Redskins Insider:Dwayne Haskins was legally drunk at time of death, which is ruled an accident

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Dwayne Haskins also had ketamine in his system when he was struck and killed on a South Florida highway last month.

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Can’t open the link since it’s the Compost. But, wasn’t he hit like 9:00 in the morning, how TF are you THAT hopped up on meds & drunk then?

I mean we all know someone that’s been addicted to one thing or another, but this makes no sense to me. Seems celebrity life priorities are night and day from peasant life.
 
I don’t find it surprising. He’s still a young guy so having a night out partying is sort of par for the course. Now the ketamine - I’m not even familiar with that drug - and getting behind the wheel while significantly intoxicated, those things are unacceptable.

If nothing else this may explain the irrational choice, for a guy with all the resources in the world at his disposal, to leave his vehicle and go traipsing down a busy highway in the dark.
 
He was always was the irresponsible one. That's why he got cut. Plus, I personally am dealing with family going on chemo now. I hold some raging disapproval towards my sister for her near ritualistic need to do good works by going to church for volunteering.

I find it just a little ironic a "stampede" (with cars) took him out. "Simba" was his favorite character but daddy Mufasa took the hit and died. But there is no evil uncle here. Just Haskins himself. Just another lesson that in real life, things don't always end happily/triumphantly for maladjusted young bucks.

To me, he demonstrated some degree of sociopathy or psychopathy, because he was exceptionally good at messaging himself in a way he looked like he was Jesus' second coming, but he never did live up to the image.

His wife is set up good though. She probably gets everything due to how most intestate laws dole out an estate. The sorrows in public are cheers behind closed doors.

Also, given Pittsburgh took Pickett...Haskins' was on his way out in that building even if he lived.
 
Not that it matters one way or the other but wasn’t there a woman riding in the car with him that wasn’t his wife? These kids need better support in their lives from their families.

Never heard of the medicine either, unless he stole a prescription pad, the Dr who wrote it is in deep shit. FFS it’s an anesthesiologist pre surgery type med according to wiki and doesn’t sound like something to even prescribe. This plethora of stupidity is negatively impacting multiple lives.

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The facts are what the facts are. But whatever bad decisions or stupidity was involved, he lost his life as a result, so piling criticism on top of that seems pretty callous.

I think ‘immature’ might be closer to the truth than ‘psychopathic’.

And I’ll point out that there’s a big difference in not being a fan of how someone ‘acts’ and actually knowing them. I like to think that none of us are one-dimensional cartoon characters and I am sure there was more to Dwayne Haskins than we are aware or willing to acknowledge.

It’s a sad story, regardless of anyone’s observations or criticisms.
 
I won't repeat my statements from the other thread since we now know the obvious, he was f'd up partying. I'd never heard K or Ketamine until I moved here in 2003, but I haven't heard of it in years I wonder if he thought it was cocaine and he wanted the upper from being out drinking, from what little I know Ketamine is a downer. When you're younger especially in South Fl, you can find trouble real easy, athletes aren't the only ones, young executives as well, lost many work associates to the booger sugar/booze life style over the years. Now who was the other woman, not even a care about that unless she gave him the drugs.
 
Answers some questions, but raises more questions.
With a BAC of between .20 and .24, along with the other drugs, and unable to cross a highway on foot, how on earth was he able to drive a car that far without incident ?
And his wife said she talked to him on the phone, as soon as he ran out of gas. She knows him better than anyone, so how did she not know by the sound of his voice, that he was terribly impaired, and that it wouldn't be a good idea for him to cross the highway like that ?
 
The one thing I was sick of hearing and it had nothing to do with Dwayne himself, was all of the NFL talking heads that spoke about how difficult his time in Washington was and how he was resurrecting his life and career in Pittsburgh.

What a load of crap.

Dwayne had trouble handling the pressure of being in the spotlight even though he said going into the draft that he craved being on the big stage, being the guy that made things happen.

He had his demons. And going to the Pittsburgh Steelers was no 'save the young man' episode where their saintly organization was turning lemons into lemonade for him.

His descent from starter in Washington to getting cut and going to Pittsburgh to be the #3 quarterback on a team with a noodle armed 39 year old Roethlisberger and Mason Rudolph was a linear progression but one of a a straight line downward.

Pittsburgh wasn't able to intervene any more effectively than Washington.
 
These details were inevitable. It doesn’t make it any less sad. There are a lot of people who think they are invincible. It’s not limited to athletes or even young people. Unfortunately, some don’t get a second chance after making a big mistake. Dwayne made a series of terrible decisions that night and sadly it cost him his life. This story still makes me sad, but what makes me more sad is knowing there are untold numbers of people who will go out and do the same thing tonight. It may or may not end in tragedy, but they will do things that put themselves in bad situation and not think twice about it.
 
We also forget that these players are still young men. I don’t know about you guys, but I did some very risky and foolish things in my early twenties. I think most do. Not excusing any of those behaviors, but it isn’t atypical …
 
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The facts are what the facts are. But whatever bad decisions or stupidity was involved, he lost his life as a result, so piling criticism on top of that seems pretty callous.

I think ‘immature’ might be closer to the truth than ‘psychopathic’.

And I’ll point out that there’s a big difference in not being a fan of how someone ‘acts’ and actually knowing them. I like to think that none of us are one-dimensional cartoon characters and I am sure there was more to Dwayne Haskins than we are aware or willing to acknowledge.

It’s a sad story, regardless of anyone’s observations or criticisms.
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I'll play Devil's Advocate, even if he was immature(a Peter Pan of sorts)...well he was immature enough to make sure he had no way to mature himself now. As when he was alive in Washington, Haskins had control of his situation and decided to not bother using it for his own benefit. He could have had more millions if he matured in time even as a "hardworking" backup qb. He'd still be alive if he matured at some point before he ultimately ended himself "accidentally". But now it's obvious that he was still up to his old shitck, as if not supplanting Rudolph, a bad qb, was already indicative of a lack of progress. Even for the more vain goals of making more money or humiliating those who "wronged" him, Haskins still did not mature and obtain "drive" in the workplace. Tom Brady has had an axe to grind since eternity and he himself mentioned the pick of Giovanni Carmazzi irking him then and still doing so now. Brady might be a bit of a psychopath too, but he's a workaholic, wanna prove people type of person.
There is nothing "sad" about Dwayne Haskins dying. Disappointing to some, shocking to others, but sad, nope. Not when he had control of his decisions and the resources to get a ride in some other way than trying to drive drunk on a busy highway.
This is not even taking account that he was a potent threat to others drinking and driving, and Haskins has already shown he...did...not...give...a...fuck if someone else is in danger with his head coach on chemo during a pandemic.

Not to mention he was technically down there for work, as Trubisky was hosting a camp of sorts to be some sort bonding experience. Getting drunk and impaired for the morning is not exactly conducive to work.

He died a fools death, and the only thing that is worth considering is how to protect fools from endangering himself or others the way he did without infringing on rights or triggering the taboo of presuming "guilty until proven not guilty". Preemptively mandating interlocks would not fly for those reasons. Haskins has dodged accountability until circumstances finally caught up to him.

Criticizing a dead person is only a violation of a social norm, not an establishment of something being non-factual.

Losing a life isn't worthy of full absolution, especially for psychopaths who are phsyically wired in a different way from everyone else so that they don't operate on the same planet as "normies" do. He was a drunk driver and a potential threat to someone else's life even if he didn't ended himself. No different than him hosting the little party when he got cut.

Someone like Noah Leotta is on the other side of people like Haskins: the ones who receive the hit from drunk drivers. Leotta happened to be a cop, and thus the public humiliation, along with being only 24, triggered a legislative change due to the public humiliation. Leotta was likely no saint, probably had a few skeltons in the closet, but in the end, he got ended by a drunk driver. The driver was "sentenced" to 10 years, but got out in half that time.


My conception of psychopath is not qutie whatever is the psychogoical definition. Psycopaths are charming, rational, and have superior social skills to those bound with conscience. The also are more "rational" about taking rewards irrespective of some moral obligation to not take that reward. The conduct of a car salesman or lawyer is representative of the "front" of the psychopath, but the difference between the psycho and just a trained piece of garbage is physical. The psychopath does not need to bury moral inhibitions because he has none to begin with.

The other aspect is that victims of his behavior are branded the "bad guys" and "immoral" for criticizing his misconduct while the psychopath wins the "moral high ground". Perhaps is a dentist "caring" about your health while misdiagnosing you with a straight face that you need root canal and crown when none is needed. To a neutral third party, the dentist has the favorable perception due to being a "professional" while the non-professional has the burden of proof to obtain another opinion.

Or simpler example is that someone shoplifts from a store with no inhibition. Then he gets caught and gets questioned. But the psycho will bring up a sob story such as poverty, difficult circumstances, etc.

This is why psychos get ahead, because social norms protects them at the expense of the potentially victimized.

Psychopaths are actually more likely to be nice guys and socially adept to others at the initial meeting. After all, since conscience is decoupled from conduct, it means everyone gets a nice smile, firm handshake, and full eye contact during the conversation, with lines that triggers the non-psycho to feel charmed and in awe.

The only thing Gil Brandt did wrong was violate social norms. Is he supposed to wipe his memory of all the actually scouting and observations he did on Haskins.

Psychopathy isn't about people murdering others. That's a grand fantasy people want to believe because most normal people do not want to admit most are nonviolent and actually "run the world" because they are actually more fit to do some of those jobs like politician, laywer, police, etc.

Yeah, there is some complexity. But I can grasp psychopathy because I likely have some wiring to it, but it's not active unless someone initially commits and immoral act against me.
 
Sorry - but you lost me at ‘there’s nothing sad about Dwayne Haskins dying’. I’ll leave it at that.
 
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Isn’t it possible that a kid whose parents and early coaches told him he was going to be a major star simply fell hard back to earth when he hit the NFL and the weight of those expectations?

Couldn’t he have been suffering from a severe depressive episode?
 
Bulldog said:
Isn’t it possible that a kid whose parents and early coaches told him he was going to be a major star simply fell hard back to earth when he hit the NFL and the weight of those expectations?

Couldn’t he have been suffering from a severe depressive episode?
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Not just possible, but a very reasonable assumption... because at this point, that's all any of us are doing... assuming
Nobody on this board knew him, or whatever demons he was facing. Chemicals can turn people into things they are not very quickly... with rationality usually being the first thing to go.

Usually those that are healthy in mind, don't get to the point Haskins was regarding the level of consumption. I'm assuming he was tormented on some level, whether it be mental affliction, or even chemical dependency. The two are not mutually exclusive, and in fact they very commonly go hand in hand. This was not being irresponsible, and having 1 too many at a bar... this was dangerous.

That doesn't mean it didn't START at that 'lower' level of immaturity, or irresponsible behavior, but he had levels that would put the overwhelming majority of functioning adults in a hospital.
 
Yep, .20 he’s lucky he didn’t kill someone else before he ran out of gas.
 
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