Joe Barry Report Card

1 game. We've had 1 game and you're already headed in the direction that the Norman signing a disaster? Sorry Henry, I just think it's way too early to determine that.

My argument (and I'll preemptively say this isn't in response to you Henry) would be that there shouldn't be a need for or an expectation of damage control. Breeland wasn't terrible last week. Some of the throws he got beaten on couldn't have been stopped by any CB in the league - they were perfect throws. We got beat, on numerous fronts, not just in the defensive backfield, by a really good team that was simply better than us.
 
Breeland is fine. My argument is that if Breeland is THAT good, and is good enough to put the #1 WR every week, Josh Norman is a luxury. Norman is going to be one of our top paid players for four or five years. If he's not being paid to take out the other team's top WR, hes beong overpaid. A lot.

If Breeland bordering on elite himself, do you think we re-sign him when his contract is up? We already have a LOT of money tied up in the position.

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I figure today we stack the box big-time. Play the run all day and let our corners shut down their WRs. We just have to figure out Witten.

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Saw this on the NFL dotcom too.

Similar to Richard Sherman in Seattle, Norman thrived in Carolina mostly on one side of the field. He did not travel exclusively. But increased expectations came when he shockingly became a free agent, then signed a five-year, $70-million deal with $50 million in guarantees in Washington. It causes some to clamor for him to turn into vintage Darrelle Revis overnight.
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And I rarely, if ever, allow a players pay, or draft position, to concern me much. Until it's warranted. For me, we ain't there yet.

With Norman, or Cousins, or Kerrigan, or Williams. None of whom earned their "big money" Monday.
 
I would line up with your thinking more closely if we had TRADED for Norman or picked him up at the expense of picks or other players. But we didn't. He literally fell right into our laps. Yeah - we had to pay for him, because a ton of other teams were poised to go after him. We got there first and we didn't want any other team to have a chance to counter-offer. That's smart, not dumb imho. Signing him, as far as I know, didn't prohibit or stymie us in any way in adding other players - at least not that I'm aware of.

Now, if down the road, his contract becomes problematic, I might be more inclined to agree with you. But right now, all we did was add talent. I thought that was the whole idea?
 
Henry said:
I figure today we stack the box big-time. Play the run all day and let our corners shut down their WRs. We just have to figure out Witten.

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I probably differ from most. It's Beasley who I think we need to most account for.
 
McD5 said:
Let's say we had put Norman on Brown all game.

Best case scenario: Norman completely shuts him down, we hurt Breeland's confidence and we may win game 1. That's if Cousins threw better, running game was better, etc.

Worst case scenario: We hurt Breeland's confidence, Brown lights Norman up, and we still lose game 1. And the fans would freak out.

It's a 16 game season. There's a lot to consider with these decisions.
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Breeland's confidence is being hurt a lot more, by being continually stuck on elite receivers and getting beaten repeatedly, than if he was simply dropped to a #2 Corner.
 
Ziggy Hood was according to the coaches the best DL in training camp and the preseason.

Well, the Cowboys blew him off the ball so far on Morris' TD run that he was not even in the TV picture when Alfred spiked the ball.

To his credit, Barry did run some 4-3 defensive stuff today and that contributed to Trent Murphy looking alive as a contributor in the front seven.

But even if Barry makes the most of the personnel as I have argued by moving to a 4-3, it still leaves us with a talent deficit overall.

It will just allow us to look average on defense rather than poor as we did last week and in the first half today.
 
Bulldog's Twin said:
Ziggy Hood was according to the coaches the best DL in training camp and the preseason.

Well, the Cowboys blew him off the ball so far on Morris' TD run that he was not even in the TV picture when Alfred spiked the ball.

To his credit, Barry did run some 4-3 defensive stuff today and that contributed to Trent Murphy looking alive as a contributor in the front seven.

But even if Barry makes the most of the personnel as I have argued by moving to a 4-3, it still leaves us with a talent deficit overall.

It will just allow us to look average on defense rather than poor as we did last week and in the first half today.
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Winning franchises do not ignore the dline for 20 yr spans.

No one would ever confuse us for one, so we got that going for us which is nice?

So frustrating when we as fans know more about where our talent deficiencies lie than the Front Office does.

And I say that knowing that Scott and his staff are professionals. Well, how do professionals let the team make it to the season with Kedric Golston as the starting NT when he's nothing more than a journeyman at best?

So far, the only decision the Front Office got right was not giving Cousins a long term deal.

Not a very good batting average.
 
That's why the club bounces from last to first and then back to 0-2.

We never have two consistent solid seasons in a row, and I am not talking about 13-3 or 14-2 season, but merely 9-7 or 8-8 seasons where we see young players consistently getting better and seeing the club gain momentum with each game.
 
Watching Denver make Andrew Luck look like a Middle School QB - thank God we didn't get Wade.

Dodged a bullet there, for sure.
 
Goaldeje said:
Watching Denver make Andrew Luck look like a Middle School QB - thank God we didn't get Wade.

Dodged a bullet there, for sure.
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Every time they put the game up on Red Zone Luck was tossing air balls. But even as badly as the Colts played, and it was really bad, they were still in the game at the end. Andy barely got to 50%, had 1 TD & 1 INT plus lost a fumble; didn't break 2oo yards and was sacked 5 times. And they were still in it by holding Denver to 16 points in the first 3 quarters.

Cousins looked pretty awesome in comparison. Sometimes your D has to kick it up to cover the O or sometimes vice-a-versa.

When they got Barry I didn't like it but thought if they'd hire Wade and make Barry his assistant that would be a pretty sweet plan and maybe he could take the reins in a couple of years. Maybe Wade wasn't up for that kinda thing or maybe Phillips & the Skins weren't interested. I still believe Barely is no better than an assistant but maybe he is trainable. Same goes for McVie especially considering how little knowledge he and Jay have when it comes to running the rock.
 
...there's plenty of credit to go around for this loss. Offense, Defense, Coaches.
Special Teams wasn't a cluster eff. Other than that - everyone else had their round of screwing the pooch
 
You can make a case to blame this on the offense or defense. In reality it comes down to coaching and play calling. Running 3 fades with first and goal shows lack of flexibility.

In watching other games, I saw teams run slants and other patterns to score TD's. When didn't work first time why not try something different. Was is arrogance?

It seems liked they wanted to justify selecting a WR in first round, so had to show off the new toy. When they should have been trying to score and put game away.
 
riggins44 said:
You can make a case to blame this on the offense or defense. In reality it comes down to coaching and play calling. Running 3 fades with first and goal shows lack of flexibility.

In watching other games, I saw teams run slants and other patterns to score TD's. When didn't work first time why not try something different. Was is arrogance?

It seems liked they wanted to justify selecting a WR in first round, so had to show off the new toy. When they should have been trying to score and put game away.
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Seems to me they were fairly insistent on running fades (although to the left) against Pittsburgh where they were 1 of 4 in the Red Zone. I get wanting to exploit the physical matchups you get but unless your willing to run the rock once in awhile all Kirk will see is zone without anyone open. A team really should be 2 of 3 in the RZ or at worst 50%. 3 of 10 so far this year and it's not a problem that just came up out of nowhere, they've been here before. Possibly may be the worst in the league; both the Browns & Buc's are 50%. So the Skins are better at getting to the Red Zone than a lot of teams but 31 other teams are better at capitalizing on their opportunities once they get there.

Granted it's still early and the team tends to start off the season pretty cold but waiting till game #6 to get it together like last year probably not a receipt for success. I'm not too upset that they started 0-2 for the season, that one of those two was against Dallass at home in a game that they clearly should have won is significantly more annoying but those two loses are in the division which is most distressing because if you don't win in the NFC East you won't win the NFC East any team hoping for a Wild Card spot out of this division has way too much time on their hands for drinking kool-aid.
 
JohnssBass said:
...there's plenty of credit to go around for this loss. Offense, Defense, Coaches.
Special Teams wasn't a cluster eff. Other than that - everyone else had their round of screwing the pooch
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You know what's sad...we actually have the weapons on all sides of the ball that if we were firing on all cylinders, we probably would have blown them out. And that's including the 3 TDs Cousins missed downfield.
 
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