McCloughan's draft plan

I see a couple of the network guys have us taking Shane Ray with the #5 pick. Gotta love that Bucky Brooks called him a "one trick pony" and he's slotted to replace Orakpo in the draft mediots eyes. :new_idea:

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I'm liking a trade down and taking Danny Shelton. A shame we have so many needs, itd be nice to snatch up Trae Waynes or Kevin White. Hate to see the Giants get Shelton
 
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The Redskins can't worry about the Eagles contending in 2015 or 2016 when this team is at a point of simply trying to get to being competitive ☺️

Go back and look at the 24-0 loss to the average Rams or the home loss to the Bucs, who were the worst team in the league last season.
 
Is it wrong of me to pray that Jameis gets caught streaking naked, or gets caught with pot prior to the draft?


“Jameis, in football intellect, intelligence level, is as smart as anybody I’ve ever been around,” Fisher said on NFL Network. “You can do so many different things with him and he grasps it. He just doesn’t memorize plays, he understands the concepts of how to attack the coverage, how a play works, where his one-on-one matchups are. He just has a tremendous football intellect that way.”

Fisher said that Winston’s study habits are particularly impressive.

“Every night, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, we get off the practice field, he eats his dinner at 6:45, and then he’s up here in the offices until 9:30, 10, 10:30 at night,” Fisher said. “He would sit and watch every practice tape and then prepare for red zone, third down, whatever it might be. A lot of guys are very talented but he likes to understand the game.”



Jimbo Fisher: Jameis Winston is as smart as anyone I?ve been around | ProFootballTalk
 
Yes, and Ted Bundy could be charming.

Being smart on the field, doesn't hide the fact that he's dumb as a brick off the field, where 95% of his time will be spent.
 
Jameis is going to the Bucs. Smith is in love with him and sees him as a building block.

Unfortunately for Smith he thought the same thing about Rex Grossman and Jay Cutler.
 
This is addition by subtraction. In the end Bellichick was right about him. Too many penalties and dumb plays and too many injuries to be counted on.

Funny how NE can cut a former #1 pick without a fuss yet the Redskins have such angst trying to move on from Orakpo and Hankerson?

If they are oft-injured and not top producers when healthy lets just move on.
 
Didn't we already establish that Orakpo was kept here because of the cap penalty and inability to get someone else?

Isn't hank still under contract and gets paid no matter what?
 
I found an interesting article mentioning Scot M. and the approach to putting together the draft board he learned while working with Ron Wolf at Green Bay. Seems pretty thorough.

Legendary scout-GM Ron Wolf, whose scouting tree sprouted limbs in Ted Thompson, John Dorsey, Reggie McKenzie, Scot McCloughan, and John Schneider (and Schneider has sprouted his own branch in John Idzik), wrote a book called The Packer Way, and in it, he detailed the methodology he developed to build Green Bay's draft board. Here's an abridged snippet. Note the fact I said abridged, because he goes into insane detail of their system:

Putting together our draft board takes weeks. We consider players who have received a grade of 5.0 or higher, that's the minimum rating for a draft-able prospect. Anyone below 5.0 is considered a free-agent-level player.

We take each position and go through each player at those spots one-by-one. I then ask the scout who has seen him and has graded him how he arrived at his decision. I ask him if he's changed his mind because we're constantly reviewing our information. I ask him if there's anything he wants to add to what we know. At this point, he'll tell us whether we need to look at tapes of the prospect.

If we do, we'll pull out five games against his best opponents, I run the tape machine - and we start talking about what we're seeing. If the player isn't showing well, maybe I'll ask the scout if he'd rather put another game on the screen. By now, the scout is melting in his seat because his evaluation isn't holding up. After two or three tapes, you get a feel for the prospect. You give him a final grade, which could differ from the scout's. The player winds up in one of two categories. If he's bad enough, he becomes a reject and doesn't go on the board. If he has what we call a makable grade - he has enough ability to perhaps play in the NFL - he goes on the live board.

If we're lucky, we review 20 players a day in these draft meetings. They continue for five or six weeks, athlete by athlete, with each player allotted enough time to be evaluated properly. If you rush, you could make mistakes, which is what this process is trying to avoid.

The pace changes according to position. If we like a receiver, we'll take a look at every pass that's been thrown to him during his career, whether it was a completion or a miss. Same with running back.

Every run.

On quarterbacks, we just watch them play as much as we can. This is a long and arduous process. How many times can you review people blocking each other? But you have to maintain and edge. You have to be correct.

Article link:Not just throwing darts: A behind-the-scenes look at the NFL scouting process, and how players ultimately land on each team's draft board - SBNation.com
 
I'm sure this has been almost exactly the Redskins process as well. Because it just screams US :)

I am confident that, if nothing else, if we fail on some picks, it will NOT be from a lack of time, study, and effort.
 
Yeah, I am sure Vinny had such a detailed approach. He went on line and downloaded the Athlon's Draft Guide for $29.99 :D
 
Vinny?

Well, at least you are just 4 years back instead of 20.
 
No, I am living in the here and now. We are a a 4-12 football team trying to execute the first successful offseason in recent team history.

We have a former #2 pick at quarterback largely because of his draft status and Snyder's unwillingness to take the abuse of admitting a mistake.

Said player after 3 years in the NFL still seems to be at a rookie state of development, no sophistication to his game at all.

Meanwhile fellow 2012 picks Luck and Wilson lead their teams deep into the playoffs and don't seem to cause any splits in the locker room due to preferential treatment from the organization, etc.

Their coaches also seem to like having them on the field as leaders.

Griffin commands no such respect from his coaches.

But he does have some commercial endorsements.

I guess that is something.
 
HogsHaven has an interesting, and IMO insightful, article including a short interview with Scot M. at this year's Combine plus part of a transcription of an intervew he did at the 2010 Combine while he was still GM of the 49ers. There are some questions about specific positions and circumstances in the draft that give I think useful hints as to how he goes about selecting players that offer more detail than I've seen elsewhere.

Here's a selection and at the bottom a link to the article if you want to watch the vid of his short interview with Larry Michael.


Scot McCloughan did not have open media availability at this year's Combine, and only spoke with Redskins Executive Producer of Media Larry Michael. He talked about the importance of the medical evaluations and interviews. McCloughan prefers to interview prospects 2, 3, and 4 times if he has the chance, and looks for consistency and body language from the players. Each team also receives an interview tape for the prospects.

There wasn't very much that hasn't already been said in this short, Redskins-controlled interview, so I looked to the last time McCloughan spoke at the Combine in 2010 as the San Francisco 49ers GM. This was McCloughan's last time as the GM any team, and the 49ers actually fired him less than a month after the Combine and before that year's draft.

McCloughan has talked about a few of these things before(free agency, bigger players, etc...), but it's an interesting perspective on some issues that are relevant with the Redskins this year. McCloughan discusses evaluating spread quarterbacks in college and what you need to do with them in the pros(recognize what they excel at, balancing that with your offensive philosophy). He talks about drafting defensive ends and converting them to 3-4 OLBs in the NFL(natural pass rush is most important). He also discussed franchising players(the Redskins won't be using the tag this year), and evaluating which players to extend(Trent Williams and Ryan Kerrigan are candidates this year). McCloughan was also asked about drafting a RB with Frank Gore already established as the starter(Alfred Morris is on the last year of his deal, Roy Helu, Jr. is afree agent, and Silas Redd/Chris Thompson are inexperienced).

Free Agency:

Q: What are your plans in operating in a cap-less season?

A: For us it's not changing. We're going to go forward as if there is a cap. As you guys are well aware, we're not going to be considered a big free agency team anyway. But we'll do what we need to do in free agency if we think it's a smart move, if it makes us better. But it's not going to change us, our spending, one way or another. Because I think we have a good plan in place and the vision and philosophy we've had in the past. We're going to keep the same. If all of a sudden we get to a place where we think we have to, then we'll definitely consider it. But right now we're going forward as we have in the past.

Extending players you want to keep:

Q: Why are so many teams placing franchise tags on defensive tackles?

A: I know this. We've been on the 3-4 now for five years - it is a very important position. The one thing about it is when you have good football players at any position, you always want to try to extend them early. You want to get a long-term deal. And we tried with Aubrayo. Now that we've reach the deadline and we put the tag on him, we're going to keep trying. I think the price tag for it isn't outrageous yet, for the tag. But again, I don't want to speak for other organizations. From our standpoint, we're glad he's on our team for one more year and we're going to keep fighting for a long-term deal.

Evaluating spread quarterbacks:

Q: How do you evaluate spread quarterbacks?

A: Every quarterback is different. What you're seeing nowadays is a trend that's not going away. Even high schools are going to spread offenses. If you're going to take a spread quarterback, know that that's what he's used to and the reason you're drafting him is that he's been a good football player. Don't completely change what he's done in the past that's made him successful. It doesn't mean he has to be in the shotgun every snap and run the routes he ran in college, but you've got to find a balance between the two - being in the shotgun, being in three and four-receiver sets. Most of the teams - I know it's a little bit different with New Orleans - need to be able to run the football in the fourth quarter, especially late in the year and especially on the east coast in open-air stadiums. You've got to be able to play power football still.

Drafting RBs with an established starter in place:

Q: Do you plan on taking a running back with a different style than Frank Gore?

A: We could. Yeah, we could. Again, I think it comes down to what will be his role with us. Is there any special teams value involved in it? Again, where he's taken in the draft is going to say what the role is going to be and how soon we think he can help us. Gore is a really good football player for us and we expect him to be a good football player for us for the next couple of years. But we also understand that we can't count on him forever. And if you start limiting his carries now somewhat - he doesn't like it - but if we protect him. What our vision is to play 16 (games) and get to the playoffs. We need him to be healthy for him to that.

Drafting bigger players in the secondary:

Q: Do you feel the need to add fast corners with so many prolific passers in the NFL?

A: Again, each team has their own philosophy in what they believe. We believe in bigger corners. In our division, we went 5-1 last year, I think we set ourselves up pretty well to match up against guys in our division. Also, you've got to realize the receivers coming in have somewhat running back vision and instincts because they the ball and have so many opportunities to make plays in college. But again, I'll never lose sight of this and maybe I'm a dinosaur in this, but it's a big man's game. From the standpoint of holding up through a season durability-wise. But also in the playoffs. You have to have some size and some power and strength I think to be a contender year in and year out.

Drafting college DEs to be 3-4 OLBs in the NFL:

Q: How do you evaluate defensive ends who become linebackers in 3-4 defenses?

A: Natural pass rush. The thing about is very seldom do you see them standing and come out of the two-point stance. I think it's important here, you see a lot of the guys in the two-point stance. Natural instincts and being able to go forward. I don't think you're ever going to be able to sit there and say, 'Can he drop, how's he going to be in coverage?' I think the first and foremost thing is, can he get to the quarterback and go from there.


Article link: Redskins GM Scot McCloughan Speaks at the NFL Scouting Combine...5 Years Ago - Hogs Haven
 
Well, at least we know how you really feel about Griffin. I'm sure some of were a little confused.

What commercials have you seen him in that are new? Maybe it's a local thing because all I see (if ever) are the subway ones. But even those died off.

He doesn't command respect...you're right. Our ego driven head coach came in and tried to fit a circle in to a square and showed no signs of working with him. Oh, oops. Is that not griffins fault, too?

Gruden commands no respect from the players. You can see it after losses how when he goes to the media and trashes them they don't respond by trying harder. He has as much to improve as Griffin does.
 
Evaluating spread quarterbacks:

Q: How do you evaluate spread quarterbacks?

A: Every quarterback is different. What you're seeing nowadays is a trend that's not going away. Even high schools are going to spread offenses. If you're going to take a spread quarterback, know that that's what he's used to and the reason you're drafting him is that he's been a good football player. Don't completely change what he's done in the past that's made him successful. It doesn't mean he has to be in the shotgun every snap and run the routes he ran in college, but you've got to find a balance between the two - being in the shotgun, being in three and four-receiver sets. Most of the teams - I know it's a little bit different with New Orleans - need to be able to run the football in the fourth quarter, especially late in the year and especially on the east coast in open-air stadiums. You've got to be able to play power football still.

Is it just me or does this sound like a direct note TO our head coach? Because I know that is exactly how I have felt ever since I heard this BS of putting him directly under center and trying to make him what he isn't.

Great find as per your normal self, Serv.
 
I had the thought Mike...
 
not to say that Griffin has been this angel...we've all been around that bush a few times. Believe me, there is plenty of blame for the both of them.

but it is pretty weird that in 2010 his words ring true right now more than ever.
 
He also said today that he's not beholden to any of these QBs - that he didn't select them and that they'll have to prove they deserve the job.
 
Yep.

And he said he would draft mariota.

And he'd trade down.

Lol
 

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