Redskins Add Raheem Morris to Coaching Staff

[Brander]

Come on Brander, all NFL teams sue fans who are delinquent on payments, but that's for another discussion.

While under contract with Snyder, Raheem Morris was hired by Shanahan and Allen. Now you are playing semantics.

I agree with you on this one BB. I like this hire and I am wondering if by the end of the year there aren't bigger plans in store for Coach Morris here in Washington.

Nope, not all NFL teams do that. Only the New England Patriots do it in some circumstances, the Chicago Bears say they have done it rarely and nine other teams said they didn't do it at all. Other clubs have not provided the info. on what they do, or don't do.
It ain't semantics either, it's business and business can be really brutal and unpredictable, i.e., Tampa got fined $100,000 by the NFL because Raheem Morris talked to two players during the lockout. He called Talib when he was arrested and called another to congratulate him over his new baby. That's business!

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[Burgundy Burner]

It may be admirable and it may just be prudent. Oral contracts are considered legally binding and when you look at it from that point of view did he even have a choice?

Not true. Oral contracts are binding only in implied situations where work will be done before payment/compensation is made. For example, an oral contract is implied when you place an order for food at a restaurant.

Student athletes make oral commitments long before signing day, but it is their prerogative to back out of that situation. The institution can do the same. Professional athletes and coaches can make a statment and say they are going to sign with a particular team, but it means nothing if they have second thoughts and sign elsewhere. Legal? Yes. Moral? No.

With that in mind, kudos to Coach Morris for keeping his word. That will serve him well in the future.

 

[Brander]

Not true. Oral contracts are binding only in implied situations where work will be done before payment/compensation is made. For example, an oral contract is implied when you place an order for food at a restaurant.

Student athletes make oral commitments long before signing day, but it is their prerogative to back out of that situation. The institution can do the same. Professional athletes and coaches can make a statment and say they are going to sign with a particular team, but it means nothing if they have second thoughts and sign elsewhere. Legal? Yes. Moral? No.

With that in mind, kudos to Coach Morris for keeping his word. That will serve him well in the future.

Oral contracts are legally binding though it may depend on the jurisdiction and whether a particular statute governs a particular situation. It is sometimes hard to prove the contract exists however.

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[Burgundy Burner]

Oral contracts are legally binding though it may depend on the jurisdiction and whether a particular statute governs a particular situation. It is sometimes hard to prove the contract exists however.

B.

Not so. If it was true, then some student athletes are in breach of contract. If you can show where one has been held to that standard, then show it.

Disclaimer. Contract law was a specialty and I had to know it backwards and forwards for business purposes.

 

[Ax]

Oral contract? Well, we just used to call it a....Oops! Wrong forum.

Never mind.

 

[Brander]

Not so. If it was true, then some student athletes are in breach of contract. If you can show where one has been held to that standard, then show it.

Disclaimer. Contract law was a specialty and I had to know it backwards and forwards for business purposes.

I would refer you to any legal dictionary on the subject but I will cite West's for you. My post is entirely correct. The student athletes to which you refer may well be in breach of contract IF someone wants to hold them to it unless the law in their specific jurisdiction states otherwise. But that is not what we were discussing. Here is what West's says on the subject:
"An oral contract is enforceable unless its subject matter comes within the statute of frauds, an English law adopted in the United States, that requires certain contracts to be in writing. For example, a contract to sell real property, to be enforceable, must be in writing to comply with the statute. An oral contract to sell personal property for an amount less than that set in the statute does not fall within its limits and, therefore, is enforceable without being reduced to a writing. The Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) governs the enforceability of oral contracts in sales transactions involving merchants."
Kim Basinger knows better than anyone:
"A famous example of the enforceability of an oral contract occurred in the 1990s when actress Kim Basinger backed out of her promise to star in Jennifer Lynch's film "Boxing Helena". A jury awarded the producers $8 million in damages. Basinger appealed the decision and later settled for a lower amount, but not before having to file bankruptcy."

http://www.answers.com/topic/oral-contract-2

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-03-25/news/mn-14793_1_kim-basinger

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[Burgundy Burner]

Thanks for proving my point and proving that you were/are wrong. You know, that part where it says "must be in writing..."

Read this carefully again - it came directly from your post.

"The Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) governs the enforceability of oral contracts in sales transactions involving merchants". In that paragraph, it was cited as the only example of an enforceable oral contract. Gosh, I didn't know that getting a coaching job was like ordering a salad. "Hello, I would like to order a coaching position with the Redskins". "Would you like some fries with that"? In that above quote, it was the only example given where an oral contract is enforceable. Are the Redskins selling (merchant) coaching positions? If so, please forgive me for not knowing.

Now, how much did it cost Raheem Morris to purchase that DB job?

This ought to be fun.

Again, I am waiting for one example of a student athlete who was held to an oral agreement. Just one. This is the closest thing to Raheem Morris's situation as we can see. Just one.

 

[Brander]

Thanks for proving my point and proving that you were/are wrong. You know, that part where it says "must be in writing..."

Read this carefully again - it came directly from your post.

"The Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) governs the enforceability of oral contracts in sales transactions involving merchants". In that paragraph, it was cited as the only example of an enforceable oral contract. Gosh, I didn't know that getting a coaching job was like ordering a salad. "Hello, I would like to order a coaching position with the Redskins". "Would you like some fries with that"? In that above quote, it was the only example given where an oral contract is enforceable. Are the Redskins selling (merchant) coaching positions? If so, please forgive me for not knowing.

Now, how much did it cost Raheem Morris to purchase that DB job?

This ought to be fun.

Again, I am waiting for one example of a student athlete who was held to an oral agreement. Just one. This is the closest thing to Raheem Morris's situation as we can see. Just one.

The part where it says it must be in writing is what you are misreading.
It says in fact "certain" one have to be in writing, not all. You missed that.
I don't think you are actually reading my posts and your conclusions make no sense. I'll refer you again to West's or any other legal dictionary. Sorry the cite I gave does not give that as the "only" enforceable oral contract. Otherwise, explain how Basinger lost her suit?? She had an oral agreement, yeah they are enforceable and it was for her services, NOT goods.
I don't know how you got the notion there is some equivalence between Morris' case and that of student athletes. You think the university can just back out?? Tell it to Northwestern University, they tried it with a student athlete and lost. And here the article on the very subject you seem pre-occupied with and consider well this quote:
"Many people mistakenly believe that oral agreements are not legally binding. It is true that oral agreements can often be harder to enforce than written contracts, but that’s largely because of the difficulty in proving that there was such an agreement.
“There are certain things you can’t contract for orally, but most types of agreements can be oral,” says Michael Glazier, Partner in the law firm of Bond, Schoeneck & King in Kansas City. “It’s just more difficult to prove that the agreement existed when it’s oral instead of in writing."
"The student athletes don't have much to worry about because courts are less likely to be sympathetic to a big university suing a kid for breach of contract."
That of course doesn't mean a breach didn't occur.
This article is right up your alley:
http://www.momentummedia.com/articles/am/am1303/word.htm
Oh, and just to be clear the article does give the case of a student athlete who sued Northwestern for not honoring their offer of a scholarship. And they did not have a written agreement.
Now what were you saying about how the "student athletes" and the "institution" can just back out??

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[Neophyte]

I think the point here is moot, gentlemen. Every report I have read about Raheem's agreement with the Redskins indicates that he can move on for a higher position, a stipulation that appears to be so common in the NFL as to be nearly assumed.

 

[McD5]

Depending on the success/lack of from Shanahan, Raheem could end up being our next HC.

 

[Fear The Spear]

Depending on the success/lack of from Shanahan, Raheem could end up being our next HC.

Let's pray that doesn't happen. And it should not likely happen.

The man not only failed miserably as a HC, but got demoted at least 2 notches in his next assignment.

 

[Brander]

I think the point here is moot, gentlemen. Every report I have read about Raheem's agreement with the Redskins indicates that he can move on for a higher position, a stipulation that appears to be so common in the NFL as to be nearly assumed.

How interesting. He's got an "out" in a one year contract? So much for his "admirable" rating. I wonder how focused he will be. Well, at least he won't be nervous reading the want ads out in the open at Redskins Park.

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[Neophyte]

Brander, I think he will be very focused. He got fired. Guys that get fired tend to work really hard to prove they still have whatever it was that got them to their last gig before getting fired.

And I have no problem with him having an out to take a higher position. I wouldn't sign a deal without that option either so why hold it against him? Besides, if true, it really does make him "admirable" because he could have walked on the Redskins to take the Vikes DC position without so much as a backward glance.

 

[Brander]

Brander, I think he will be very focused. He got fired. Guys that get fired tend to work really hard to prove they still have whatever it was that got them to their last gig before getting fired.

And I have no problem with him having an out to take a higher position. I wouldn't sign a deal without that option either so why hold it against him? Besides, if true, it really does make him "admirable" because he could have walked on the Redskins to take the Vikes DC position without so much as a backward glance.

That may be, we will find out in time though how important a db coach is to a team is debatable anyway. Yeah, he could have walked but he may just have decided the Vikes position was a lousy one and thought it's better to just wait for something else. It's hard to say what's in a man's heart or his mind, no one of us really knows.

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