Tell the Truth Monday- 2024 End of Season Edition

[mistertim]

I have to disagree. Hurts isn't terrible; he's a mid-tier QB overall. In my opinion, he's being carried by what's the best roster in the NFL. Their lines are absolutely elite on both sides, the best scoring defense in the NFL this season, an MVP caliber running back to make his life easy, etc. If Hurts has to carry a team, he'd be exposed immediately.

The last six games we've had virtually zero running game, and the defense couldn't stop UCLA. Despite this, Jayden put this franchise on his back and willed this team to the NFCCG. I doubt Hurts could ever pull that off with a mid (at best) roster.

Yeah, to me Hurts is a good but not great or elite QB. He's a top 15 / borderline top 10 guy who can do plenty when he has lots of talent around him, but he's not a QB who will elevate everyone else and put a team on his back. JD seems to be that kind of QB.

 

[Enforcer]

Yeah, to me Hurts is a good but not great or elite QB. He's a top 15 / borderline top 10 guy who can do plenty when he has lots of talent around him, but he's not a QB who will elevate everyone else and put a team on his back. JD seems to be that kind of QB.

Totally agree. Hurts is pretty good. But he also has the luxury of the best defense, what's regarded as the top 1 or 2 offensive line, the best running back in the game (thanks idiot Giants), a good TE, and 2 higher level WRs.

I think if you put Daniels on that team -- it's the #1 seed. Conversely, if you put Hurts on our team this year - prob would miss the playoffs.

 

[the evil genius]

I hope the competition committee looks at adjusting the concept behind the tush push. I suspect the genie is out of the bottle on pushing players...but if Bob Wags was right about illegal formation of the OL, maybe adjust the rules and/or make that a point of emphasis next year?

I'm not a fan of rugby style football but props to Philly being able to master it (mostly). Just don't think it's what I want the game to be tbh.

Edit...also not a fan of allowing the QB to head bob on hard counts, especially during this play.

 

[ntotoro]

If they allow the tush push, they may as well allow you to push a WR another 10-20 yards when it seems all hope is lost. What I dislike about the tush push is the referees allow the play to go like 5-6 seconds when you can't tell whether the player has lost momentum or is still going. It needs to stop for that very reason. It isn't the player doing the work.

 

[mistertim]

If they allow the tush push, they may as well allow you to push a WR another 10-20 yards when it seems all hope is lost. What I dislike about the tush push is the referees allow the play to go like 5-6 seconds when you can't tell whether the player has lost momentum or is still going. It needs to stop for that very reason. It isn't the player doing the work.

Hell, just allow a Tackle to pick up a RB, surround him with the other OL guys so nobody can get through, and then jog him into the end zone.

 

[Riggotoni]

We made 6 first round draft picks the 5 years before Adam Peters took over. 3 (half) were busts who were cut, for 2 we somehow managed to steal 3rd round picks, and for the only good player we got a second rounder. What we will see over the next two years is just how much Peters had to do with SF's success. The early returns are promising, but it's going to be a lot easier to win it all while JD is on his rookie contract.

 

[Bulldog]

It seems obvious that Daniels is the show.

His stats from the game - 255 yards passing, 1 TD, 1 INT and 60 yards rushing with 1 TD.

Those are the stats of a quarterback that usually wins or loses a game by 3-5 points.

The rest of this team for the most part did him no favors.

THREE fumbles lost. A 60 yard RUSHING TD on the Eagles first play.

Making backup Will Shipley look like Barry Sanders.

For a team that turned over the roster and got rid of a number of older players last year it appears the refrain is going to be the same this year.

Even though Daniels had perhaps the best rookie season for a quarterback this year’s Commanders did not produce a boatload of younger talents that are emerging to get this team over.

On offense Daniels depended on McLaurin (29), Ertz (34), Ekeler (30) to make the engine go.

Our rookie draft picks at skill positions on offense for most part didn’t show up on a team where depth has been an issue since Day 1.

If there was one team a rookie should have been able to come in and make an impact over the course of the season it was this one.

And looking at things today we still need quality starting younger players at WR, TE, RB, etc.

Right now you have Daniels and Sainristil that showed a high compete level.

The rest of that rookie class is still almost all question marks.

And this was a team with a good number of picks drafting near the top of most of the rounds.

The front office also didn’t find any late night gems in the undrafted rookie pool.

We hit paydirt on one big pick.

And that’s great.

But it doesn’t necessarily look like the 1981 Redskins or 1991 Cowboys where younger draft picks and undrafted free agents that could play we’re coming out of the woodwork.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

If they allow the tush push, they may as well allow you to push a WR another 10-20 yards when it seems all hope is lost. What I dislike about the tush push is the referees allow the play to go like 5-6 seconds when you can't tell whether the player has lost momentum or is still going. It needs to stop for that very reason. It isn't the player doing the work.

This has been my issue for a long time, and it's not just at the goal line but all over the field. In the old days the whistle blew once forward progress was stopped, now they allow the play to continue and offensive players to shove the pile and that is so unfair to the defense.

 

[the evil genius]

Fwiw I thought Newton did a solid job yesterday. All the big runs were outside right? Do they dare trade Allen or Payne now? Or keep them in a 3 or 4 man rotation and pair them up with pro caliber edge rushers?

Edit..wouldn't be surprised if Sinnott takes Ertz's role next year. Also I think people are selling Coleman short. He was thrown in to the LT position as a 3rd round pick and did a really good job.

 

[the evil genius]

This has been my issue for a long time, and it's not just at the goal line but all over the field. In the old days the whistle blew once forward progress was stopped, now they allow the play to continue and offensive players to shove the pile and that is so unfair to the defense.

It's also impossible to properly spot the ball if the QB is being buried on these plays..unless the NFL actually adopts the ball tracking tech they were testing. But even then, who can tell when the player is down.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

It's also impossible to properly spot the ball if the QB is being buried on these plays..unless the NFL actually adopts the ball tracking tech they were testing. But even then, who can tell when the player is down.

It worked for 75 years the old way. When forward progress is stopped they should blow the whistle, this applies to every part of the field not just the goal line.

 

[tshile]

But I couldn’t believe it when Jayden danced after the score while we were getting our asses kicked. Seemed so out of character.

Same here. I believe what is said out loud, just automatically, was “yeah… you know you’re getting your ass beat right now right?”

Definitely not a good thing but if we’re keeping score it’s like 1 of 2 items on the bad list. The other being I hate how much he runs 😂

 

[iheartskins]

A couple tangentially related truths:

1. Maybe the conversation can finally move beyond the owner than was and can move into being the team that is.

2. Maybe the vibe of the team and the coverage of the team will pivot from spiteful in losing and incredulous in winning to considered when losing and affirmative in winning.

3. The trajectory for improvement feels tangible in a way that it very much did not in 2006. This is not "The Same Old Redskins".

4. Losing is painful, particularly on the cusp of the Lombardi. Is losing in the NFC Championship better than losing in the Super Bowl?

5. A ton to be (objectively and unreservedly) hopeful about. When was this last true when fans from other teams wouldn't accuse you of rose colored glasses.

6. Daniels is a rookie.

7. Expectations will have to be managed very carefully next year after a run like this. Ensuring that we don't underperform will be a real challenge for Quinn.

 

[Boone]

We beat the Lions in every way it’s possible to beat a team. And then had the same thing happen to us vs the Eagles.

We get so ‘in the weeds’… sometimes it’s a simple as ‘the other team played a lot better’

 

[Redskin1]

So happy with the season, way more than I expected. Did mind losing the last game, but was very disappointed with the way they played. Wanted to go down swinging.

 

[Bulldog]

Truthfully I have never seen a team with this much trouble stopping the run going on to win the Super Bowl.

The last team whose front was this porous and made it that far was the 1987 Broncos, the team that Timmy Smith hit up for 204 yards in SB 22.

 

[Die Hard]

I never expected us to win… but I felt you always have a puncher’s chance with Daniels. So I wasn’t disappointed in the loss. Only hate the fact it had to be to the Eagles.

I knew Dyami had a fumble coming after watching the way he carried the football the past 2 games. He was pretty lucky on a couple of tackles.

I’m also glad Jayden didn’t lose the game. His teammates did… and many of them. That gives me hope for the future too.

The Eagles defense swarmed… and had no broken tackles (YAC yards). Washington had to fight for every inch… while Eagles receivers were schemed open time and time again for easy gains.

Where was Fowler the past 2 games?

This team has so many holes… and with next years schedule… I’m not confident. But in 2 years time… look out.

 

[ExoDus84]

We just need more talent. We were carried by the sheet will of our stud rookie QB, who successfully played hero ball in every critical moment to get this team to the NFCCG. The luck ran out against a roster that is far more complete. We were obliterated in the trenches on both sides of the ball which really set the tone.

We need more talent on the O-line because there was no running game to speak of outside of Jayden. As much as I like BRob, I think we need a much more explosive/dynamic runner to be "the guy".

Defensively, I don't know what the problem was but we were the worst rushing defense in the league, even with Payne/Allen healthy and playing. How are you going to win a championship when you allow opposing running backs 6-7 yards a carry? The coaches desperately need to address this in the offseason.

 

[Commander Wraith]

It seems obvious that Daniels is the show.

His stats from the game - 255 yards passing, 1 TD, 1 INT and 60 yards rushing with 1 TD.

Those are the stats of a quarterback that usually wins or loses a game by 3-5 points.

The rest of this team for the most part did him no favors.

THREE fumbles lost. A 60 yard RUSHING TD on the Eagles first play.

Making backup Will Shipley look like Barry Sanders.

For a team that turned over the roster and got rid of a number of older players last year it appears the refrain is going to be the same this year.

Even though Daniels had perhaps the best rookie season for a quarterback this year’s Commanders did not produce a boatload of younger talents that are emerging to get this team over.

On offense Daniels depended on McLaurin (29), Ertz (34), Ekeler (30) to make the engine go.

Our rookie draft picks at skill positions on offense for most part didn’t show up on a team where depth has been an issue since Day 1.

If there was one team a rookie should have been able to come in and make an impact over the course of the season it was this one.

And looking at things today we still need quality starting younger players at WR, TE, RB, etc.

Right now you have Daniels and Sainristil that showed a high compete level.

The rest of that rookie class is still almost all question marks.

And this was a team with a good number of picks drafting near the top of most of the rounds.

The front office also didn’t find any late night gems in the undrafted rookie pool.

We hit paydirt on one big pick.

And that’s great.

But it doesn’t necessarily look like the 1981 Redskins or 1991 Cowboys where younger draft picks and undrafted free agents that could play we’re coming out of the woodwork.

To your point about the rookies, I agree, lot of question marks there. Going to be interesting to see if/how they contribute going forward. I do think a fair few of them just had an uphill battle to earn time (which is good of course). For me, this year felt different in that I didn’t have the feeling that we needed one or more late rounders or UDFAs to play a big role.

I know they like Magee, but with Luvu and Wagner staying healthy, and Magee missing significant time, not surprising he didn’t wind up seeing the field much.
Hampton had a similar problem in the sense that guys ahead of him stayed healthy, but he was also (seemingly) switching positions.
McCaffrey got a good amount of time early, not sure what happened there, but the vets (mostly) took over, and he’s still new to the position.
JJB got fairly significant time. We didn’t see too much impact from him (he had a few moments), but he was also a 7th rounder, so hard to judge at this point.
Sinnot was understandably behind two vets. Shame we didn’t see him make more of an impact, but TE is often a slow burn position.
Owens was the one post-3rd round guy that stood out to me. Looked good on teams and was impactful in the preseason. Safety was one of our few spots with quality depth though. Would be great to see his role increase in the future.

If AP and scouts did indeed put a heavy emphasis on hard working, high football IQ draftees, the environment DQ put in place should help nurture these young guys. In other words, hopefully the combo of quality coaching and excellent vet examples ahead of them leads to some of these guys becoming quality depth, contributors, or even starters down the line.

And if it doesn’t play out that way and we wind up with 2 high end starters (Daniels and Sainristil) and 2 roughly decent starters (Newton and Coleman), that’s still a win. Heck, you could argue that just landing a high end qb makes it a home run.

 

[burgold]

To your point about the rookies, I agree, lot of question marks there. Going to be interesting to see if/how they contribute going forward. I do think a fair few of them just had an uphill battle to earn time (which is good of course). For me, this year felt different in that I didn’t have the feeling that we needed one or more late rounders or UDFAs to play a big role.

I know they like Magee, but with Luvu and Wagner staying healthy, and Magee missing significant time, not surprising he didn’t wind up seeing the field much.
Hampton had a similar problem in the sense that guys ahead of him stayed healthy, but he was also (seemingly) switching positions.
McCaffrey got a good amount of time early, not sure what happened there, but the vets (mostly) took over, and he’s still new to the position.
JJB got fairly significant time. We didn’t see too much impact from him (he had a few moments), but he was also a 7th rounder, so hard to judge at this point.
Sinnot was understandably behind two vets. Shame we didn’t see him make more of an impact, but TE is often a slow burn position.
Owens was the one post-3rd round guy that stood out to me. Looked good on teams and was impactful in the preseason. Safety was one of our few spots with quality depth though. Would be great to see his role increase in the future.

If AP and scouts did indeed put a heavy emphasis on hard working, high football IQ draftees, the environment DQ put in place should help nurture these young guys. In other words, hopefully the combo of quality coaching and excellent vet examples ahead of them leads to some of these guys becoming quality depth, contributors, or even starters down the line.

And if it doesn’t play out that way and we wind up with 2 high end starters (Daniels and Sainristil) and 2 roughly decent starters (Newton and Coleman), that’s still a win. Heck, you could argue that just landing a high end qb makes it a home run.

I thought this was worth a thread... so I started one