Fishing for Tips....on Fishing

Well hey, at least it's good to know that there are still some places that can be considered 'fishermen's paradise', considering all the man-made factors that have threatened the population of ocean and fish-life.

It does factor in often enough. We get pretty big fish kills from "red tide" which is some sort of algae bloom. Lots of agricultural run off causes lots of problems in general for us, and of course, friggin Lake Okeechobee is still doing water releases down the river, and that messes with the estuary and also has a nasty green algae associated with it. The A.C.E is working the problem for real finally, and construction of a reservoir. That being said, it's still a great place to fish. More so if you have a boat that can do real skinny water..... like 18 in draft. The back water, and flats fishing is still great. They use to hold the international Tarpon turny at Boca Grande which is just a few miles north. Had to move it after many years. The sharks would have a field day, and many big fish never made to the boat. Boca Grande is a special place. For like 100 years, there was a dock where all the phosphate from this area would go for transport. With all the spilling over the years, it had a huge effect on Boca Grande. The water to this day is about as pure as you're gonna find for a coastal area, and sea life thrives there. Very popular for Tarpon, and of course, sharks. My last trip there was kind of a disaster. Late day, high 90's, and we're sitting near the marker for Boca Grande pass, waiting for the other two boats to catch up. I figured I'd cool off, and jumped in. It was amazing. We were in about 25 ft of water, and you could see the bottom clear as day. I'm swimming around a bit, and something hits my foot. I look and see about a 6 or 7 ft spotted ray banking a turn down towards the bottom. Remember that line from Apocalypse Now..... never get off the ******* boat ! I did a combination of Jesus, and Chef freakin out getting back onto the boat. Lost a good anchor, and about 200 ft of rope, and then the fun began. Mike and Patrick were really wasted by the time midnight rolled around, and we were heading in. Me ,Dan, and Dave were in Dans boat, Randy Was in Alans boat, and Mike and Christy were in Patricks boat. Naturally we made it to the channel marker first, and were sitting there. Randy and Alan make it, and we see Patricks boat coming. He comes blowing right past us, and out into the open gulf.... in a 16 ft bow rider. Complete cloud cover so no natural light. Before we knew what happened, there through the pass, and out of sight. So we wait.... 10 minutes... 15.... and Randy wants to go search for them also in a small under powered boat. We squash that idea... Hey, Patrick had a cell phone, who knows his number.... you could hear a pin drop. OK wait... I'll page Mike, and give him Daves cell number. Bingo ! we get Mike on the phone. They had only just then realize the screwed up. The conversation was classic. They could see no lights in any direction, and of course, they had no compass. Don't know why it popped into my head, but I want old school, and took the hundred bazillion candle power spot light Dan had, and pointed it at the clouds..... the "Bat Signal", and it worked. We told them to look for the light on the clouds. They said it really far, but they could see it. An hour later, they were pulling along side..... with beers in hand. Thankfully, the rest of the trip back was uneventful.

I doubt I'll ever get in the water in Boca Grand again, and I don't even wade into the water at night anymore. Perfectly glassy water, and I'm about 20 yards out.... belly deep. I felt the water "move" behind me... enough to make me wobble. A few seconds later, the breaks about 10 ft to my right, with a fin coming right at me. Did another Jesus, and was on shore amazingly fast. Saw my bait bucket get bounced into, so I grab my spot light, and there I see the fin going by, and a puff of misty air.... friggin dolphin being curious. Too many big animals round these parts. They spotted another whale shark last week. Kid I work with landed about a 6 ft lemon shark Monday... 8 ft hammer heads aren't uncommon, along with lots of smaller sharks like black tips, which are very popular to nail.... very good eating.

OK, I'm ramblin here. Oh, one more thing. If you do a little research you may find a lake that is a reclaimed phosphate mine. Best fresh water lake fishing bar none.
 
Love reading in this thread. Don't know much on the salt water gig but freshwater I can contribute to.
 
Love reading in this thread. Don't know much on the salt water gig but freshwater I can contribute to.

Beyond salmon, I'm actually clueless on what ya fish for up there..... You fly fishing ?
 
If you want to go out on a boat fishing, PM me and I will put you in touch with a good friend of mine who runs out of masonboro sometimes. Good local guy who I fished with all the time when I was living there.

How could a guy like me, not like this post ?

Oh, one more thing. If you do a little research you may find a lake that is a reclaimed phosphate mine. Best fresh water lake fishing bar none.

Wow Miles, it's like you just handed me a Treasure Map
 
Beyond salmon, I'm actually clueless on what ya fish for up there..... You fly fishing ?

So far I've only been hunting reds & silver salmon. This year I'm getting on some kings, which are monsters!

Salmon is about the only fish I go for in the summer. In winter it's usually rainbow trout, Arctic char & burbot. There's a ton of other species here but these are the best eating IMO. Haven't caught one yet but hoping to catch a monster halibut out in the ocean too, good ass fillet!

Here's a listing of all the freshwater fish here. Btw I've fly fished a little but actually prefer an open face spinner.

Alaska Freshwater Fish Inventory (AFFI) - Species Reported in Alaskan Waters, Alaska Department of Fish and Game
 
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Here is what we used to nab all of our silver salmon last year. Pretty much stand on the bank and cast upstream, reeling it in.
 
Here is what we used to nab all of our silver salmon last year. Pretty much stand on the bank and cast upstream, reeling it in.

Whatever works. Place I use to fish for brown trout in CT had been a stocked pond for a bungalow colony for about 40 years. To this day, the best bait there is green giant baby niblet corn in the can. I tried frozen once thawed over night.... not a bite. The old timers there abouts say the fish had been raised on corn for generations, and it became a learned behavior to go after the little yellow tidbits. Never mattered to me, I got my bage limit dam near every time I fished Ball Pond with canned corn.
 
So, finally went out on my first fishing venture since starting the thread.
My Fishing was very successful.
However, my Catching was horrible.
There's a big difference between Fishing......and Catching !
I came up completely empty-handed. Hardly even a nibble or even a tug on the line the whole time.
I settled on squid for bait. And there wasn't much catching by anyone else around me, anyway.
One thing I began to wonder, why is it that so many "seemingly experienced fishers" use the technique of just propping up their rod on a stand, and walk away and let it sit there, until there's a nudge ?
It would seem like you would have a better chance of attracting and catching fish, and if you're gradually pulling and moving the line, all the while that it's in the water, so the bait moves, and has the appearance of being alive.
But if your rod is just sitting in a stand while you're several feet away lounging in a beach chair completely separate from it, the bait is just sitting there dead in the water, so how does that look appealing to potential fish ?
Does the water current, by itself, cause the bait to move enough, to make it look alive enough to potential suitors ?
 
Fear, I agree that constantly providing motion to your bait gives it the "alive but wounded" appearance. I think it all depends on what your going after. Like a catfish, some scour the bottom of the lake or river for inanimate food.

I'd guess the main reason to prop your pole on a popper or stand is it frees your hands up for other things, like drinking & taking photos.

Speaking of which me and a buddy are gonna go for some King's tomorrow...giggity. Hopefully have some pics of a 50 lb'r!!!
 
Had a strange night fishing tonite.
Virtually every single time I cast my line out, within seconds I would get a definite and repeated tug.
So, I kept toying with whatever was on the end of the line, trying to get it to commit. But they don't fully lock up with the hook.
Just a frequent and pronounced tug at the line, like something's taking bites off my bait, without taking the whole hook.
Eventually, I reel in the empty hooks, and re-bait
This scenario goes on and on, and plays over and over. And at first I'm thinkin, I'm bound to catch something, or a bunch of fish, because they'll eventually take a big enough bite, that they latch on.
But nothing.
All kinds of things are running through my mind, as to why this is happening.....do I not have the bait properly attached to the hook, in a way that it hooks the fish when he bites ? .....do I have crappy hooks that need an upgrade ? .....are these just really smart fish, that know how to nibble just enough to not get caught ?
then, finally, it occurred to me what I'm probably experiencing, even though I never visibly witnessed them stealing the bait.........crabs !
Would you guys agree ?
 
Yeah. That's likely crabs.
 
Bad case of the crabs huh.....


Somebody had to say it.
 
Can ya'll talk to me a little more about live bait, like live minnows for example ?
I keep hearing recommendations on it, but it seems a little tricky to me, for a couple reasons.
First, I imagine you got to be careful to attach it perfectly, so 1) it doesn't get loose and get away in the water 2) it doesn't terminate his life.
Secondly, it seems like the minnow may not live very long with a hook in him, thus rendering the advantage useless.
I guess one other advantage about live bait, is that I likely won't get robbed by crabs with it, eh ?
So, basically I'm wondering if the extra work in using live bait, is really worth it ?
 
No - I think the crabs will still go after it. Live bait can work great sometimes, I really think it's situational. Thing about live bait is, it won't be live for long. If something doesn't hit it within the first few minutes you're likely going to be fishing with dead bait that was recently alive :) I've had a lot of luck with crickets, and minnows too (I hook them through the tail). But sometimes, it's just about trying different baits and lures (and colors) until you start getting a response. I'm not an expert fisherman, but I have fished a lot over the years. Maybe some of the other guys can give you more insight. If I were going to avoid the crabs, I'd get the bait off the bottom (put a light weight on the bottom and have your hooks set up 2 or 3 feet above them so they are suspended above the bottom.
 
There's likely dozens of how to videos out there on how to hook the live bait you choose to use without killing it. Haven't used "minnows" since I was a kid, so I can't help with those. Depending on what you're fishing for should determine what type of bait. I had mentioned "free lining" live bait. Those barrel ( look like a football) weights are how we do it. It allows you to keep your bait from surfacing, while still able to swim around.

If you go with live bait, get an aeratior for a big bucket. Live bait will die faster then you think, so the more water the better. You want a white 5 gal bucket, with a vented top. You should be able to get an aerator and top for the bucket at the local walmart.
 
We also used to use a cast net in the shallow surf and you'd get all the live bait you wanted. Sand crabs can be a great bait too if they are available.
 
We also used to use a cast net in the shallow surf and you'd get all the live bait you wanted. Sand crabs can be a great bait too if they are available.


I was just going to bring that up :) We're lucky, in that we have lots of grass flats to get bait. Sand fleas also are a common bait down here. Most popular here are pin fish. About 4 to 5 inches, and there real lively. I've had them last for over 35 minutes, checked a few times.... The bigger the bait, the longer it tends to last. I remember the first time I tarpon fished. I was kind of taken back that we were putting 12 to 14 inch live lady fish on a line as bait.... those suckers will swim forever LOL
 

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