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Heard on a pod yesterday that the price that the Pats are paying is a 2028 1st as no one is willing to give up 2027 picksJust hypothetically, what would you guys give up for AJ Brown?
They've done business with us in the draft, and for Jahan Dotson. Roseman is a businessman. I don't think it's necessarily 100% out of the question if the offer was right.
Heard on a pod yesterday that the price that the Pats are paying is a 2028 1st as no one is willing to give up 2027 picks
The argument I was attacking was Darr's assessment that teams "improved across the board!" while we apparently sat on our hands and drooled on ourselves, which, I think, is a demonstrably false statement.
But to your point--yes the wide receiver room is deeper in NE, but, right now, all they have are #2s. Doubs has never been a #1. Terry McLaurin is better than any receiver they have. I would absolutely take Boutee across from him though, and wanted Doubs as the #2 here. Until they trade for Brown, they don't have a #1. As for Douglas--I think Lane or LMC can do what he did, but they haven't, so it's really moot. But I think the potential is there.
Peters did go hard and whiff on Pierce and Doubs, but they choose other teams for different reasons. So, I do give him credit for that, but, still doesn't solve the issue at WR. Personally, I think Pierce is an idiot for choosing Jones over Daniels, but again, pointless to argue that point. I wish was had upped the ante for Doubs. Maybe we did, and he still chose the Pats. It's easy to like the Pats more right now.
This is where we probably diverge--your focus is on the wide receiver room alone; and their receivers are better. However, those weapons are useless if the QB is getting pounded into the turf and has no time to throw. I will absolutely take the Texans receiving corps over ours; but our OL and RBs are better. Likewise, I think Konk will match Schultz, production wise, but, again, he hasn't so, it's entirely debatable.
The Bears should be commended with how they've built too--but to get there, they had a lot of things break their way, especially in the draft--namely the Bryce Young trade. But, again, they did, we didn't, hats off to them. I still think we'll be better this year.
Is a '28 first still considered the equivalent of a '27 second? I hate the idea of giving up a first regardless of which yearI'd pay that price maybe. Maybe sweeten it. I definitely would if not for the age. AJ Brown and a CB would make us real contenders to win the NFCE. And we could still draft a Terry replacement in '2027.
My fear is both the age and some of the diva stuff. He's been a discontent in that locker room for years. If he slows down because of the wear on the tires and needs to be a second banana I could see him becoming insufferable.I'd pay that price maybe. Maybe sweeten it. I definitely would if not for the age. AJ Brown and a CB would make us real contenders to win the NFCE. And we could still draft a Terry replacement in '2027.
I'm actually losing what your argument is, you brought up the Saints draft picks as "stacking weapons" in a previous post; like wise praised the Texans receiving corps while ignoring their horrid OL. I am not picking one or the other--I am looking at the entirety of the offense, you seem to be focused on the WR/TE rooms alone. Maybe I'm misreading your point, we are starting to get into a circular argument here....as is tradition at this point in the offseason.OK. We don't diverge at all on the O line. You seem to be searching for teams with worst O lines than this team and who have young QBs, and say see. I want a good O line but there are teams accomplishing both -- weapons and an O line. It's not pick one.
My take the whole time has been to compare Jayden with the other teams who took QBs in the 2024 draft. Could I find GMs who have done a worse job than Peters to your point if you combine the O line and WR in one conversation? Yes. But is that the bar? There are worse GMs if you combine both factors. Yeah agree.
But there are no worse GMs IMO from that 2024 QB class. Peters is the worst IMO in that group. As for the whole NFL, he is one of the worst on the aggregate using your metrics but agree he's not the absolute worst on your combined O-line-WR metrics if you are doing the whole league. He's near the bottom, but not the absoluie bottom.
But for me, I am looking at this with ambitions for a SB, not whether we are as bad as the putrid Saints.
For me its tough for me to attack NE. So many rumors that they are dead serious to consume that AJ Brown trade post June 1st. Last year they had Diggs. they have 2 pass catching TEs, and then added a third in one of my favs from that draft in Raridon.
Staying on that theme, the idea from some of our fans that we don't need another TE because of Chig. I hate that mindset, keep stacking talent, Bears have two young TEs and lol they add my other fav TE from this class in Rousch.
So 1 good pass catching TE is plenty. For some other teams, 2 pass catching TEs isn't enough. Give them 3.
I think part of the reason why they whiffed on Doubs is a product of their own lack of effort to load up Jayden in 2025, hence the narrative that Maye is the better QB that some have. Not saying that's why it happened. But it didn't help. And it seemed like Doubs hinted that the Pats didn't have the highest offer but he wanted to play with Maye.
Stack talent. Think bigger. Or lol just give Jayden a legit #2 WR for the first time in his career -- that's not too much to ask for.
Staying on that theme, the idea from some of our fans that we don't need another TE because of Chig. I hate that mindset, keep stacking talent, Bears have two young TEs and lol they add my other fav TE from this class in Rousch.
So 1 good pass catching TE is plenty. For some other teams, 2 pass catching TEs isn't enough. Give them 3.
I'd have required a drug test after that statement.I saw the TE coach interviewed and he said he thinks our TE room is the best in the league.
Yup and Doubs > Hollins or Boutte
I am not a fan of trading high draft picks for anything other than a transcendent player. Jeremiah Smith is worth FRPs in 2027 and 2028.Is a '28 first still considered the equivalent of a '27 second? I hate the idea of giving up a first regardless of which year
I wouldn't make that trade for Brown however I would make that trade for Pickens, I know Pickens could be a pain in the butt and he sometimes looks as if he isn't trying on some plays but his age is 25, and I think we would be getting the equivalent of how he played with the Cowboys, yes we would have to pay him over 30 million a year and extend him, we could get Terry walk next year and with the draft being deep at receiver next year we could draft a good receiver next year in the second round.I'd pay that price maybe. Maybe sweeten it. I definitely would if not for the age. AJ Brown and a CB would make us real contenders to win the NFCE. And we could still draft a Terry replacement in '2027.
I'm actually losing what your argument is, you brought up the Saints draft picks as "stacking weapons" in a previous post; like wise praised the Texans receiving corps while ignoring their horrid OL. I am not picking one or the other--I am looking at the entirety of the offense, you seem to be focused on the WR/TE rooms alone. Maybe I'm misreading your point, we are starting to get into a circular argument here....as is tradition at this point in the offseason.
But to your last post...we're lamenting a third-string pass catching TE? How many targets is he actually going to get? That seems like a dumb use of resources there--especially given the Bears lack of a pass rush, but that's a different argument. Sinnott is still only 23, and was miscast in Kingsbury's offense, I think we agree on that one. So I, as the official Ben Sinnot Believer on this board, still hope for the upside. (And remember, SIP, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things...) He can absolutely mirror the 20-catch season Hooper did last year. But yes, objectively, NE currently has better depth at both WR and TE. BUT, I am going to throw another caveat: the Pats played the single easiest slate of defenses that DVOA has ever recorded. In the playoffs, they got exposed, offensively. I think it's fair to question how much of their offensive production was mirage.
I wouldn't be shocked if Brown ended up on the Patriots--but until that happens, he's still an Eagle. If/when he does, we'll discuss it then, and that changes things. But for right now, McLaurin is better than any receiver they have. I don't think they've improved without Brown. Again, story changes if/when that happens. But this argument really is based on Darr's tweet that everyone got better while we sat around smelling our own farts. That's untrue.
And as for Peters, no, he's not the worse. Terry Fontenot was the one who drafted Penix, signed Cousins, and already had London, Pitts, and Robinson in place. He has subsequently been fired. So he's objectively worse. Like wise, Paton and Poles both have multiple-year head starts on Peters. How much better does this team look if Peters is running the draft for since 2021 or 2022 (Paton and Poles, respectively, ran their first drafts in those years)? Both had three straight losing seasons before making the playoffs. I also want to make this point of emphasis: George Paton gave FIVE picks, including two first- and two second-round picks for Russell Wilson. If you want to hold Eliot Wolf up as doing a better job, I wouldn't argue, even though he hired Mayo as his first HC.
I'd have required a drug test after that statement.
At least he's positive
Yankoff is also an interesting piece, he only has two catches, but he has shown enough in camp and preseason for us to roster 4 tight ends.
I get wanting to put more weapons around Jayden in principle, and it sounds like you’re disappointed we didn’t draft a guy you liked, but there is no need to pretend our roster is weak in areas where it isn’t.
Yeah there would be a division tax for sure. I share some of the doubts burgold has re character and age so I probably pass it by for us. I also agree with 36ST21 that our 2028 1st rounder would be better spent if it got us into the conversation for WR1 in next years draft. Still I am surprised that it’s only the Pats that are apparently in the mix at that price.They wont trade Brown in division unless a total overpay.