Official Game Thread - Week 8 - vs Eagles

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Philadelphia Eagles @ Washington Commanders
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When: Sunday, October 29th 2023 - 1:00pm
Where: Fedex Field, Landover MD
How to Watch: Fox - Chris Myers, Mark Schlereth announcing
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Early positional matchups from my rank civilian brain:

Offensive line- Advantage Philadelphia
Quarterback- Advantage Philadelphia
Runningbacks- Slight Advantage Philadelphia
Receivers- Slight Advantage Philadelphia
TEs- Advantage Philadelphia

Defensive line- Push
Linebackers- Advantage Philadelphia
Secondary- Advantage Philadelphia

Placekicker- Advantage Philadelphia
Punter- Advantage Washington

Coaching- Advantage Philadelphia

Prediction- Philadelphia 30 Washington 17 with the majority of Washington’s points coming after the outcome is no longer in question.
 
Washington coaching staff preparing to ’turn over every stone’.

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I actually added 'The Stinkin Truth' podcast to our BGO Podfinder yesterday. It's interesting that, as a bunch of fans doing a podcast, we pretty much arrived at 90% of what someone like Schlereth is seeing. I was glad (not happy, but glad) to hear him lay a lot of the blame on EB. Before the Giants game I said I wanted to see us run it 60-70% of the game. I knew that wouldn't happen, but it would show that Bienemy is capable of totally changing his approach in order to mask a major weakness and take advantage of what the opponent is expecting us to do. I fear we have just traded one stubborn 'system' OC for another. We are not currently built to be throwing the ball at the rate we are, and yet EB seems hellbent on doing just that. And as Schlereth did a good job of describing, if you are hellbent on going pass heavy, be creative and at least try and do some things to mitigate the pass rush.

Schlereth echoed so many things we have harped on over the past few seasons.
 
He's one of the few analysts I've heard talking about something else we talked about pre-draft... our disinclination to draft and use big physical blocking TEs. We seem fixated on finding Jordan Reed clones, glorified WRs who are great in the passing game, but who can't block worth a damn and can't stay on the field for more than a few games at a stretch before taking injury breaks. Look at Cole Turner - he's already been unavailable more often than not.
 
There is some odd sliver of my brain that wonders 2 things.

1. Is Bieniemy simply conditioned to the Mahomes factor? We all think it's so easy to disconnect the fact that we don't have Patrick Mahomes here, and I think Bieniemy 'knows' that to a point... but I'm sure there are A LOT of times that he's calling plays against the 'right' looks that dont work and it's not making sense to him. He's subconsciously conditioned to see things a certain way and he's still feeling his way out of the KC mentality. Sam is athletic, has plus arm strength, and has shown that it's not just all or nothing with his arm, he has touch and precision. Bieniemy is possibly still truly feeling out Sam's limitations.

2. Is Bieniemy also still on this crash course with Sam to get him up to speed for better or worse? I don't think Bieniemy's macro focus is not this team in 2023. We all know he came here, and took this job, to vault himself to a head coaching opportunity, that hasn't changed. I believe he wants to win... and I believe he's a competitor, but I don't believe it's controversial to believe that he's gonna lose sleep over losing to the Giants. I do believe he's continuing to push Sam (and the offense) more and more in the belief that it will pay dividends in November / December. If this offense can start clicking over the final 6-8 weeks of the season, it's going to provide him with more ammunition to his next interview (especially if it's HERE).

These are both hypotheticals, and it's reaching.. i'm just out of obvious reasons as to why we've seen the offense completely fall off vs 3 bad football teams

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Another thing crept into my mind looking at Sam's stats. Bieniemy might not believe the offense is struggling as much as we do... it's been a factor of a few missed opportunities. I don't think NFL coaches care about 'how' you should win as much as fans do... they just care about winning. Philly was there for the taking. The defense let the team down against the Bears (and the offense still brought them back to within 7 in the 4th quarter before the defense fell apart again), and we were a couple bounces away from being right like not letting a FG get blocked, and Dotson catching the ball from possibly winning that game. These may feel like reaches, and to a point they are.... but these guys a looking play by play and seeing what 'didn't' work.... they likely rationalize play by play how 'close' things were to being totally different.

Again, not saying any of this is 'correct' but just trying to put a finger on what the mindset is to see what we're seeing
 
Stink always shoots straight.
Especially liked him stating what I've always argued...that there are bedrock principles that are always true in this game.
The statement: "You win up front", is not a cliche' or a bumper sticker slogan, it's the truth!

What Ron and the Martys have done in regards to the Oline is downright criminal.
 
I think it's dangerous to play the game where we look at the games we almost lost as evidence 'it's not as bad as we think' because there are games we probably didn't outplay the other team in but managed to get a W.

I think both your points (Bienemy is used to having Mahomes back there, and Howell is on a crash course) have some merit. But we are going into Week 8 and that's a lot of water and a lot of sacks under the bridge not to be coming around to the idea that this isn't the KC offense.

I don't think it's as complicated as we are making it. This OL is historically bad. Couple that with a young QB and new offense and that's a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Boone said:
I think it's dangerous to play the game where we look at the games we almost lost as evidence 'it's not as bad as we think' because there are games we probably didn't outplay the other team in but managed to get a W.

I think both your points (Bienemy is used to having Mahomes back there, and Howell is on a crash course) have some merit. But we are going into Week 8 and that's a lot of water and a lot of sacks under the bridge not to be coming around to the idea that this isn't the KC offense.

I don't think it's as complicated as we are making it. This OL is historically bad. Couple that with a young QB and new offense and that's a disaster waiting to happen.
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I'm not holding onto those losses saying 'we were close' i'm just saying coaches look at things that way... not necessarily the same way fans rationalize, but on a similar level.

It's very easy for Bieniemy to be watching the offense and see Dyami breaking free, Sam deliver a ball and the DB holding Dyami's hand preventing a walk in TD and say "That's a drive that 'should' have been a TD"

Same thing for the final play in the Giants game where Sam did ALMOST everything he could do and delivered a catchable ball that was dropped. Again, it doesn't actually matter, but when you talk about changing the dynamic of the offensive scheme, he likely can rationalize a lot of 'missed opportunities' that were minor tweeks away from working.
 
I know you were theorizing what Bienemy's thinking.

And 'rationalizing' is the right word for it. Thinking this OL can run the kinds of plays he's calling over and over again is borderline delusional.

I've reverted to the emotional state I was in during the first 2 days of the NFL draft. WTH have we done failing to address critical needs - namely, adding some big mean OL to the roster. I'm still not over it.
 
I do not know why you wouldn't be trying to throw everything at the problem that is the Oline right now?

When you look at the game this weekend, Paul's only going to get a chance at LG because Charles is hurt. So basically, the only real change is Larsen at C and they are going with him because he's a veteran. Why not Stromberg?
I'd be looking at Lucas and Brooks at RT and looking for any solution.

But the other thing that needs to be scrutinized is the Oline coach. You got guys that as Stink mentioned, can't handle the interior games or pick up blitzes. That's on coaching.
So far, might as well have Kim Helton coaching Oline......
 
If it weren't for my wanting Howell to have success so he enters 2024 with a ton of promise, I would be on the 'tank train'. I see no positives in winning 7 or 8 games in a meaningless season that will precede the biggest offseason blow-up we have seen in decades.
 
Boone said:
If it weren't for my wanting Howell to have success so he enters 2024 with a ton of promise, I would be on the 'tank train'. I see no positives in winning 7 or 8 games in a meaningless season that will precede the biggest offseason blow-up we have seen in decades.
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Hitting on my biggest worry: Trent Greening Howell.

House cleaning from stem to stern this offseason and Howell gets lost only to succeed somewhere else and they start all over at Qb.

Right now, after 7 starts this season, we do not know yet what we have in him. IMO,we see some bright flashes of what can be, we see some flaws but the water is also muddied due to a weak Oline,no running game and no TE.

Just want to see the kid get a fair shot. There's something there to work with.
 
I think a new GM/HC would give him a season. It's unlikely even as bad as we are at times that we'll have a top 5 draft pick imho. We always seem to muster 7 or 8 wins somehow. That means if you want to swing for the fences for a franchise QB in the draft, you are trading major assets to move up. I think that would be a mistake until we know for sure Howell can't be that guy.
 
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