PFT: Washington may be in the Mariota business

1) Folks act like Lewis had nothing to do with what unfolded in Cincy.

2) I didn't find that offense so spectacular. per previous, it routinely fell on its face in the playoffs. why would that be? the talent? or coaches being out thought and out-strategized by opposing coaches?

not you...but the meme here has to be consistent: either we hired this guy who was wonderfully successful at professional football or not. we can't say he's a proven winner BUUUUUUUUT he's a rookie coach and so is granted special dispensation for all his bad decisions...he's just "learning".

Fan.....are you trying to say that because Bengals could not win the playoffs because Gruden sucks plain and simple???? You totally ignore the fact that their division rivals routinely contend for a Superbowl? Pullllleaaaze. The Ravens and Steelers are always contenders and Bengals have been fighting just to avoid early elimination. Gruden specifically has given them a chance to win the division in a very very difficult, if not the most difficult division in the NFL.

I'll write off that oversight as attributable to your spin doctoring Gruden hate.

Secondly, any rookie head coach goes through the growing pains. please don't make me pull the Joe Gibbs card on your arse.

We know where you're coming from, but its really narrowminded. (He did happen to have proven success in Cinn specifically because Cinn did have talent at the skill positions that the Redskins don't, plain and simple. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear). You get Gruden's players in here and you will see what he can do on offense. And by the way, he still can't win without a defense. I don't know how long its going to take to get this roster straight, but Gruden will not sit back and watch, he will pull out all stops to make something happen, at QB or any other position. I like that, if Griffin can't win the first three games and puts us in a hole, I expect the trigger to be pulled on him again.
 
If I may, I don't know what "The Gibbs Card" is. But Joe Gibbs NEVER looked lost, as Gruden did, his first year. Even starting 0-5, we had the top offense in the league. We just weren't winning.

There is absolutely NO comparison of Gruden's first year to Gibbs first year.

None. Zilch. Nada.
 
I wonder what we would have been saying about Joe Gibbs halfway into his rookie season, Ax?

(And for what it's worth, it's not a very fair comparison to make in my opinion ... Joe had Theismann and Riggins in the fold. And Richie Petitbone calling D's. Different teams, different eras.)

Or Jimmy Johnson after his?

Or Belichick after his?

Or Chuck Noll?

Personally I want to see a head coach coach for at the very least two years, hopefully with at least one of those with competent NFL caliber players, coordinators and front office around him, before deciding one way or the other. Even Zorn and Spurrier deserved that. Year two for those guys, given their own pretty objective failings AND the incompetence around them, was enough to know it was time to move on ...

No, Gruden didn't wow anybody last year--not to my knowledge anyway. But to me he was far from the hopeless disaster I get the impression many of our BGO brethren believe. To me he looked like a rookie, struggling to get his feet under him, in a very bad situation, like so many others have had to deal with here and elsewhere before.

I'll start to turn a more critical eye to what I see from him as an expanding body of evidence during and through 2015 ... this time without the dead weight of Haslett, and WITH what appears to be the beginnings of a sensible team-building execution plan supporting him.

He still has QB issues do content with ... perhaps fatal ones for the 2015 team ... but I'd like to think by the end of this season we'll be getting a better idea of whether or not he has the overall trend pointed in the right direction heading into year three, which to is the one that starts offer those of us looking in from the outside a reasonable barometer.

If the man gets a QB between now and then, he'll have no excuses if he can't put a professional, competitive product on the field on Sundays.
 
Fan.....are you trying to say that because Bengals could not win the playoffs because Gruden sucks plain and simple???? You totally ignore the fact that their division rivals routinely contend for a Superbowl? Pullllleaaaze. The Ravens and Steelers are always contenders and Bengals have been fighting just to avoid early elimination. Gruden specifically has given them a chance to win the division in a very very difficult, if not the most difficult division in the NFL.

I'll write off that oversight as attributable to your spin doctoring Gruden hate.

Secondly, any rookie head coach goes through the growing pains. please don't make me pull the Joe Gibbs card on your arse.

We know where you're coming from, but its really narrowminded. (He did happen to have proven success in Cinn specifically because Cinn did have talent at the skill positions that the Redskins don't, plain and simple. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear). You get Gruden's players in here and you will see what he can do on offense. And by the way, he still can't win without a defense. I don't know how long its going to take to get this roster straight, but Gruden will not sit back and watch, he will pull out all stops to make something happen, at QB or any other position. I like that, if Griffin can't win the first three games and puts us in a hole, I expect the trigger to be pulled on him again.

testosterone levels running a little higher than normal today?

no....I am presenting evidence and alternative ways of looking at events that counter equally opinionated/subjective views such as "Gruden was a successful, upper tier OC in Cincy."

so....harp on young one! rah rah sis boom bah!
 
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That boy has crazy eyes.

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Cleveland hasn't been any better at drafting qbs than the hometown boys.

Couch, Quinn, Weedin, Manziel.

All taken in the first round.

All busts.
 
I wonder what we would have been saying about Joe Gibbs halfway into his rookie season, Ax?
Well, I'm not sure of the "we" you're referring to. But I know it wasn't you and I. Like you, I was there, and I know what I said and felt at the time. And it had nothing to do with Gibbs looking lost. My statement was made directly to micks, who was threatening a "Gibbs Card" in trying to compare his and Gruden's rookie campaigns. Different planets, IMHO.

(And for what it's worth, it's not a very fair comparison to make in my opinion ... Joe had Theismann and Riggins in the fold. And Richie Petitbone calling D's. Different teams, different eras.)
Agreed. Obviously.

Personally I want to see a head coach coach for at the very least two years, hopefully with at least one of those with competent NFL caliber players, coordinators and front office around him, before deciding one way or the other. Even Zorn and Spurrier deserved that. Year two for those guys, given their own pretty objective failings AND the incompetence around them, was enough to know it was time to move on ...

No, Gruden didn't wow anybody last year--not to my knowledge anyway. But to me he was far from the hopeless disaster I get the impression many of our BGO brethren believe. To me he looked like a rookie, struggling to get his feet under him, in a very bad situation, like so many others have had to deal with here and elsewhere before.
I am on record around here in supporting Gruden's ability to make believers out of all of us. I do think his first year was a disaster. But I'm not ready to say the guy is hopeless quite yet. I also won't be as hard to please as many of our brethren will be. I don't put a number of wins down as the criteria. I want to see the cluelessness disappear. And yes, more times than not, clueless, is how he struck me.

Anywho, I hope Gruden has a 10-15 year run here, with multiple Lombardi's added to the table. But just as players should make a big leap from their 1st year to the second, so should Gruden. A repeat performance of last season and I'll be driving the bus calling for his neck on the coaches guillotine.

HTTR
 
We is the turd in your pocket from what I've always been told.
 
If I may, I don't know what "The Gibbs Card" is. But Joe Gibbs NEVER looked lost, as Gruden did, his first year. Even starting 0-5, we had the top offense in the league. We just weren't winning.

There is absolutely NO comparison of Gruden's first year to Gibbs first year.

None. Zilch. Nada.

My point was, every rookie coach has a huge adjustment to make. I don't harbor any illusions that Gruden will be another Gibbs, and I didn't say that, in fact I did not make any comparison that you allude to. Your own words are an indictment on Joe...."we had the top offense in the league...we just weren't winning". That my friend is worse than what Gruden faced. I was there for Gibbs first tenure, I know what went down.

I'm like OM I want a coach to be around more than two friggin years. That alone would be a move in the right direction and a step towards getting something, anything, right for a change. I have no doubts Gruden won't make it, no one who coaches the Redskins does. Jay doesn't have the Squire to support him in his journey, instead he has The Danny. Seems downright unfair to ask a coach to overcome the last 20 years of Redskins futility. But like building a team starting with the line, its fundamental that you should build the team by keeping a coach around for his contract. If you don't, like Danny, then you made a mistake in the hiring process. And he's made plenty of them.

Then there's the GM. Any friction between him and coach, and we'll see another wasted two years. Probably more, considering another coach is going to have to come in and get up to speed. We will never bring another Shanahan/Shottenheimer type again in Washington. No one would even consider coming here. So be wary of what you wish for, we just might get it....another rookie head coach....whoooopppeeeee.
 
An update on teams interested in MM.

Titans, Saints, Raiders, Jets, Eagles, Browns.

Browns could be the key and they have the most ammo.
 
I know I'm late to the party on this, but I think I might be the only one who actually liked how Gruden handled the QB situation last year, lol. I certainly acknowledge that I don't hold a popular position on this at all, so I understand how annoying what I'm about to say might be to some.

For me, I really couldn't care less about the media in general or the headlines he generated. The so-called "drama". As far as I'm concerned, Robert created that atmosphere as soon as he got here. It was fine while he was executing an offense built around him by the Shanahan's amazingly well, but once he got hurt against the Ravens in 2012 it became a massive weakness.

His athletic arrogance became, simply, arrogance. His confidence became self-deception. We saw a glimpse of "the turn" when he suited up for the Cleveland Browns the next week, knowing Kirk was starting for no reason other than to draw attention to himself.

We saw it when he openly gestured in the negative at Kyle Shanahan after a Read Option play-call against the Eagles. Even when those calls were protecting him from an Oline that struggles to handle a straight on pass-rush when executing traditional drop-back calls, by forcing the defense to hesitate as well as open huge holes for Morris.

He over-stepped when he thought he could tell the Shanahan's he didn't want to run the RO as much anymore and wanted to run the same type of offense they would call for Kirk. A rookie telling offensive masterminds what's best for him, after they worked together to the tune of arguably the greatest rookie season in history.

We then saw it come full tilt during the 2013 offseason, whether it was with his father's comments, his subtle jabs via social media, and then the ridiculous pressers contradicting the authority of his Head Coach. Now, Shanahan may have deserved a lot of the frustration that was directed his way because of how he handled that Seattle playoff game, but he was still Head Coach. He was still the authority and should've been respected as such, period.

Opposing that is what destroys any semblance of competent organizational hierarchy that is conducive to success, no matter how much you may dislike the decisions made yourself. Portis was right to be upset when Zorn changed the running game, but he wasn't right when he openly contradicted him on it and refused to practice, causing division within the locker room and, thus, insubordination from the likes of Haynesworth who were simply LOOKING for an excuse to get out of their responsibilities.

Enter Gruden.

The "player's coach". The one Robert said "has my back" a hundred times during the 2014 offseason. The one who was going to develop Robert into the QB he wanted to be, a drop-back passer in the NFL. Who was going to give, as Robert attested to himself, the freedom and trust to run the offense.

Gruden seemed to sour on him pretty quickly and, to me, that signified Gruden's willingness to recognize the issues with Robert right away. He didn't bench Robert after that terrible preseason. He called a Texans game that protected the heck out of him. He was trying to make it work, and then Robert got hurt. That'll put any Head Coach in a tough spot, but for Gruden that had to be incredibly frustrating. All that time spent working with Robert, while Robert was having a much tougher time grasping the offense than anyone expected... only to have to turn to the back-up the beginning of the second game of the season.

People seem to forget that bit. No, it's not Robert's fault he got hurt, per se, but it's also not the Head Coaches fault. It's super frustrating and everyone knows the first rule of being a good player in the NFL is actually being able to be relied upon.

When Robert returned healthy, he put him in immediately against the Vikings as the starter. He played well enough. But then he followed it up with two of the worst games I've seen from a Redskin QB.

I LOVED LOVED LOVED that he benched him there. It was the moment of the truth. Was Robert going to get away with everything, learning that he doesn't need to ever earn his way? Or was it time to face the consequences and be accountable?

For me, this was the best thing FOR Robert. It was a long time coming. It was the proverbial 5-year old boy who hasn't been disciplined at all by his parents needing that spanking.

I feel confident in that belief because we saw the fruits of it when Robert came back after McCoy got hurt against the Colts. He had a couple of decent-to-good games against the Giants and Eagles... and then in an all-around poor team effort against the Cowboys in the final game of the season he, at least, wasn't awful himself.

If anything, Gruden's handling of the QB situation may have turned Robert's career around. He didn't do anything wrong to Kirk, either. Kirk completely broke down mentally. Keeping him in there would've simply been torture at that point. McCoy was doing fine but got hurt, so not his fault, either.

For so long we've been asking for accountability from the Head Coach of the Redskins. We question why guys seemingly never got benched. Why changes weren't ever made. Here, Gruden was doing it at the most important position on the football team and only after a ton of evidence that it was needed. He disciplined Amerson by making him a healthy scratch after showing up late to team meetings. He may have "called players out in public", but according to the players it wasn't anything he didn't say to them directly beforehand. There was no surprise for them. Gruden certainly isn't the first coach in history to have that style, and there have been many who have been successful with it.

Now, maybe we should've seen more accountability from the Oline, but we just don't know how ready guys were. The team maintained from the start that Moses and Long were developmental players who they wanted to sit for a year. Leribeus seems like a perennial disappointment. Compton did replace Polombus, at least.

But just look at the moves this offseason. He brings in Callahan and lets Foerster go. Huge. There's your accountability for the Oline. Callahan is also an experienced play-caller, and will have a hand in developing the offense moving forward. That's a willingness to adapt there you rarely see from our Head Coaches.

He brings in Cavanaugh, acknowledging his mistake as a rookie HC by thinking he and McVay could handle the QB position themselves. All the time they spent during the offseason with Robert, only to see him get hurt the second game of the year, was a huge blow and without a QB coach made it an even bigger one in keeping the transitions seamless.

Although an altogether head-scratching episode, he accepts Haslett's resignation and later on hires Joe Barry, who then proceeds to assemble quite a decent defensive staff with Fewell as secondary coach over Morris while retaining our best defensive coach in Olivadotti and bringing in Akey at Dline to round it off. Question marks for sure, but the end result was change that was much, much needed.

I think it's time people recognize Gruden isn't the total failure they think he is. I think it's time they forgive him for what happened with Robert, something that was brewing way before he came here and something that really needed to happen, for everyone's sake. Something he could've, like so many Skins coaches before him, just let simmer perpetually at the expense of seasons and season of futility.

I think it's time we give him the benefit of the doubt proportionate to our legitimate excitement over having a true, football, GM in charge.

We simply can't acknowledge, as proven by our excitement, just how significant a legit GM is all the while ignoring that said legit GM wasn't in place for Gruden's first year, nor the previous years of the team he inherited. And that it had to have a MAJOR negative impact on his ability to coach.

Now get on board, you bastards! Snyder has us excited again and we're too stupid to see it, weeeeeeeee! :dance:
 
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Yeah...far be it from me to get excited for a leader who leads by arguing in public and showing his own arrogance instead of using his head and going with who is actually healthy.

When colt hurt his neck and gruden refused to bench him only to have the guy almost do permanent damage he lost any of the slack he might have had otherwise and ended up being just as petty and arrogant as some accuse Griffin of being.

As a leader you are supposed to be better than that, you aren't supposed to engage in the simple bickering that most accuse Griffin of doing, and you sure as heck don't tell all your coworkers about having to "check your ego " when you have neither won nor checked your own.
 
Yeah...far be it from me to get excited for a leader who leads by arguing in public and showing his own arrogance instead of using his head and going with who is actually healthy.

When colt hurt his neck and gruden refused to bench him only to have the guy almost do permanent damage he lost any of the slack he might have had otherwise and ended up being just as petty and arrogant as some accuse Griffin of being.

As a leader you are supposed to be better than that, you aren't supposed to engage in the simple bickering that most accuse Griffin of doing, and you sure as heck don't tell all your coworkers about having to "check your ego " when you have neither won nor checked your own.


Understood. And I know I won't change your mind on this, but I'll just explain myself a little better pertaining to the legitimate points you're making here.

For me, I wouldn't call it "arguing in public", but instead more "public disciplining" like many coaches in the past have done. It was over the top, especially in this era of sensitive athletes and extreme political correctness, but none of it was untrue and according to everyone involved it was all said directly beforehand.

As for the Colt thing, I don't remember it like that at all. Actually, I don't remember much of anything leading up to the Giants game because, at that point, the season was so overly depressing it wasn't enjoyable to keep up with the day-to-day minutia I usually do. That being said, Gruden isn't a doctor and if the team doctors okayed McCoy it's tough to blame him for that, as he was the starter at the time.

The Head Coach is the HEAD Coach. He is the Head. It seems like we think the Head Coach isn't really the head of anything, just an equal staff member with the rest of the personnel. As much as we like to think that a "good" HC listens to his players, a good HC will also ignore them when they're wrong. Furthermore, the Head Coach doesn't have to submit his authority to any other coach or player on the team. Again, if they're right he should be open to it and accept constructive criticism or an angle he didn't see before... but he doesn't have to. They, on the other hand, are his subordinates. They need to accept his HEAD authority.

So the rules of "unchecked ego" doesn't necessarily apply as you want it to, since you're insinuating he's dealing with peers and not subordinates. At what point do you say the leader is to be allowed to lead and the followers are to follow? What line do you draw? They're not "coworkers" like you say. Otherwise, why the title?

This has been an organizational problem for a long time with the Skins. Titles seem meaningless.
 
Really? He was out of the rams game and Griffin was in due to a neck injury. Grudens arrogance and lack of wanting to play Griffin was why he risked colt 6 days later and almost got him hurt for good on the first drive.

You don't win people over by acting just like those you try to discipline. You end up looking just like them and lose all credibility.
 
I know I'm late to the party on this, but I think I might be the only one who actually liked how Gruden handled the QB situation last year, lol. I certainly acknowledge that I don't hold a popular position on this at all, so I understand how annoying what I'm about to say might be to some.

For me, I really couldn't care less about the media in general or the headlines he generated. The so-called "drama". As far as I'm concerned, Robert created that atmosphere as soon as he got here. It was fine while he was executing an offense built around him by the Shanahan's amazingly well, but once he got hurt against the Ravens in 2012 it became a massive weakness.

His athletic arrogance became, simply, arrogance. His confidence became self-deception. We saw a glimpse of "the turn" when he suited up for the Cleveland Browns the next week, knowing Kirk was starting for no reason other than to draw attention to himself.

We saw it when he openly gestured in the negative at Kyle Shanahan after a Read Option play-call against the Eagles. Even when those calls were protecting him from an Oline that struggles to handle a straight on pass-rush when executing traditional drop-back calls, by forcing the defense to hesitate as well as open huge holes for Morris.

He over-stepped when he thought he could tell the Shanahan's he didn't want to run the RO as much anymore and wanted to run the same type of offense they would call for Kirk. A rookie telling offensive masterminds what's best for him, after they worked together to the tune of arguably the greatest rookie season in history.

We then saw it come full tilt during the 2013 offseason, whether it was with his father's comments, his subtle jabs via social media, and then the ridiculous pressers contradicting the authority of his Head Coach. Now, Shanahan may have deserved a lot of the frustration that was directed his way because of how he handled that Seattle playoff game, but he was still Head Coach. He was still the authority and should've been respected as such, period.

Opposing that is what destroys any semblance of competent organizational hierarchy that is conducive to success, no matter how much you may dislike the decisions made yourself. Portis was right to be upset when Zorn changed the running game, but he wasn't right when he openly contradicted him on it and refused to practice, causing division within the locker room and, thus, insubordination from the likes of Haynesworth who were simply LOOKING for an excuse to get out of their responsibilities.

Enter Gruden.

The "player's coach". The one Robert said "has my back" a hundred times during the 2014 offseason. The one who was going to develop Robert into the QB he wanted to be, a drop-back passer in the NFL. Who was going to give, as Robert attested to himself, the freedom and trust to run the offense.

Gruden seemed to sour on him pretty quickly and, to me, that signified Gruden's willingness to recognize the issues with Robert right away. He didn't bench Robert after that terrible preseason. He called a Texans game that protected the heck out of him. He was trying to make it work, and then Robert got hurt. That'll put any Head Coach in a tough spot, but for Gruden that had to be incredibly frustrating. All that time spent working with Robert, while Robert was having a much tougher time grasping the offense than anyone expected... only to have to turn to the back-up the beginning of the second game of the season.

People seem to forget that bit. No, it's not Robert's fault he got hurt, per se, but it's also not the Head Coaches fault. It's super frustrating and everyone knows the first rule of being a good player in the NFL is actually being able to be relied upon.

When Robert returned healthy, he put him in immediately against the Vikings as the starter. He played well enough. But then he followed it up with two of the worst games I've seen from a Redskin QB.

I LOVED LOVED LOVED that he benched him there. It was the moment of the truth. Was Robert going to get away with everything, learning that he doesn't need to ever earn his way? Or was it time to face the consequences and be accountable?

For me, this was the best thing FOR Robert. It was a long time coming. It was the proverbial 5-year old boy who hasn't been disciplined at all by his parents needing that spanking.

I feel confident in that belief because we saw the fruits of it when Robert came back after McCoy got hurt against the Colts. He had a couple of decent-to-good games against the Giants and Eagles... and then in an all-around poor team effort against the Cowboys in the final game of the season he, at least, wasn't awful himself.

If anything, Gruden's handling of the QB situation may have turned Robert's career around. He didn't do anything wrong to Kirk, either. Kirk completely broke down mentally. Keeping him in there would've simply been torture at that point. McCoy was doing fine but got hurt, so not his fault, either.

For so long we've been asking for accountability from the Head Coach of the Redskins. We question why guys seemingly never got benched. Why changes weren't ever made. Here, Gruden was doing it at the most important position on the football team and only after a ton of evidence that it was needed. He disciplined Amerson by making him a healthy scratch after showing up late to team meetings. He may have "called players out in public", but according to the players it wasn't anything he didn't say to them directly beforehand. There was no surprise for them. Gruden certainly isn't the first coach in history to have that style, and there have been many who have been successful with it.

Now, maybe we should've seen more accountability from the Oline, but we just don't know how ready guys were. The team maintained from the start that Moses and Long were developmental players who they wanted to sit for a year. Leribeus seems like a perennial disappointment. Compton did replace Polombus, at least.

But just look at the moves this offseason. He brings in Callahan and let's Foerster go. Huge. There's your accountability for the Oline. Callahan is also an experienced play-caller, and will have a hand in developing the offense moving forward. That's a willingness to adapt there you rarely see from our Head Coaches.

He brings in Cavanaugh, acknowledging his mistake as a rookie HC by thinking he and McVay could handle the QB position themselves. All the time they spent during the offseason with Robert, only to see him get hurt the second game of the year, was a huge blow and without a QB coach made it an even bigger one in keeping the transitions seamless.

Although an altogether head-scratching episode, he accepts Haslett's resignation and later on hires Joe Barry, who then proceeds to assemble quite a decent defensive staff with Fewell as secondary coach over Morris while retaining our best defensive coach in Olivadotti and bringing in Akey at Dline to round it off. Question marks for sure, but the end result was change that was much, much needed.

I think it's time people recognize Gruden isn't the total failure they think he is. I think it's time they forgive him for what happened with Robert, something that was brewing way before he came here and something that really needed to happen, for everyone's sake. Something he could've, like so many Skins coaches before him, just let simmer perpetually at the expense of seasons and season of futility.

I think it's time we give him the benefit of the doubt proportionate to our legitimate excitement over having a true, football, GM in charge.

We simply can't acknowledge, as proven by our excitement, just how significant a legit GM is all the while ignoring that said legit GM wasn't in place for Gruden's first year, nor the previous years of the team he inherited. And that it had to have a MAJOR negative impact on his ability to coach.

Now get on board, you bastards! Snyder has us excited again and we're too stupid to see it, weeeeeeeee! :dance:

nice narrative (not intended sarcastly; this is well written and lucid)...and as others have directed at me: completely subjective...with the added (admittedly interesting) tangential foray into psycho-analysis.

the problem with all these opinion pieces is that a glaring contradiction lies at the heart of the argument: Gruden is a rookie ergo he was bound to make all the on-field and off-field mistakes he so willingly shared on the global stage that is Redskin football - at any scale his f-ups are excused because, well, he just got across the border under our lax coaching immigration polices and needs some time to assimilate the habits, logic and processes of a professional in the National Football league; the coaching search, discovery and signing process is supposed to end state in someone prepared for the job. I could be mistaken, but my guess is that when the brain-trust first sat down and thought through "what are the requirements"...their list did not look like this: someone who can't discipline his staff to teach basic techniques/correct incorrect schemes; someone who can't control the locker-room; someone who has the emotional matuirity of a 15 year old; someone who constantly shifts his position; someone who can't accomplish what HE STATES he needs to do ("coach em up better"); someone who can't even accomplish minor advancements in what the organization states is one of their hiring goals - improving the play of the starting QB; someone who will quit at the end of games; someone who demonstrably HASN'T FIXED A DAMN THING but instead conducts an endless pity party in the media....and I could go on and on.

yea, yea, yea. give him more time...we need some stability. which misses the point that others (e.g., Shanahan) were given time as well and did not succeed - i.e., time on station isn't the only or even primary key to success.

My core complaint is that I believe Gruden is a child playing in a man's role. I expected someone to step before the camera and calmly let everyone know: "Yes, we have our work cut out for us. This is a process. We are going to complete the transition in our culture started by the previous coach. I have a plan and I am collaborating with the management team and ownership to ensure we are all pointed in the same direction. We have solid players but need to improve core areas on the roster. I am dedicated to restoring the Redskins to football preeminence. We are going to succeed and we will have a lot of fun along the way. You Redskin fans are the class of all sports franchises. hang in there - it's just around the corner." instead we basically got a lot of dear in the headlights interviews, inconsistent decision-making that often had the appearance of knee-jerk qualities, and, most disturbing but hard to pin down.....a tacit "this was done to me. these players aren't doing what I ask them to do. I'm really ticked off." well, son, if you're ticked off......don't cry to the media about it. quietly and purposefully fix the GD mess you seem ill equipped to handle. in short....grow up and become a leader.

sure, there is time. from the roster up through ownership we should all be tired and leery of these endless dances of the sugar plum ingénues. once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see a true professional hired by this team who evidences command of the situation right from the git go. welcome aboard Scott!! your job, desired or not, is to make everyone better.
 
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I agree with submittedone and so have some of the former players who have spoken out about this subject of how it was handled in the media. Robert wants to clamor for attention and defend himself on social media, Gruden did the same. I will take submittedone's argument one step further...I think Gruden was protecting himself in the media from Snyder and Allen pushing him to start Robert.

Al's insistence that Gruden is in over his head, may be true. But the way Robert was handled was not a problem for anyone but Robert and those who have a problem with that style of management. Fear can be a great motivator, I see nothing wrong with people fearing they may lose their position if they don't play hard/well enough. And I see nothing wrong with a coach dancing a tango in the media if he is getting hit from all sides to start a player who obviously is not worthy of starting.

The only thing I will disagree with, I do not think Robert played that well against the Giants and was only serviceable against the Eagles. It's a shame that a serviceable performance is perceived as a good performance based off the horrible performances that got him benched. I rue the day RG3 is gone for good!
 
Not involving myself in this again.
 
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I think one other thing may have slipped past most Redskins fans on the Jay vs. Robert issue.

Two days prior to Jay's public meltdown, John Keim tweeted out that he became aware that "at least one Redskins player is being paid to tweet."

Did fans really believe that "Operation All In For Day One" was something that Robert came up with?

Being paid to tweet off the field is fine. Players can do whatever they want to generate additional money as long as it doesn't embarrass the team or hinder their performance.

But that knowledge, combined with what several analysts like Cooley and Bullock called "the single worst QB performance they've seen all season" against Tampa was probably enough to push Gruden over the edge.

Imagine being the HC. WRs are open all over the place. The coaches upstairs are telling you in your ear that WRs are open all over the field. The WRs run off the field and tell you that they're wide open. And the QB just can't function.

Then you overhear, and maybe incorrectly interpret some comments from the QB that just laid a huge egg on the field moments ago.

I can see how that could make a HC snap.
 

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