Random Commanders Thoughts

Goal - I love ya man, but you can take away everything associated with Spygate and Belichick is still dominant. It's not 'telling'. It's hard to win the Super Bowl. But look how many times they've won their division and been a SB contender since then.

Sorry, but your hate of the guy is blinding you on this one, and I think you'd admit that.

Of course it's clouding my view. I hate the man. There are very few people I get physically angry over, he is one. I detest him. A lot of why that is has to do with their perfect season beatdown of us, which showed me how classless and what a lowlife the man is. I realize that not every team can have a St Joe to root for, and I pity Pats fans for that. I would have to imagine it is harder than we think to root for a complete tool. Like I said before, what goes through the back of their minds...

But a lot of why I hate him is bound up in Spygate. I heard over and over that a lot of teams do that, it goes on more than you think, blah blah blah. Prove it. Shit, I even heard people tell me Joe Gibbs probably did the same thing. Prove it. The fact that Gibbs didn't have to stoop at all to cement his dynasty tells me a lot about our dynasty vs theirs. I'll take my three SBs and defend them to the death over the Pat's three anyday. I think ours were harder-won, honestly-won and we had the best single season team by far out of the six.

If your argument is that Belichick only cheated that one time, I'd say he lost the benefit of that doubt. He's a douchebag cheater, plain and simple. He can't hold a candle to Gibbs as a man, which is much more important than his coaching ability. I remember showing my son Gibbs's picture when he was 5 and telling him that was a great role model. You think Pats fans can do that?

Getting worked up now, I'm going to remove myself before I say something I'll regret. I am more than a little surprised to hear Redskins fans tell me Belichick is a better coach than Gibbs though.
 
Another thing. I still don't know why Joe gets flack for the strike shortened seasons?

The whole league was on strike,right? So everybody had the same conditions placed upon them, right?

Joe and Bobby just managed it better than anybody else. That's just another feather in his cap, IMO .
 
I don't know if the shortened season matters, but I think it's as simple as that - fewer games to get to the big show. I don't necessarily buy that, but I think that's why some people want to put an asterisk by it.

I think Belichick's record probably surpasses Gibbs. But he's also had a HOF QB at the helm the whole way. I wonder what Joe could've done with a guy like Brady for a decade? Quite a bit I imagine. I think Belichick gets the nod just on sheer volume of wins and championships (as it takes more than just a great QB). That's not taking anything away from Joe Gibbs.

All of these kinds of discussions include a hundred different factors. It's like comparing boxers across generations - you really can't rank them with any certainty as each dealth with different variables. Anyway, not trying to get anyone's panties in a wad. I think Gibbs should always be in the discussion as one of the 'greats', and I think Belichick has to be in the discussion as one of the all time greats. Just my opinion.
 
If you weren't a mod, I'd request a banning......

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Shit's getting real!
 
I hear ya about the QB Boone.

I've often wondered just how many rings Joe would have had we selected Marino instead of Green?

I'd say more than three..... :)
 
One thing I def agree on is Bellishit will do anything for an edge. Hell take last week's game against the rat birds with the formation lineup. That has Harbaugh still fuming, not that I care about his feelings tho, lol.

Dude has won a ton of games and showing ZERO humility doing it too. Shit I still hate them for the 52-7 run up on Gibbs.
 
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I'm with Goal on this one.

Give Gibbs the same amount of time with a Marino or a Brady and he wins at least seven SBs and possibly as many as ten. That is not an exaggeration. Take Brady away and give Bellibutt the same QBs that Gibbs had and he is closer to what he did in Cleveland.
 
What belichek did lots of teams had done it prior at least one coach admitted he tried it for awhile but felt it didn't give any advantages
wether he wins another superbowl his record post spygate is better than pre spygate
 
Belichick has Spygate hanging over his legacy, no matter what happens. In my mind, he is automatically lowered to the next tier because of it.

I know I'm slightly biased (just a touch), but I think Gibbs beats out the rest because he never had a prototypical franchise QB, or anything approaching that level of QB play. What he got out of what he had to work with was truly remarkable. Imagine if he'd had Montana to work with? Sheesh.

And as an aside, DP, I feel my blood pressure rise when national media types talk about this and the greatest teams ever and fail to mention the 91 Skins. Here's the quick blurb on Wiki:



I'm sorry, but the '85 Bears and the '00 Ratbirds don't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as that team. And yet they are. It's enough to make me start drinking. More, I mean.

Abso-freakin'-loutely Goal. The '91 Skins were one of the most overwhelmingly dominant teams in the history of the NFL. Mike Fransden, a correspondent for Bleacher Report rated his top 5 all-time Superbowl teams and the '91 Redskins are his #1 choice and he tells why in this article he wrote back in 2013.


In an era with Super Bowl teams that have shoddy defenses, inconsistent ground attacks and mediocre records, it’s easy to forget that decades ago, many Super Bowl teams not only had outstanding individual units but were balanced in every area. In fact, five of the greatest Super Bowl teams of all time played in the 20 years from 1972 to 1991.

The somewhat subjective rankings are:

1991 Washington Redskins
1985 Chicago Bears
1972 Miami Dolphins
1989 San Francisco 49ers
1978 Pittsburgh Steelers

Twenty years ago, the greatest team of the Super Bowl era, the 1991 Washington Redskins, dominated the league from start to finish. The 1985 Chicago Bears had the most stifling defense, while the 1989 San Francisco 49ers possessed an unstoppable offense. The 1978 Pittsburgh Steelers were balanced on both sides of the ball as were the 1972 undefeated Miami Dolphins, but the Redskins faced a tougher schedule than all of them.

The Redskins of 20 years ago aren’t usually regarded as the best team of the Super Bowl era, and part of that is because of the quarterback, Mark Rypien. Though Rypien had a mostly pedestrian career, he did have a truly great season in 1991, and the numbers prove that. Rypien, an excellent deep passer, threw for 28 touchdowns, second in the NFL.

Rypien was second in passer rating, and he threw 14 TDs of 25 yards or more, most in the NFL. Rypien led the NFL in yards per pass-completion, ahead of Hall of Famers Steve Young, Jim Kelly, John Elway, Dan Marino and Warren Moon. Plus, Rypien’s 28 TDs were nearly twice as many as Bears quarterback Jim McMahon’s greatest single-season output of 15.

Gary Clark watches Art Monk's Hall of Fame induction ceremony in 2008. Both Monk and Clark had more than 1,000 yards receiving in 1991. Photo by Mike Frandsen.

Washington had a strong running attack with Earnest Byner, Ricky Ervins and Gerald Riggs combining for nearly 2,000 yards and 19 touchdowns. Byner was the workhorse, Ervins provided elusiveness, and Riggs served as the short yardage back. Incredibly, the posse, Hall of Famer Art Monk, Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders, combined for more than 3,000 yards receiving.

Most impressively, the 1991 version of the Hogs allowed Rypien to be sacked only nine times all season. The feat is even more remarkable because Rypien was anything but a mobile quarterback. The Hogs’ only Hall of Famer, left guard Russ Grimm, was a backup to Raleigh McKenzie that season. The two best linemen on the team were tackles Jim Lachey and Joe Jacoby. Brian Mitchell ran back two punts for touchdowns to lead Washington’s excellent special teams, and kicker Chip Lohmiller made the Pro Bowl.

The 1991 Redskins led the league in points and were second in points allowed. Washington sacked quarterbacks 50 times, dominating both lines of scrimmage. Defensive end Charles Mann, linebackers Wilber Marshall and Andre Collins and Hall of Fame cornerback Darrell Green led a Redskins defense that held opponents to 14 points per game and shut out three opponents.

Of the five teams listed here, the 17-2 Redskins had the greatest point differential, outscoring opponents during the regular season by an average margin of victory of 16.3 points, slightly higher than that of the 1985 Bears (16.1). Washington also had the toughest schedule of the five teams, with an opponents’ winning percentage of .529.

Left tackle Jim Lachey anchored a Redskins offensive line that gave up only nine sacks in 1991. Photo by Mike Frandsen.

The Redskins swept the 1990 Super Bowl champion New York Giants. They split with the Dallas Cowboys, who went on to win the Super Bowls after the 1992 and 1993 seasons. Washington also defeated Buddy Ryan’s Philadelphia Eagles, who possessed one of the greatest defensive lines in NFL history.

At 11-0 the Redskins slipped up against Dallas by three points. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones credits that win with giving the Cowboys the confidence to begin their Super Bowl run. The Redskins’ other loss was to Philadelphia in the final game of the year when the Redskins pulled their starters.

The Redskins beat the Atlanta Falcons 56-17 during the regular season and 24-7 in the first round of the playoffs when Deion Sanders returned from injury. The Redskins defeated the second-best team in the NFC, the Detroit Lions, 45-0 during the regular season and 41-10 in the NFC Championship game, holding Barry Sanders to 44 yards rushing. The Lions were 13-3 when they didn’t face the Redskins.

In the Super Bowl, Washington dominated Buffalo, 37-24, but it wasn’t that close. Washington led 24-0 in the third quarter. It was the Bills’ second of four consecutive Super Bowls, and Buffalo featured Hall of Famers Kelly, Thurman Thomas, James Lofton and Bruce Smith. The Redskins held Thomas, the NFL MVP, to 13 yards on 10 carries. The Redskins never trailed in any of their playoff games.

If there’s one other team that can stake a claim to the number one spot, it’s the 1985 Chicago Bears. They finished 18-1, may have had the best defense of all time and outscored playoff opponents 91-10. Ryan’s swarming "46" defense had 64 sacks and held opponents to 12.4 points per game.

The Bears had two regular season shutouts and two playoff shutouts, defeating the Giants 21-0 and the Rams 24-0 before thrashing the Patriots, 46-10. The 1985 Bears had four players named to the Hall of Fame, including running back Walter Payton, defensive linemen Richard Dent and Dan Hampton and linebacker Mike Singletary. The Bears also featured nine Pro Bowlers, five on defense.

Gary Clark had 70 catches for 1,340 yards and 10 TDs in 1991.



So why aren’t the 1985 Bears the best team of the Super Bowl era? The 1991 Redskins had eight Pro Bowlers and three Hall of Famers in Monk, Grimm and Green, but could easily have had more. Lachey and Jacoby were more dominant than Grimm, Clark had similar statistics to those of Hall of Famer Michael Irvin, and Mann was just as good as Hampton.

People remember the Bears more because they were the more glamorous team. They developed a Super Bowl music video, they used gimmicks such as lining up William “Refrigerator” Perry in the backfield and McMahon seemingly had a controversy per week. The bluster from Bears coach Mike Ditka and defensive coordinator Buddy Ryan also gained headlines. Finally, the Bears versus Dolphins game on December 2, 1985 was the highest-rated game in Monday Night Football history. Though the Bears lost 38-24, the publicity from the game etched them into the public consciousness.

While the Bears finished 15-1, the teams they faced had a combined winning percentage of .473. No other teams in the NFC Central Division finished above .500. Also, although the Bears routed the Patriots in the Super Bowl, New England was a non-descript team that finished 11-5 in the regular season. Patriots quarterback Tony Eason threw more interceptions than touchdowns during the regular season – 17 to 11.

Speaking of interceptions, the Bears threw just 17 touchdowns and 16 interceptions, while the Redskins threw 30 touchdowns with just 11 interceptions.

Payton, one of the best running backs in NFL history, led a potent rushing attack for the Bears with 1,551 yards on the ground and nine touchdowns. But the Bears’ weakness was that they were somewhat one-dimensional on offense. Chicago’s starting wide receivers, Willie Gault and Dennis McKinnon, combined for just 64 catches for 1,259 yards and eight touchdowns.

Walter Payton of the 1985 Chicago Bears was one of the greatest running backs of all time.



Clark out-performed them himself with 70 catches for 1,340 yards and 10 touchdowns. Monk also had more than 1,000 yards receiving. So the Redskins were a much more balanced team even though the Bears had the better defense. But the gap between the defenses wasn’t as great as is perceived – Washington surrendered 14 points a game, just slightly more than the Bears’ 12.4.

Who would have won between the 1985 Bears and 1991 Washington Redskins? We’ll never know, but Gibbs was 5-3 against Ditka in his career. Though the Bears defeated the Redskins in the playoffs in 1984, Washington knocked Chicago out of the playoffs in both 1986 and 1987. In 1986, Richie Petitbon’s Redskins defense held Payton to 38 yards on 14 carries in the playoffs, and the Bears had no answer for Monk and his two touchdowns. Gibbs was also 8-3 against Ryan, who coached Philadelphia from 1986 to 1990.

Coached by the legendary Don Shula, the 1972 Miami Dolphins are the only NFL team to ever go through a season undefeated. They beat the Redskins 14-7 in the Super Bowl. Larry Csonka and Mercury Morris became the first running back tandem to each go over 1,000 yards in the same season. Linebacker Nick Buoniconti led the Dolphins’ no-name defense. The Dolphins were so good that they went 9-0 with backup quarterback Earl Morrall after Bob Griese led them to a 5-0 start. Griese came back from injury to start the Super Bowl, and the rest was history. The Dolphins played a weak schedule, however, with their opponents’ winning percentage at .367.

The 1989 San Francisco 49ers, led by Joe Montana and Jerry Rice, finished 17-2 and dominated John Elway and the Denver Broncos in the Super Bowl, 55-10. The 49ers lost two games by five points total. They were stacked at the skill positions, with running back Roger Craig and receiver John Taylor. Safety Ronnie Lott and linebacker Charles Haley anchored a defense that finished third in the NFL in points allowed. The 49ers outscored their opponents by nearly 12 points per game in the regular season.

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Chicago Bears defensive end Richard Dent had 17 sacks in 1985.



The 1978 Pittsburgh Steelers finished 17-2 in defeating the Dallas Cowboys 35-31 in the Super Bowl. They had Pro Bowlers representing each unit of the team: quarterback Terry Bradshaw, running back Franco Harris, receiver Lynn Swann, center Mike Webster, defensive end L.C. Greenwood, defensive tackle Joe Greene, linebackers Jack Ham and Jack Lambert, cornerback Mel Blount and safety Donnie Shell. Seven of those players, plus receiver John Stallworth, went onto the Hall of Fame. In the playoffs they defeated Earl Campbell and the Houston Oilers and Roger Staubach, Tony Dorsett and the Cowboys. However, their opponents’ winning percentage was .449, and their point differential of 10.1 was significantly less than that of the 1991 Redskins and 1985 Bears.

All five teams on the list can stake a claim to being the greatest team of the Super Bowl era. In fact, several other Super Bowl champs would assert that they were the best. But the dominance the 1991 Redskins and 1985 Bears displayed came in an era of more parity than there had been in the 1970s, when the haves and have-nots were more distinguishable. What the Redskins and Bears did by defeating their opponents by an average of 16 points a game was spectacular. The Redskins get the slight edge because of their balanced offense, which included a deep passing game that the Bears could not match.

That team gave me chills watching it. They were complete and superior on both offense and defense at a level I had never seen before. my all time favorite Redskins player, Art Monk came from them, my all time favorite Redskins team.
 
If true, looks like a good move to me. More help and all in the family.

JsteelzHttr24-7 ‏@JsteelznSkins
Brian Callahan will be named QB coach at somepoint.. @TMM75 @Chris_Worthy_ partners in crime lol
 
Denver Broncos: Brian Callahan

Brian Callahan enters his fifth season on the Denver Broncos’ coaching staff in 2014, currently serving as an offensive assistant. He was originally hired by the team on Feb. 22, 2010.

Callahan has eight total years of coaching experience, including two seasons at UCLA following his playing career at the school as a quarterback.

He assisted with an offensive unit in 2013 that set the NFL single-season record for points scored (606) and touchdown passes (55) en route to the team’s third consecutive AFC West title and an appearance in Super Bowl XLVIII. Quarterback Peyton Manning earned his fifth Most Valuable Player Award as the Broncos led the league in yards per game (457.3).

In 2012, the Broncos ranked fourth in the NFL in total offense (397.9 ypg) and topped the 30-point mark in a league-high 11 contests.

Prior to Manning’s arrival in Denver, Callahan helped coach an offensive unit that led the NFL with a club-record 164.5 rushing yards per game in 2011 while the Broncos won their first AFC West title in six seasons.

Callahan had an extensive role instructing the team’s running backs during the last four games of the 2010 campaign when Running Backs Coach Eric Studesville was named interim head coach. His guidance helped Denver’s running game post the NFL’s largest second-half improvement in yards per carry (1.8) over the last eight games of the season.

He spent the previous two years at Junipero Serra High School in San Mateo, Calif. Coaching quarterbacks for the school in 2008, Callahan tutored San Mateo County and WCAL Player of the Year Cody Jackson, who earned a scholarship to play at Army after leading the conference in completions, passing yards and touchdowns that season.

Callahan began his coaching career at UCLA in 2006 as a graduate assistant in the Bruins’ football operations department and also helped coach the defense. In 2007, he worked with the team’s wide receivers and was responsible for breaking down UCLA opponent game video, aiding coaches with game preparation, directing the defensive scout team and breaking down opponents’ special teams units.

A former walk-on quarterback at UCLA who earned a scholarship, Callahan appeared in all 13 games as a holder on the field goal and extra point units for the Bruins as a senior. He received a bachelor’s degree in sociology from UCLA in 2006 before earning a master’s degree in education from the school in 2008.

During his prep career at De La Salle High School in Concord, Calif., Callahan was part of the school’s national-record 151-game winning streak and was teammates with several future NFL players. He was a two-year letterwinner as a quarterback who shared in De La Salle’s No. 1 national ranking from USA Today.

Born on June 10, 1984, in Champaign, Ill., Callahan served as a co-chairman of the Bruin Athletic Council for two years and played on the UCLA club ice hockey team following his senior year of football. His father, Bill, is the offensive coordinator and offensive line coach for the Dallas Cowboys and has served as the head coach for the Oakland Raiders and the University of Nebraska. He is married to a former Denver Broncos cheerleader, Allyson.

COACHING EXPERIENCE

Denver Broncos
Offensive Assistant 2013-14
Quality Control-Offense 2011-12
Coaching Assistant 2010

Junipero Serra High School (Calif.)
Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks 2009
Quarterbacks 2008

UCLA
Graduate Assistant 2006-07
 
Don't put any stock in this jsteelz cat, but if somehow true, maybe some of Peyton rubbed off on him(cause I doubt he was teaching him anything) and he can relay it to our QBs.
 
Don't put any stock in this jsteelz cat, but if somehow true, maybe some of Peyton rubbed off on him(cause I doubt he was teaching him anything) and he can relay it to our QBs.

I'd give him a 5 on a scale of 1-10 in terms of predictions. Maybe a 6.
 
Random Thought...

Something that has been on my mind lately, that's been bugging me.

All the playoff action going on and the sports talk radio shows get around to talking about the records of the coaches and who's currently the best, which devolves into the greatest coaches of all time......and Joe Gibbs never...I mean NEVER, gets mentioned in the conversation.

Why is that? I listen to a little bit of everybody on Sat. radio...ESPN,NFL, Mad Dog, etc. They'll talk about Belichick,Noll, Walsh, Landry, Parcells....No Gibbs.

Yesterday, on Schien on Sports, he was talking about Belichick and about how he turned the roster over and sustained success and that no other coach has been able to do that.

I about run off the road! Especially when callers we're agreeing with him!

I'm talking to the radio in the truck: "Three SB wins with three different QBs and RBs! Our defensive personnel turned over between 82 and 91! You people are idiots!!!"

Sooooo, in your opinion, why is it that Joe never gets a mention when the subject of great coaches comes up?

I need a drink. Bloody Mary's anyone?

Anyone mentioning Landry and Parcells without mentioning Gibbs is just lazy and clueless. In the same relative time period, Landry 2 SB wins, Parcells 2SB wins, Gibbs 3 SB wins. Landry was in Dallas even longer than the other two and only won 2 SBs. And as others have mentioned, what Gibbs did with the scabs was nothing short of remarkable. That included beating the Landry led cowboys with most of their starters, while the Redskins had zero starters playing.

As for Belichick, what the guy has done is unprecedented in the salary cap era. Love him or hate him, I would take him over any coach the Redskins have had since Gibbs retired the first time. That includes the Gibbs II stint. He may be a jerk and he may be a prick, but he knows how to win football games.
 
I'd give him a 5 on a scale of 1-10 in terms of predictions. Maybe a 6.

Steelz is just like the others. They all have very real contacts. The information they make public usually turns out to be accurate. They're not making predictions, they're being fed information.
 
There are a few guys on Twitter who clearly have insider contacts (or who may BE insiders). There are also a couple who people think have insider information who are absolute frauds. They (and I) know who they are :)

BB - saying that without Brady, Belichick would be 'like he was in Cleveland' isn't supportable. He definitely took a little while to develop into the head coach he eventually became, but even at Cleveland, he had an 11 win season and went to the division championship game - with CLEVELAND. When Brady went down for the year, you wouldn't have known it, as he did the same thing with Matt-freaking-Cassel that he does with Brady every year. Who's to say it's not Bill Belichick who made Tom Brady, rather than the assumption that it's the reverse? And I'll turn the talent on you - Belichick's won more games with less talent (outside the QB position) than any other coach. Anyone arguing that Brady is the reason Belichick is a HOF coach, I just have to call bullshit on that. Sorry.
 
There are a few guys on Twitter who clearly have insider contacts (or who may BE insiders). There are also a couple who people think have insider information who are absolute frauds. They (and I) know who they are :)

I would certainly hope that they know they're frauds. They are generally asshats as well.

I was so much more interested in the topic of the QB coach, than I was McD5's source/prediction rating of a twitter account.

Most people seemed to agree that Gruden had too much on his plate. Some thought that his ego would not allow for a QB coach even though he spoke about it himself. Overall it is obviously a good idea.

If indeed he is a candidate for the position, there's not much of a history for this kid to evaluate one way or another. Son of a successful coach is a plus. Played the position himself. And as was mentioned, I can't imagine working with Peyton Manning daily in any capacity is a bad thing.
 
Shoot, if he can relay Peyton's study habits alone to Bob & Kirk that'd be plenty.
 

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