enough last year with very unproven talent to make the SB without even a star good 1 let alone a 2.

All 4 teams had a #1 and then had lots of other options but the second outside guy was mostly just a dude for all four teams. Between 600-800 yards for the season which equates to like 30 yards a game. And if the star WR for any one of them went down they probably aren’t in the championship game.

I think you’re overestimating how many teams have enough top end talent at WR where if the #1 goes down for any length of time the team can survive it without heroic efforts from the QB. The Bengals are the obvious exception.

And I’m not opposed to signing another guy. But I think the panic is, at least for now, over the top.

On the flip side, I’m completely panicked at CB. Amos isn’t practicing yet off of a broken fibula in October. That must have been a hell if a break for it it to be 8-9 months and he’s still not back. I didn’t expect that at all. To me, if you want to panic about something, that’s it. I get Flores’ defenses didn’t really rely on CBs. But you’ve got to have CBs who can plan and right now we have a gimpy/not practicing #1 who played 8 games before getting hurt and a third year guy coming off of a bad second season.

The cupboard is not bare at WR. And hell, if you listen to most of the beat guys so far the guys look pretty good. Which again, who knows what that means. But if they looked like a train wreck, that would be a definite bad sign. But they don’t. Which is promising.

It’s entirely empty with moth balls at CB.

That terrifies me. If Amos was more healthy that would be something. But man. They’re playing with fire there.

You said in another post that you do see WR as a premium position. But after debating roster-building philosophy for years, I just don’t buy that you actually treat it that way — at least not based on the arguments you’re making. When your position is basically, “If there’s one spot you can afford to be weak, it’s WR2,” then we’re not really debating one player anymore. We’re debating philosophy. And on that, I don’t think we’re going to see eye to eye.

A 600–800 yard season is absolutely WR2 production. In some offenses, even 500-plus yards can qualify if the role is split between two guys. Not every team is the Greatest Show on Turf. There are only so many targets and yards to go around. Your definition of a WR2 seems less like “legitimate second receiver” and more like “borderline WR1 who happens to play behind an elite WR1.”

Bourne, Hollins, and Douglas are all viable WR2 types in New England — and frankly, any one of them would have a strong case to be the WR2 here. That’s the point. The Patriots have three guys who could plausibly fill that role, while we’re talking ourselves into one maybe emerging. That’s not exactly comforting.

I think you’re redefining WR2 to mean “great WR2” — basically a DeVonta Smith type. And, funny enough, that kind of WR2 just helped win a Super Bowl.

But yeah, I know the script: the WR room is fine, everyone questioning it is whining, the national media is clueless, the analytics people are overthinking it, the WR rankings are fake news, and we should all just relax, take a measured approach, smell the roses, and pre-order our Luke McCaffrey playoff hero jerseys now — because apparently when he’s torching teams in January, the rest of us will look like fools for not seeing the vision.

But let's argue it from your perspective for a moment.

Let's say the Patriots had a terrible WR situation last year. The difference is they did something about it. The Broncos did something about it. They looked at their weaknesses and decided they weren't good enough.

These are teams operating on roughly the same rebuilding timeline as Washington. Granted, Denver has been crushing personnel decisions for a while now, so that's probably not a completely fair comparison. But New England is.

When Drake Maye arrived in 2024, the Patriots had a shaky offensive line, a mediocre receiver room, and a defense that wasn't exactly carrying the franchise. Three years later, they've dramatically upgraded the roster. I'm sorry, but I don't think Washington has kept pace in that specific area.

And this is where I differ from a lot of the national media. They act like Washington has a bad roster. I don't agree with that at all. I think the defense is significantly improved. I think the team is better than Vegas believes, better than many of the power rankings, and better than a lot of the offseason narratives suggest. I wouldn't be surprised if they outperform expectations again.

But acknowledging that doesn't require pretending every position group is set.

The roster can be good overall and still be light at WR. Those aren't contradictory statements.

That's really my point. I'm not arguing this is a bad team. I'm arguing that after three offseasons, one of the most important positions on the field still feels incomplete. And when you're building around a young franchise quarterback, that's a fair criticism—not some irrational obsession with wide receivers.



 
We're not talking about having a 'really good' WR2 Voice_of_Reason, we don't even have a legit #2. It's not over the top. People are pinning their hopes on guys like Burks who is (to date) the definition of a 1st round bust. Obviously he is a talented athlete. But he's done nothing at the NFL level to warrant confidence he can be a productive WR2. Neither have any of the other WRs on this roster. As far as 'looking good' - looking good in what context? OTAs?? What will tell the tale is whether we have WRs not named Terry McLaurin who can get open consistently against starting caliber DBs in real games. Jayden Daniels is an amazing QB, so yes we will complete passes and score points no matter who lines up at WR. But talent at that position is still very important and it's hard to argue (although some still will) that the effort to upgrade at that position has been anything close to adequate. If it makes folks feel better to argue 'Peters tried' - okay.

We have a supremely talented QB on a rookie contract. Other teams in that situation are building around their young QBs. Washington has failed to do that at WR. Period.
And my point is you don't need anything more than a serviceable #2 as long as you have contributions from elsewhere. And I think you can get serviceable from the group of players we have.

I listed what Standig said, and I tend to agree with at this point. The plan is the primary weapons are McLaurin, Chig, Williams and White out of the backfield. Unless things go terribly wrong with the current direction, we're going to be a 50% called run play team. With Daniels' runs factored in, we'll probably be at 55% or more in total runs. So, with that said, if you have an average of 66 offensive plays a game, 33 of them are running plays. I'd be willing to bet the majority of the targets are going to go to the top 4 guys I listed above. A few other folks will catch balls. In the Ben Johnson offense, the slot guy is a major contributor and gets a lot of targets. So Williams or whoever is playing the slot looks to be the second most targeted player.

In this methodology, your second outside receiver is generally no higher than your 5th or potentially 6th overall offensive option.

The other thing to keep in mind is if you're reading the tea leaves, we're going to be in 12 personnel a lot. So 2 TE, 2 WR and RB. And they've already said that Williams is going to play some on the outside, some on the inside. I think you're going to see him line up outside a bunch in 2 WR sets, with Chig and either Bates or Sinnott depending on down and distance. Is that a lot to put on a rookie? Maybe. But maybe not.

My premise for not panicking is in the plan they are executing, they have decided they're going to follow the model of a lot of teams where the offensive production comes from WR1, TE and Running game. That's the plan. That has been the plan for just about all the good offenses in the NFL for the last several years. The Lions are even more funky, because St. Brown isn't even an outside WR, they get production from him in the slot, TE, and Gibbs as a dual threat pass catcher. Their outside guys have been the definition of "meh."

If they're going to execute that plan, all they need is a combined 600-700 yards or so from the secondary outside receiver spot. I think the combination of Burks/MCaffery/DBrown/Van Jefferson can get that. They need McCaurin to stay healthy. If he doesn't, they're kindof screwed. However, if Puka Nakua gets hurt for the Rams, they're basically screwed also. He accounted for >1,700 yards last year. They have no replacement for that on the roster. If Smith-Njigba gets hurt, the Seahawks are screwed. He had 1,700 yards last season, the next WR was Kupp at 580. They can't replace his production either. Virtually no team has the capability of replacing a top end WR who goes down. You are forced to do it by committee. The Bengals are an exception.

As a slight digression, I hate the 50/50 run/pass balance as a "north star" of the offense. It's not the style of offense I like. But that's what they seem to be going with. I still subscribe by what Mike Leach said, "There's nothing balanced about the 50 percent run, 50 percent pass, because that's 50 percent stupid... What is balance is when you have five skill positions and all five of them are contributing to the effort in somewhat equal fashion—that's balance." He's right. But that's not what we're doing.

As I said, I'm panicked about cornerback. I'm not panicked at WR. I'd like for them to add somebody else. I think they will eventually. But executing the plan they seem to have, I'm not panicked. And that's not because I think Burks has looked good, it's just that to execute the plan they are trying to execute, they don't need to solve that particular problem.

I also think if they had gotten Pierce or Doubs, we wouldn't have Chig. They were going to get one or the other. The backup plan in failing to get one of the top 2 WRs was to get the most explosive TE they could get.

If they wanted to run the greatest show on turf offense? Then I would be panicked. But that's not what they want to do.
 
Just because it's not a WR2 discussion, I'll argue a little longer (though frankly I don't strongly disagree.)

I think Rudy is the norm, but from this perspective. Every year, guys get cut from NFL rosters who are faster, stronger, and more agile than guys kept. We've seen combine specimens fail to produce over and over again. So talent alone is not good enough. If it were, a guy like Jeff Bostic would have never lasted ten years in the league. I like Jeff or Olkie so I'll use them as classic examples, but there are modern examples on every team and every roster. So, there is something outside of height, arm length, speed, and power which makes an NFL player worth a roster spot. Now, maybe your Reed Doughty's or Jeremy Reeves' shouldn't be leaned on to be a star, but you need those Rudy's on your team. You need the glue guys, the blue colar guys the "fight their guts out" guys (love Gibbs). You also need health, talent, and good coaching, and those three outweigh the former because a team of Rudys will have a ceiling. Eventually, they will get overwhelmed. On the other hand, sometimes the scabs do beat the Cowboys.

(Don't do it. I'm going to do it! Don't do it!)

It's very possible that our fear, consternation, etc. over wide receiver 2 is that right now it feels like all we have our Rudys. OZ in 2024 filled the Rudy role admirably. So did Noah Brown. As others have pointed out, the two Super Bowl contenders had "Rudys" at wide receiver 2. Okay, I'm stretching the definition of Rudy a bit, but I think you know where I'm coming from. If ya don't I have a book full of underdogs to sell you ;)

I don't think Cooper Kupp and Rashid Shaheed are Rudy. We're not talking about one player either — we're talking about two different examples, good depth. Either one would walk into Washington and immediately be the clear-cut No. 2 receiver.

And then there's New England. Kayshon Boutte, Mack Hollins, and Demario Douglas all around the 500-yard range. Boutte averaged roughly 17 yards per catch, scored six touchdowns, and did it while sharing opportunities in a rotation. Hunter Henry, their TE, was pushing 800 yards.

I think this debate has drifted into a place where the definition of a No. 2 receiver keeps getting narrower and narrower. It feels like unless a player is a top-tier, borderline Pro Bowl-caliber No. 2, he suddenly doesn't qualify as a No. 2 at all.

To use a little hyperbole: it's like saying if you aren't eating at Ruth's Chris, you're eating McDonald's. There's a lot of ground between elite and terrible. There's an entire middle class of NFL receivers who are legitimate No. 2 options without being DeVonta Smith, Tee Higgins, or Jaylen Waddle.

That's where I think we've lost the plot. The conversation started with whether Washington has enough proven receiving talent. Somehow it's evolved into a standard where anyone who isn't an upper-echelon No. 2 gets dismissed.
 
And my point is you don't need anything more than a serviceable #2 as long as you have contributions from elsewhere. And I think you can get serviceable from the group of players we have.

Your definition of a serviceable #2 seems to be any professional WR. They all qualify. Why not Van Jefferson? Why not Dyami? Why not Burks? And heck if you add all of their numbers together than it will sum up to a #2. But that's not a #2, that's a collection of 4's. Those are depth WRs. If you are missing Terry for some games, no one cares about bracketing Van Jefferson. Just play man and tee off at the QB. That's not as easy to do on Romeo Doubs, that's why the chased him in FA.

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I listed what Standig said, and I tend to agree with at this point. The plan is the primary weapons are McLaurin, Chig, Williams and White out of the backfield.

I think everyone agrees that they have a plan of some sorts, They had one last year, too.

Standig over the years seems to be the closest to your point of view of WRs yet if you listen to his podcasts and I listen to just about all of them, he's not a fan of this WR room, and doesn't think they did enough. And he was the one who ironically grilled Peters on the subject in the end of the season press conference.

I'll catch up with his last podcast to see if he did an about face on this.
My premise for not panicking is in the plan they are executing, they have decided they're going to follow the model of a lot of teams where the offensive production comes from WR1, TE and Running game. That's the plan. That has been the plan for just about all the good offenses in the NFL for the last several years. The Lions are even more funky, because St. Brown isn't even an outside WR, they get production from him in the slot, TE, and Gibbs as a dual threat pass catcher. Their outside guys have been the definition of "meh."

I don't know where you come up with this stuff? Jameson Williams is meh? He's arguably better than Terry, let alone meh
 
A 600–800 yard season is absolutely WR2 production
Noah Brown had 700 yards in 11 games in 2024. He wasn't signed until after training camp. He's not a great receiver. He's a barely serviceable player. He was cut from the Texans and signed after training camp. You can find guys to get 700 yards in a season literally anywhere as a second outside guy.

I guess maybe I'll put it this way: In the current NFL, you need 1 premium receiver somewhere. Doesn't matter where. It can be outside or inside. But you need one top end guy. If you don't have that guy, it's a real problem. (except in one circumstance, example below.) So in that way, I believe WR is a premium position. You need one premium WR in today's NFL. That might change in time. Maybe as defenses re-adjust over the next 3-4 years to stop the run, it's going to force the pendulum back to the pass game, and that's going to increase the value of the second outside receiver. But that's not the world we live in right now.

However, after you get the one premium guy, you can solve for the rest of the offensive skill position players in a variety of ways. You could have 2 premium outside guys. (Benglas) You could have a premium TE. KC has really had a revolving door at skill position since Hill left, but they had Kelce as a stud TE (until the last couple years where he's just looked old). Ben Johnson's offenses have leaned on inside WRs, TEs and RBs.

San Fran is the outlier: Christian McCaffery was actually the leading receiver (980 yards) and rusher (1200 yards). How was that guy not the NFL MVP? They don't even have one premier WR on the roster. They hoped to with Aiyuk. They signed Mike Evans to hopefully fill that void this off season.

My point is, there are a lot of ways to get there after you have the #1 guy locked down.

The only team with 2 1000 yard receivers last year was, ironically, the Eagles. AJ brown and DeVonta Smith both had exactly 1000 yards.

700 yards equates to 41 yards a game.

And FWIW, I said over and over, if Tate is there in the draft, I would have picked him over any defensive player even if, for example, Styles is a better LB than Tate is a WR, because I value WR more than a LB.

I think the thing is, while I value WR, I also see the world as interconnected. You can solve for
 
Standig over the years seems to be the closest to your point of view of WRs yet if you listen to his podcasts and I listen to just about all of them, he's not a fan of this WR room, and doesn't think they did enough. I'll catch up with his last podcast to see if he did an about face on this.
I do listen to his podcast, and actually, I don't think you're representing what he said acruately. What he's said is "I wish they had done a little more." That's an exact quote. But he actually has never said that he thought badly of the room. He has said he thinks they have good depth. Though he has also said in his OTA podcasts he thought the group has looked pretty good. Though Who knows anything in OTAs.

I don't know where you come up with this stuff? Jameson Williams is meh? He's arguably better than Terry, let alone meh
Eh, I forgot about him. He's good. He gets overshadowed by St. Brown a bit, but he's good.
 
Noah Brown had 700 yards in 11 games in 2024. He wasn't signed until after training camp. He's not a great receiver. He's a barely serviceable player. He was cut from the Texans and signed after training camp. You can find guys to get 700 yards in a season literally anywhere as a second outside guy.

No, he didn't. And honestly, you're not even in the ballpark on that one. He was in the 400-yard range, not 700.

And you're arguing with the wrong person about Noah Brown. One of my biggest criticisms last season was exactly that point: the guy has struggled to stay healthy throughout his career, and even when healthy, I don't view him as a legitimate No. 2 receiver. But I am ok with at least he's perhaps a #3 when healthy -- but he almost never is. He was the #4 in Texans when they released him. But a complete healthy Noah Brown has been the closest this team has gotten to a #2 under Peters.

As for the idea that 700-yard receivers are just lying around everywhere and can be found as easily as spare change, that's where we completely lose each other.

I genuinely think we're operating from entirely different realities on this topic. Your examples don't support the point you're trying to make, and some of the "facts" being thrown around feel disconnected from how the league actually values and pays these players.

A proven 700-yard receiver is not some dime-a-dozen commodity. If they were, teams wouldn't be spending significant draft capital, trade assets, and millions of dollars trying to acquire them every offseason.

At this point, I don't even know if we're debating the same thing anymore. We aren't just reaching different conclusions from the same facts—we're starting from completely different assumptions about what constitutes a quality No. 2 receiver and how difficult those players are to find.

That's why this conversation feels like we're on different planets. It's less a disagreement and more a philosophical divide on how NFL rosters should be evaluated.

I don't think Adam Peters would agree with your argument, either.

Take Romeo Doubs. His best season was just over 700 receiving yards, and by multiple accounts Washington made a serious push for him and was willing to offer significant money. If a 700-yard receiver is as easy to replace as you're suggesting, why pursue him so aggressively?

Now, if the argument is that Peters recognized the need, tried to address it, and circumstances simply didn't break his way at receiver, that's a discussion I'm willing to have. Free agency and trades don't always cooperate. Sometimes the player chooses another destination. Sometimes the market doesn't develop the way you expect.

But that's a very different argument from saying the position doesn't matter much or that WR2 is some easily replaceable spot.

In fact, Peters' actions suggest the opposite. His pursuit of players like Doubs indicates he saw receiver as a meaningful need and was actively trying to upgrade it.

That's why I probably need to stop framing this as people reflexively defending Peters. In a weird way, I don't think that's what's happening. Because the logic being used to downplay the position doesn't really align with Peters' behavior.

If Peters truly viewed WR2 as a minor concern, he wouldn't have been chasing upgrades in the first place.

So to me, the more consistent position is: Peters recognized the need, attempted to solve it, and didn't get the outcome he wanted. I can understand and even sympathize with that argument.

What I can't reconcile is the idea that the position isn't important while simultaneously defending a general manager whose actions strongly suggest he believed it was.


 
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I do listen to his podcast, and actually, I don't think you're representing what he said acruately. What he's said is "I wish they had done a little more." That's an exact quote. But he actually has never said that he thought badly of the room. He has said he thinks they have good depth. Though he has also said in his OTA podcasts he thought the group has looked pretty good. Though Who knows anything in OTAs.

As I mentioned, I haven't listened to that podcast yet and will. So was wondering since you cited him if he flipped his position. lf he said "a little" more that would be a shift from him that comes off like his close to satsified with it and just needs a little tinkering. He's been critical of the WR room they built in the context of going for it this season, and has had guests on his show who have been critical. But I'll get to listening to it.
 
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