Random Commanders Thoughts

I like Crowder as a receiver, and I know he had a big return Sunday. But his fielding of punts is pretty bad. He always looks shaky to me. And he let's too many hit the ground. including the turnover last week. I put that squarely on him. Should have never touched the ground.

Now, he did indeed make up for it. Put I'd still like to see someone else return, who looks more comfortable fielding punts.

Or, maybe we could have somebody else catch the ball, hand it to Gump, er um, Crowder, and tell him to run.
 
McCloughan has made it clear from day one he doesn't draft for need but for BPA. If Fuller goes on to become a fixture at CB in a year or two ... just sayin'.
 
True but you have to get something out of your drafts. There's no "hoping" they amount to something, they MUST amount to something. I'm beginning to think more and more Doctson is on fast track to be a wasted first round pick. Fuller was a swing and a miss. Didn't we draft a RB that is IR? We aren't doing too well imho.

Add to that free agency misses. Norman knocked on our door, that wasn't a GM coup. We lot two starters to IR Sunday. Attrition is not our best friend. We are light on RB and DL/LB. Still I am happy to see young guys playing and doing somewhat well. But its going to be a long long season I'm afraid. The silver lining is we will really get to evaluate the coaches.
 
micks,

"True but you have to get something out of your drafts. There's no "hoping" they amount to something, they MUST amount to something. I'm beginning to think more and more Doctson is on fast track to be a wasted first round pick. Fuller was a swing and a miss. Didn't we draft a RB that is IR? We aren't doing too well imho."


You don't think three games into their rookie seasons might be a little bit early to make these kinds of determinations?
 
This year' draft is not looking awesome. Especially compared to last year where we got four solid contributors right out of the gate.

That said, it's only been three games. The whole idea of a pipeline is that ideally you don't NEED your draft picks to jump in and be major contributors right away. They step up when the veteran in front of them retires or moves on, and then the draft pick behind them sits for awhile.

Hopefully guys like Fuller and Doctson will be ready to do that. If it takes a year or two that's not a bust.

Not as awesome as having guys jump right into the fray, but that's still the plan.

In theory. :)
 
Again, if Fuller had come in as a third or fourth round prospect the expectations would be lower.

But once it came out in the media that the front office looked at Fuller as a first round talent, you would figure he would be doing more than being on the scout team at this point of the season.

Dashaun Phillips is small and not talented enough to keep a legit blue chipper on the inactive list.
 
It came out in the media what? Who cares?

The team is ALWAYS gonna say they thought [insert player's name here] is really a better talent than his draft position and is secretly a big steal. When do they not say that?

I don't really care about team spin. Let's see where this guy is in a few years. Or hell, a few more games.
 
This is kinda cool. A "sights and sounds" video of the Giants game from the NY perspective ...

Sights and Sounds: Giants vs. Redskins

That gives a new angle to the Dunbar muffed punt, not seen before.
Dunbar was actually pushed onto the ball by a Giant player, so that should be Redskins' ball.
It's not the guy who's facing him - but a Giant comes from behind and intentionally pushes Dunbar on top of the ball. Surprised no-one has mentioned this.
 
I had that thought watching it the first time ... but the replays I saw on the broadcast didn't have the right angle, and the refs apparently didn't either. Would have made the start of the game a bit less gut-wrenching, anyway.
 
That gives a new angle to the Dunbar muffed punt, not seen before.
Dunbar was actually pushed onto the ball by a Giant player, so that should be Redskins' ball.
It's not the guy who's facing him - but a Giant comes from behind and intentionally pushes Dunbar on top of the ball. Surprised no-one has mentioned this.

The announcers mentioned it during the game. They said the Giants got a lucky call there and that is wasn't reviewable.

Of course they did. Jerks. :)
 
Oh ok I missed it since I didn't get audio on my game, since it was in a sports bar in enemy territory.

In this day and age, what kind of sports bar doesn't have a speaker box at each table..... just uncivilized.
 
The announcers mentioned it during the game. They said the Giants got a lucky call there and that is wasn't reviewable.

Of course they did. Jerks. :)
"Jerks"?

Lame, Henry. We're used to profanity-laced tirades from you at this point. Disappointing.

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McCloughan has made it clear from day one he doesn't draft for need but for BPA. If Fuller goes on to become a fixture at CB in a year or two ... just sayin'.

That sounds great in theory but it's also what's wrong with our defense and the reason why we haven't had any homegrown talent at DE or DT in 25 yrs.

There always seems to be a skill position player that's always rated better than a Dlineman.

The Redskins, no matter who's in the Front Office, always value skill players over trenches when it comes to defense....and it's tiring......especially when guys like Shane Vereen are getting 6-7 yards a carry running through the middle of our D.

When does the madness ever stop?
 
"Jerks"?

Lame, Henry. We're used to profanity-laced tirades from you at this point. Disappointing.

Probably exhausted from it all, by now.
Let the man take a breather, and take in some oxygen.

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"Jerks"?

Lame, Henry. We're used to profanity-laced tirades from you at this point. Disappointing.

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Its been a long day. :)

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micks,

"True but you have to get something out of your drafts. There's no "hoping" they amount to something, they MUST amount to something. I'm beginning to think more and more Doctson is on fast track to be a wasted first round pick. Fuller was a swing and a miss. Didn't we draft a RB that is IR? We aren't doing too well imho."


You don't think three games into their rookie seasons might be a little bit early to make these kinds of determinations?

I named three guys that are not available. They can't even get on the field. Yes its injury, but what do we gain stockpiling picks that can't get on the field? Delighted with Cravens though, that eases the pain somewhat.
 
That sounds great in theory but it's also what's wrong with our defense and the reason why we haven't had any homegrown talent at DE or DT in 25 yrs.

There always seems to be a skill position player that's always rated better than a Dlineman.

The Redskins, no matter who's in the Front Office, always value skill players over trenches when it comes to defense....and it's tiring......especially when guys like Shane Vereen are getting 6-7 yards a carry running through the middle of our D.

When does the madness ever stop?

This is required reading for every Redskins fan. It's not a criticism of anyone here at BGO or any other Redskins fan. It's just required reading.

Why Didn't Scot McCloughan Address Redskins Needs? Maybe He Wasn't Trying - Washington - Scout

Why Didn't Scot McCloughan Address Redskins Needs? Maybe He Wasn't Trying
Ben Standig
09/19/2016

We all know Scot McCloughan wants "football players" for his team. Thing is, the Redskins GM means broadly. At 0-2, many wonder why the focus wasn't on specific needs.

Overlooked amid talk of a struggling Kirk Cousins, Josh Norman's usage, too many fade patterns and this 0-2 start is this reality: The weaknesses/concerns with the Washington Redskins from last season remain. That means the defensive line, primarily. Also the run defense, pass rush and whatever was needed for the coaching staff to feel comfortable about their own run game.

It's not just that these issues remain. It's that they largely weren't addressed. The question is why.

Clinton Portis is wondering. "We didn’t address any of the issues we needed to address," the former Redskins runner-turned-analyst told the Washington Post's Dan Steinberg after the Redskins lost Sunday.

Theory: Despite winning the 2015 NFC East title, Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan did not alter his long-term plan of rebuilding . We just stopped listening.

There was a pennant to hang, but McCloughan wasn't ready to hang a "Mission Accomplished" banner. Last year's success surprised most. It didn't alter McCloughan's approach. Perhaps that's part vision, part not beating a team with a winning record. Perhaps that's why moves made during free agency and the NFL Draft were about the big picture rather than addressing those obvious needs.

That last line is key -- and a point McCloughan himself emphasized repeatedly. We just stopped listening.

Fans and analysts are conditioned to think that a front office, at least those not run by former 76ers GM Sam Hinkie, makes moves with the upcoming postseason in mind. That's especially true if said team just won its first division title since 2012.

Look at what the Redskins did this offseason and it would appear McCloughan does not agree.

“I preach and preach and preach and I’ll never change: you build through the draft,” he said on Redskins.com in March.

Yes, McCloughan signed Josh Norman to a massive contract, but that was a fluke situation. Carolina didn't cut ties with the Pro Bowl cornerback until the bulk of free agency passed. Norman, 28, also isn't an over-the-hill player joining a team not ready to win (That Donovan McNabb trade on the other hand...).


Everything else, low key maneuvers with a focus on depth, culture. The first three draft picks were players with desired upside, who didn't have a clear path to the starting lineup/major snaps and were targeted more for 2017.

There's nothing inherently wrong with that building blocks approach. In January 2015 such talk was like finding an oasis of logic after a decade-plus of walking through the cash burning desert of Ashburnistan. Now, it sounds quaint. Division title one year means eyes set on Lombardi Trophy contention the next, right?.

McCloughan, it appears, wasn't thinking so grand this off-season. He told us so. Here are several 2016 quotes from the Redskins general manager explaining his vision.

March 29. Pre-Draft Interview with Breaking Burgundy
"What I want to do is build through the draft no matter what," McCloughan said. "We'll sign some free agents, but it's character, it's a flair, it's the passion, it's the competitiveness. I don't need the biggest, fastest, strongest. I need football players."

* "We'll sign some free agents" here sounds like "I'll get to the gym right after I play a season of Madden 17 in franchise mode."

April 12. Pre-Draft Interview with Bleacher Report. On free agency vs. the draft:
"It’s a tool I like to use because you can address needs prior to the draft, but it’s not a long-term solution. I want to draft well and identify the guys are Redskins, not just as players, but as people. ...It’s all about the Redskins, it’s about passion, it’s about football and that’s when you start hitting on guys."

* If you preach the draft as McCloughan does relentlessly, then you cannot afford to create cap and depth chart roadblocks with numerous big dollar free agents. The idea of culture building also works best when you develop the players.

May 2. Post Draft Press Conference. Question - Was there a point in his career where maybe he didn't adhere to his often mentioned "I want Football Players" philosophy and it burned him which led to sticking with the plan regardless?:
“At a time when your roster is really strong and you’re a really good team, then you can start worrying about things on the back end. Right now, we’re going forward. We’re taking the best player and throwing them in there."

Scot McCloughan knows what he's doing. At least that's what the masses believe. "In Scot We Trust," and such. If that's true, then perhaps the only rational way to explain why he wasn't trying to fix the obvious needs this offseason is simple: He wasn't trying to, not yet.

After weeks talking about summer practices and position battles, about kicking soccer balls in Richmond and losing two straight in Landover, it's easy to forget about the McCloughan doctrine even when you wrote about it back in March:
Focus for many fans plus some in the media centers on the present. Does the team have enough this coming season to win games and lots of them? No doubt an important question, but not necessarily McCloughan's primary goal. He's not just building a roster, but a culture, a winner. Players will change over the years. That doesn't mean the tone should.

What the Redskins lost during all the years of adding hired guns was a true core. In the absence of stability, money dictated leadership roles and at times that meant some false prophets. By bringing together a group of kids, they can grow together, form a bond. McCloughan, the talent and character evaluator, will pick the group, plucking them ripe rather than invest heavily in those that have already fallen off of the tree.

McCloughan always told us he was in this for the long haul and not a quick fix. At some point we stopped listening, or at least that's one theory.
 

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