PFT: Washington may be in the Mariota business

It's not a slander attack. And yes, tons of players are suing the league right now, including some Redskins.

I don't blame him for suing. I expect it.

Just a prediction that the Skins will cut him a check for Shanny leaving him in the game.

RG3 will say it destroyed his football career, any chance of going back to a track career.....etc. The Skins will deny it, say he wanted to play.....etc

And then they will cut him a check. Only time will tell if I'm right or not.
 
you have no idea if he would do that or not....just drama
 
Look, I didn't see any of the games McCoy played in. I didn't see the Dallas game. I heard he threw one pass that was really, really great. And that's really really great.

But I do still know a thing or two about the nature of an NFL franchise. And one thing I do still know is that backups, especially young guys, have this habit of coming in and playing fantastic for a game or two. I think its a mixture of 'he doesn't know what he doesn't know' coupled with 'there's no pressure on me so what the hell' sprinkled with a dash of 'the opposing team didn't game plan for me.'

But whatever the case, from Mitchell to Cassell to Feeley to Kolb to Frerotte to McCown ... backups look fresh and full of energy all the time. That's not anything knew, and in most cases it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot. I will be shocked and amazed if McCoy turns out to be our next star QB, and I don't think him out-performing Griffin for a few games means all that much.

Since he's been re-signed, my uninformed hunch is Gruden will tap him to start relatively soon into the next season. Hopefully they won't get married, because in my opinion that would doom the Redskins to 7-8 wins until one or both of them get fired.
 
Total speculation.

But several Redskins are suing the league right now for injuries.

Just something I expect to see in the future. I hope I'm wrong, but I'd say the chances are very real.
 
Henry said:
Look, I didn't see any of the games McCoy played in. I didn't see the Dallas game. I heard he threw one pass that was really, really great. And that's really really great.

But I do still know a thing or two about the nature of an NFL franchise. And one thing I do still know is that backups, especially young guys, have this habit of coming in and playing fantastic for a game or two. I think its a mixture of 'he doesn't know what he doesn't know' coupled with 'there's no pressure on me so what the hell' sprinkled with a dash of 'the opposing team didn't game plan for me.'

But whatever the case, from Mitchell to Cassell to Feeley to Kolb to Frerotte to McCown ... backups look fresh and full of energy all the time. That's not anything knew, and in most cases it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot. I will be shocked and amazed if McCoy turns out to be our next star QB, and I don't think him out-performing Griffin for a few games means all that much.

Since he's been re-signed, my uninformed hunch is Gruden will tap him to start relatively soon into the next season. Hopefully they won't get married, because in my opinion that would doom the Redskins to 7-8 wins until one or both of them get fired.
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I understand your point - but he played very well. Another explanation might be that WRs were open, he hit them, and he executed the offense Griffin appeared hapless at executing at times. I didn't make the argument he was the future. My counter point if what you are pitching was the case (the backup phenomenon) would be, if it's so easy for a backup to come in and light it up, why is a #2 franchise pick struggling so mightily?

It is amazing to me that there are so many varying opinions on what has happened to Griffin, almost no two takes exactly alike. They only thing they all have in common is that no one seems 100% sure as to why his star has fallen faster than Pee Wee Herman at the movies.
 
Henry said:
Look, I didn't see any of the games McCoy played in. I didn't see the Dallas game. I heard he threw one pass that was really, really great. And that's really really great.

But I do still know a thing or two about the nature of an NFL franchise. And one thing I do still know is that backups, especially young guys, have this habit of coming in and playing fantastic for a game or two. I think its a mixture of 'he doesn't know what he doesn't know' coupled with 'there's no pressure on me so what the hell' sprinkled with a dash of 'the opposing team didn't game plan for me.'

But whatever the case, from Mitchell to Cassell to Feeley to Kolb to Frerotte to McCown ... backups look fresh and full of energy all the time. That's not anything knew, and in most cases it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot. I will be shocked and amazed if McCoy turns out to be our next star QB, and I don't think him out-performing Griffin for a few games means all that much.

Since he's been re-signed, my uninformed hunch is Gruden will tap him to start relatively soon into the next season. Hopefully they won't get married, because in my opinion that would doom the Redskins to 7-8 wins until one or both of them get fired.
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Well, I don't know that any of us fell in love with McCoy. We just noted how different the offense looked, overall, when he or Cousins were in the game. You could actually see how the plays were supposed to work, even when the didn't ...

And frankly, I doubt Jay is in love with the guy either. But at least with him he knows the offense is likely to run the play that is called in some fashion resembling what was drawn up. I don't think he saw that happen enough under Robert to feel comfortable heading into a season with just his mercurial starter and a promising but possibly skittish Cousins.

The last thing I think Jay or any of us want to see is McCoy starting games again this year.
 
I'm not sure about that. Jay started colt even with a neck injury. It felt like he did it just so he wouldn't have to play Griffin. Let's hope that doesn't happen again
 
I'm not afraid of McCoy playing. Id rather have a limited QB who can execute the plays than an all world athlete who can't. Don't get me wrong, nothing would make me happier than to see Griffin become the QB we all thought he might be. But if he can't, let someone who can run the offense have the reins.
 
I didn't mean to imply that anyone here thinks McCoy is our future. I don't think anyone thinks that.

Except maybe Gruden.

I was just trying to explain why a backup may have looked more comfortable than a starter for a few games. It happens all the time.
 
Have we heard any reliable intel on what Robert has been doing the past couple months to prepare?
 
He's training right now and is about to hold a camp with the receivers from what I've heard.
 
Henry said:
I also think that Russell Wilson runs the read option just fine.
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Problem with this statement is, it's not the main focus of that offense...he uses it at certain points in the game where the defense is focused on either Marshawn Lynch or a deeper threat.
 
MikeSr619 said:
Nope, they blamed a 22 year old kid for trying to play thru his pain and go back in.
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Just to be clear, my argument has mostly been that Robert has admitted he was not completely ready to come back in after the Browns game that had Kirk throw for a career day. He should have sat the rest of the season and his insistence he was fine and the fact he wasn't was his responsibility.

I do think he bears responsibility in that playoff game as well, he pleaded with Trent Williams not to say anything to the coaches about how bad the injury was...and yes, Shanahan should have seen it and yanked him.

I would give up that one playoff appearance in a heart beat for a young QB who was able to repeat what he did during that season, before he was hurt against the Ravens. He should have been honest about the extent of his injury. You could see in the Dallas game the week before he was wobbling.
 
He's a 22 year old rookie phenom who had the nfl shook with his skills. He was trying all he could to stay in and win the game. I don't blame him.

22. How mature were we at 22? I know I did shit that should have killed me in my early 20s. I think we assume these guys coming in to the league are somehow more mature than any normal 22 year old is just because they interview well and are now millionaires.

I'd give it up, too. But I blame the crotchety old man who's now burning every person in this organization because of his ego over a 22 year old
 
MikeSr619 said:
He's a 22 year old rookie phenom who had the nfl shook with his skills. He was trying all he could to stay in and win the game. I don't blame him.

22. How mature were we at 22? I know I did shit that should have killed me in my early 20s. I think we assume these guys coming in to the league are somehow more mature than any normal 22 year old is just because they interview well and are now millionaires.

I'd give it up, too. But I blame the crotchety old man who's now burning every person in this organization because of his ego over a 22 year old
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Like I said...he should not have been allowed to come back in for the rest of the season after the Ravens game, that is where Shanahan went wrong. And that self-centeredness that had Robert pleading with Trent Williams to remain silent was the same attitude that he has held onto since...he is in the business of RG3, not the Washington Redskins.
 
Some call it self centeredness, some call it a passion to lay it all out and fight til the death for your team
 
MikeSr619 said:
Some call it self centeredness, some call it a passion to lay it all out and fight til the death for your team
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I understand the warrior mentality, as well as the self-centered mentality, been both. I have played through pain, luckily never to the detriment of my team.

However, humility is knowing when you are not capable of performing and sitting down. No one would have questioned him if he'd come out of that game...or sat the rest of the season. He was thinking short term and it's about as much as I have seen from him in his tenure with the Redskins. He thinks short term...can't see the whole picture. That has done this team no good, unless you're happy with just one playoff appearance from the investment we made in him.
 
You can't be humble when you're trying to be a star. They all have a cockiness to them and arrogance.

One game at a time...

I dunno..I see both sides but I don't hold a 22 year old that responsible for making immature mistakes.
 
Elephant said:
I understand the warrior mentality, as well as the self-centered mentality, been both. I have played through pain, luckily never to the detriment of my team.

However, humility is knowing when you are not capable of performing and sitting down. No one would have questioned him if he'd come out of that game...or sat the rest of the season. He was thinking short term and it's about as much as I have seen from him in his tenure with the Redskins. He thinks short term...can't see the whole picture. That has done this team no good, unless you're happy with just one playoff appearance from the investment we made in him.
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I just don't see that as a quality that is nurtured in NFL athletes. The only difference between Griffin and nearly every other player out there is he got punished for it. They are effectively taught for their entire playing careers that if they don't play hurt, they will likely lose their jobs.

I can see holding is feet to the fire for many other things, but calling an NFL player egotistical for staying in is not realistic. I know I don't like the system that creates it, but that is how they are trained to be. How many players lose everything for going out of a game hurt? Why would they think anybody had their back if they did so? With how Jay Cutler was treated for doing so, can you blame anybody for refusing to do so?

Humility is not something Cutler would ever be accused of, and he pulled himself out. There are many other players I have seen do it, and it was pretty much always a negative to their career. Get on Griffin for his branding and demands made by all means, but there is no point to holding him staying in against him. That is completely on the coach and medical staff.
 
Shi no Tenshi said:
I just don't see that as a quality that is nurtured in NFL athletes. The only difference between Griffin and nearly every other player out there is he got punished for it. They are effectively taught for their entire playing careers that if they don't play hurt, they will likely lose their jobs.

I can see holding is feet to the fire for many other things, but calling an NFL player egotistical for staying in is not realistic. I know I don't like the system that creates it, but that is how they are trained to be. How many players lose everything for going out of a game hurt? Why would they think anybody had their back if they did so? With how Jay Cutler was treated for doing so, can you blame anybody for refusing to do so?

Humility is not something Cutler would ever be accused of, and he pulled himself out. There are many other players I have seen do it, and it was pretty much always a negative to their career. Get on Griffin for his branding and demands made by all means, but there is no point to holding him staying in against him. That is completely on the coach and medical staff.
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Huge difference between being self-centered and egotistical.

Robert is self-centered...most of what he does is to elevate himself, sometimes to the detriment of the whole, but I don't doubt he is a nice guy.

Cutler is egotistical...he's a dick. Always about him, and **** you if it's not.
 
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