Burner's Burning Questions: Free Agency, The Mock Drafts, 2017 (Continual Updates)

No - the relevant fact is that no one can remember the last time we drafted WR in the first couple of rounds and it didn't turn out to be a horrible decision. The jury is out on Doctson and I'm hopeful I'm wrong there. But if you believe Doctson will turn out to be a guy who proves that was a great pick, then we don't NEED a WR.
 
Did a lot of film study yesterday - another mock coming tomorrow.

Got a question for everyone and would like your input.

On the first day of the draft (this year it is on Thursday, April 27), I typically post a draft in the morning and then another at noon, plus a final one in the late afternoon. I can do that again, or...

I can post the first round possibilities with all the write-ups that have been posted during the entire mocking process (the same on Friday with the second and third rounds - then rounds four through seven on Saturday).

Let me know what you think.
 
No - the relevant fact is that no one can remember the last time we drafted WR in the first couple of rounds and it didn't turn out to be a horrible decision.

I don't consider it as relevant. because we don't have the same people making those decisions, as we did, all those years of futility.
Vinny is gone, and we shouldn't make our picks, or not make certain picks, based solely on fear, superstition, and the failures of GM's who no longer work here.
 
WRs have a high failure rate and are one of the more difficult positions to project success at the NFL level with.
 
IMHO a TE & G would be our only pressing needs on offense...at the moment. Both to control opposing front 7's & would certainly balance our offense out. Hell Kouandjio "should" be that LG by all accounts, & if he's still not ready then could be time to cut bait.
 
I like the latter idea BB - no need for you to go to all the trouble of posting 3 mocks on one day...


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WRs have a high failure rate and are one of the more difficult positions to project success at the NFL level with.

Do they ? Or maybe does it just feel that way to Redskins fans, since we have not had success drafting receivers ?
Because history tells us otherwise, if we look at the league as a whole.
Since we're talking about drafting receivers in the 1st Round, let's look at the last 10 years, of all the WR's taken in the first round.
You will find a very small percentage of busts or disappointments on this list . An overwhelming number of them have been successful, productive, or above-average, or impact players, and some of them top-tier. This is a very strong group of guys.

Even more telling, is prior to drafting Doctson in 2016, the Redskins have only spent ONE first round pick on a receiver, in the 20 years prior to that (Rod Gardner....although if you go back 21 years, you can get to Westbrook). But the point here, is that we don't have enough information to go by, when it comes to Redskins drafting WR's in the 1st round to say it's a bad idea (for the Skins in particular) to spend a 1st Rounder on one. Obviously we've had terrible luck drafting them in lower rounds, but maybe that's the problem......

So, maybe the problem with the Redskins is, not so much, the difficulty projecting college to NFL receivers, or the player choices we make, or the GM's in charge, or some bad luck, but the fact that we rarely ever spend a first rounder on a WR. Because this list proves there's a lot of talent to be had in the 1st round, and maybe WR is not one of those positions, that is risky to use a first rounder on, but quite the opposite.

I actually go back 12 years, because 1) it's hard to judge the 2016 class, due to their limited opportunity, and 2) No-one drafted a WR in the first round of 2008, so I went back an additional year for that, to get a true sample.
I put asterisks on the ones that were clear busts or major disappointments, which is actually a very small percentage. So we can draw from this, that there is a high probability of getting major contributors from drafting a WR in the first round, especially if that BPA's name is John Ross !
Our offense would be unstoppable with Ross and the rest of the crew. Defense can be had in Round 2 and forward, in addition to the FA's we already picked up.

2016
Corey Coleman
Will Fuller
Josh Doctson
Laquon Treadwell

2015
Amari Cooper
Kevin White *
DeVante Parker
Nelson Agholor
Breshad Perriman
Phillip Dorsett

2014
Sammy Watkins
Mike Evans
Odell Beckham
Brandin Cooks
Kelvin Benjamin

2013
Tavon Austin
DeAndre Hopkins
Cordarrelle Patterson

2012
Justin Blackmon
Michael Floyd
Kendall Wright
A.J. Jenkins *

2011
A.J. Green
Julio Jones
Jonathan Baldwin *

2010
Demaryius Thomas
Dez Bryant

2009
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Michael Crabtree
Jeremy Maclin
Percy Harvin
Hakeem Nicks

2008
No WR’s taken in 2008 first round

2007
Calvin Johnson
Ted Ginn Jr.
Dwayne Bowe
Robert Meachem
Craig Davis *
Anthony Gonzalez *

2006
Santonio Holmes

2005
Braylon Edwards
Troy Williamson *
Mike Williams *
Matt Jones *
Mark Clayton
Roddy White
 
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I can post the first round possibilities with all the write-ups that have been posted during the entire mocking process (the same on Friday with the second and third rounds - then rounds four through seven on Saturday).

Let me know what you think.
I like this idea too, BB.
 
Free Agency, The Mock Drafts, 2017 (Continual Updates)​

Greetings from BBQ to everyone in BGO land.

Today we bring you the latest mock as we get closer to the draft of 2017 and it features ten draft choices. The roster will be full of new prospects before you know it.

As we get closer to the draft the frequency of mocks will increase. We are just over two weeks away. This week we will feature three mocks and next week will bring four. During the week of the draft, we will have a mock each day. Along the way we will feature mocks that have trades. Too, we will not be featuring mocks that have a trade involving Kirk Cousins – only if and when that actually happens.

One special note: Wednesday will bring the only mock that features multiple trades.

Feel free to offer your own ideas about the draft, free agency, team cuts, team additions, coaching changes and anything else related to these subjects. Too, we’d like to see your mocks if you are so inclined.

An extra note that we will continually post throughout the mocking process: These mocks may not necessarily be what BBQ wants or what the members at BGO may prefer. These mocks are designed to try and get into the mind of the Redskins brain trust and see what they will do. It’s not an easy task, but we’ll try to do our best.

Without any further delays, let’s take a look at the latest mock for 2017.

Team Needs:
Free Safety
Defensive Line
Inside Linebacker
Left Guard
Running Back

Round One: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
The hype is there. You have seen the games. You have watched his YouTube videos. Is he just an internet sensation - another Lache Seastrunk - or can he thrive in a pass happy offense with occasional runs off tackle? So much intrigue comes with Christian McCaffrey. No doubt that he helped the Cardinal excel in the PAC 12 and nationally, but can he truly make it in the NFL? He is tougher than many may think, but he can’t be a constant between the tackles runner. To fully utilize his skillset, the Redskins could line him up in the backfield, at tight end, in the slot, and at wideout. As a multi-faceted talent, McCaffrey would be a very dangerous player against opposing defenses.
Other Possible Targets:
Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama
Malik McDowell, DE, Michigan St.
Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio St.
Haason Reddick, ILB/OLB, Temple
Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan

Round Two: Chris Wormley, DE/DT, Michigan
The Redskins waste no time in repairing the defensive line and grab the All-Big Ten defensive lineman. The commitment to the line is real and genuine. Wormley is tenacious and very consistent – rarely makes mistakes. Extremely intelligent. He is a 3-Tech who will probably line up on the outside on most plays, but will kick to the inside at times. Very disruptive in the running game and gets occasional pressure on the quarterback. Probably needs to add about ten pounds of bulk and muscle. A dedicated team player.
Other Possible Targets:
Justin Evans, FS/SS, Texas A&M
Kevin King, CB, Washington
Budda Baker, FS, Washington
Adoree Jackson, CB, Southern California
Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma
Raekwon McMillan, ILB, Ohio St.
Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland

Round Three: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
Let’s get rid of the bad news first. Sidney Jones had a serious leg injury at the Huskies pro day and he will likely miss the 2017 season. The good news? The Redskins can possibly grab the best corner (arguably, before injury) in this draft right here. So what can the Redskins expect from the All PAC 12 standout in 2018? Tough competitor. Rarely allows separation from receivers. Consistently shuts down his side of the field. Superior speed. Elite agility. Should be a shutdown corner for a decade or more. Moderate to low risk, but very high return.
Other Possible Targets:
Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova
Anthony Walker, ILB, Northwestern
D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas
Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington
Nate Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh
Montravius Adams, DT/DE, Auburn

Round Four: Isaac Asiata, G, Utah
This very strong and powerfully built guard could be a target for the Redskins. Asiata has played tackle and center, but mostly out of necessity due to injuries along the Utes offensive line. The PAC 12 lineman has the prototypical size to play inside and left guard is his natural position. Excellent in the rushing offense, but will need some work in the pass protection schemes. This four year starter could crack the starting lineup by mid-season, maybe sooner.
Other Possible Targets:
Dalvin Tomlinson, DT/DE, Alabama
Vincent Taylor, DE, Oklahoma St.
Ryan Glasgow, DE/DT, Michigan
Elijah Qualls, DT, Washington
Jake Butt, TE, Michigan
Brendan Langley, CB, Lamar
Trey Hendrickson, OLB, Florida Atlantic

Round Four: Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M
With the trade that produced an extra fourth rounder, the Redskins use this flexibility to choose a wide receiver from the Aggies of the SEC. Steady, dependable, reliable. Not flashy, but can be a Pierre Garcon type of player who is able to provide steady production. Good route runner. Typically wins contested passes. Deceptively fast. Able to create separation much of the time. Not necessarily a red zone or home run threat, but can get you plenty of catches and yards in the open field.

Round Five: Jarron Jones, DE/DT, Notre Dame
Jones is a productive force at defensive tackle and end. He has superb athleticism for a man his size and figures to play more at the end, but could slide inside at times. Jones has the potential to dominate offensive linemen when he is in a groove and can live in the backfield. The ACC (Affiliated) standout uses his length to block passes and possesses a respectable pass rush. He can disappear at times during a game, but Jim Tomsula will likely provide good coaching and motivation.
Other Possible Targets:
Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas
Charles Walker, DE/DT, Oklahoma
Nico Siragusa, G, San Diego St.
John Johnson, FS, Boston College
Taylor Moton, G/OT, Western Michigan
Eddie Vanderdoes, DT/DE, UCLA

Round Six: Josh Tupou, DT, Colorado
There are some humongous, towering, massive mountains in Colorado – Telluride, Pikes Peak, Mount Elbert, Crestone Peak, Josh Tupou. He’s big! He eats only one meal a day – it last about eight hours. Ok, enough of the lame one liners. Let’s get to the obvious – Very strong. Plays with a passion. Good at the point of attack. Handles double teams with ease. A major cog in the middle. Excels in the rushing defense. Provides a decent pass rush. Can play in both a 3-4 and a 4-3 defense. At 6-3 and 355, the PAC 12 standout can actually run a 5.3 forty. A true Buffalo indeed.
Other Possible Targets:
Delano Hill, SS/FS, Michigan
Jordan Morgan, G, Kutztown
Josh Augusta, DT, Missouri
Jordan Evans, ILB, Oklahoma
Jehu Chesson, WR, Michigan
C.J. Beathard, QB, Iowa
Richie Brown, OLB/ILB, Mississippi St.

Round Six: Jay Guillermo, G/C, Clemson
Jay Guillermo is versatile and can play either guard or center. That’s a good reason for the Redskins to take a flyer on him. Also, there is a need to have a backup at center. He would be drafted for depth purposes, but could actually be a starter within a year or two. The ACC lineman has the massive size that is favored in the NFL for inside positions on the offensive line. Good pass protector, but would need to work on the running game.

Round Seven: David Jones, FS, Richmond
David Jones is a really special athlete. He was selected the preseason defensive player in the CAA, but an early season injury derailed part of his senior season. He returned a few weeks later and was still able to capture second team All-American honors. Last summer, Jones was projected as a second or third rounder and considered to be one of the top five free safeties available in the 2017 draft. If the Redskins are looking for a major steal, Jones would fit that profile. Decent speed. A special teams standout. Goes 6-3, 215. Plays the middle of the field like a boss. Wins “jump” balls consistently. Excellent attitude. Diligent student of the game. Graduated early (December).
Other Possible Targets:
Pharaoh Brown, TE, Oregon
Ben Boulware, ILB, Clemson
Elijah Hood, RB, North Carolina
James Quick, WR, Louisville
Ben Braden, G, Michigan
Hardy Nickerson, ILB, Illinois

Round Seven: Tyrique Jarrett, DT, Pittsburgh
The Redskins continue their commitment to stocking defensive linemen in 2017. Jarrett will need time to develop, but the All-ACC standout from Pitt would be a good addition late in the draft. Clogs up the middle very well. Would be solid in the running game, but does not bring much of a pass rush. Needs to develop a little more of a mean streak. . Good attitude and dedicated teammate. Could develop into a fine rotational player in the next year or two.

Undrafted Free Agent Prospects:
Dayon Pratt, OLB, East Carolina
Patrick Ricard, DE/DT, Maine
Erik Austell, G, Charleston Southern
Adam Griffith, K, Alabama
Chad Williams, WR, Grambling
Derrick Griffin, TE, Texas Southern
Will Holden, OT, Vanderbilt
Joey Ivie, DT, Florida
Patrick Towles, QB, Boston College
Tony Stevens, WR, Auburn

Prospects Contacted, Interviewed, Visited:
East-West Shrine game - EW
Senior Bowl - SB
Combine – NFLC
Team Pro Day – TPD
Team Visit – TV
Private Workout – PW

Billy Brown, WR, Shepherd – EW
Avery Moss, DE, Youngstown St. - EW
Erik Austell, OT, Charleston Southern – EW
De’Veon Smith, RB, Michigan - EW
Tony Stevens, WR, Auburn - EW
Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan – EW
Joey Ivie, DT, Florida – EW
Forrest Lamp, G, Western Kentucky – SB
Ryan Glasgow, DT, Michigan – SB
Brendan Langley, CB, Lamar – SB
Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M - SB
Marquez White, CB, Florida St. – SB
Ben Gedeon, ILB, Michigan – SB
Tarell Basham, DE/OLB, Ohio – SB
Zach Banner, OT/G, Southern Cal – SB
Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn – SB, NFLC
Dalvin Tomlinson, DE, Alabama – SB, NFLC
Patrick Vidal, DL, Catholic Univ. – PW
Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford – NFLC, PW
Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St. – NFLC
John Ross, WR, Washington – NFLC
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama – NFLC
JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, Southern Cal – NFLC
Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina – NFLC
Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson – NFLC
Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M – NFLC
William Holden, OT, Vanderbilt – NFLC
Danny Isidora, G, Miami – NFLC
Patrick Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech – NFLC
Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford – NFLC
Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida – NFLC
Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama – NFLC
Chris Godwin, WR, Penn St. – NFLC
Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova – NFLC, PW, TV
Jabrill Peppers, SS, Michigan – NFLC
Adoree Jackson, CB, Southern Cal – NFLC
Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas St. – NFLC
Malik Hooker, FS, Ohio St. – NFLC
Budda Baker, FS, Washington – NFLC
Jamal Adams, FS, LSU – NFLC
Malik McDowell, DE, Michigan St. – NFLC
Obi Melifonwu, SS, Connecticut – NFLC, PW, TV
Cameron Lee, G, Illinois St. – NFLC
Josh Tupou, DT, Colorado – TPD
Raekwon McMillan, ILB, Ohio State – PW
Patrick Towles, QB, Boston College – TPD
Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan – TV, PW
Patrick Ricard, DE/DT, Maine – TPD, PW
Derrick Griffin, TE, Rice – TPD
Niles Scott, DT, Frostburg St. – TV
Dayon Pratt, OLB, East Carolina – TPD
T.J. Watt, ILB/OLB, Wisconsin – PW
Chad Williams, WR, Grambling – PW
Haason Reddick, OLB/ILB, Temple – TV

There is your latest mock for 2017 and prospect lists. Free agency is winding down and the draft will be here before you know it. See you as we go along.

Hail To The Redskins!
 
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Do they ? Or maybe does it just feel that way to Redskins fans, since we have not had success drafting receivers ?
Because history tells us otherwise, if we look at the league as a whole.
Since we're talking about drafting receivers in the 1st Round, let's look at the last 10 years, of all the WR's taken in the first round.
You will find a very small percentage of busts or disappointments on this list . An overwhelming number of them have been successful, productive, or above-average, or impact players, and some of them top-tier. This is a very strong group of guys.

Even more telling, is prior to drafting Doctson in 2016, the Redskins have only spent ONE first round pick on a receiver, in the 20 years prior to that (Rod Gardner....although if you go back 21 years, you can get to Westbrook). But the point here, is that we don't have enough information to go by, when it comes to Redskins drafting WR's in the 1st round to say it's a bad idea (for the Skins in particular) to spend a 1st Rounder on one. Obviously we've had terrible luck drafting them in lower rounds, but maybe that's the problem......

So, maybe the problem with the Redskins is, not so much, the difficulty projecting college to NFL receivers, or the player choices we make, or the GM's in charge, or some bad luck, but the fact that we rarely ever spend a first rounder on a WR. Because this list proves there's a lot of talent to be had in the 1st round, and maybe WR is not one of those positions, that is risky to use a first rounder on, but quite the opposite.

I actually go back 12 years, because 1) it's hard to judge the 2016 class, due to their limited opportunity, and 2) No-one drafted a WR in the first round of 2008, so I went back an additional year for that, to get a true sample.
I put asterisks on the ones that were clear busts or major disappointments, which is actually a very small percentage. So we can draw from this, that there is a high probability of getting major contributors from drafting a WR in the first round, especially if that BPA's name is John Ross !
Our offense would be unstoppable with Ross and the rest of the crew. Defense can be had in Round 2 and forward, in addition to the FA's we already picked up.

2016
Corey Coleman
Will Fuller
Josh Doctson
Laquon Treadwell

2015
Amari Cooper
Kevin White *
DeVante Parker
Nelson Agholor
Breshad Perriman
Phillip Dorsett

2014
Sammy Watkins
Mike Evans
Odell Beckham
Brandin Cooks
Kelvin Benjamin

2013
Tavon Austin
DeAndre Hopkins
Cordarrelle Patterson

2012
Justin Blackmon
Michael Floyd
Kendall Wright
A.J. Jenkins *

2011
A.J. Green
Julio Jones
Jonathan Baldwin *

2010
Demaryius Thomas
Dez Bryant

2009
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Michael Crabtree
Jeremy Maclin
Percy Harvin
Hakeem Nicks

2008
No WR’s taken in 2008 first round

2007
Calvin Johnson
Ted Ginn Jr.
Dwayne Bowe
Robert Meachem
Craig Davis *
Anthony Gonzalez *

2006
Santonio Holmes

2005
Braylon Edwards
Troy Williamson *
Mike Williams *
Matt Jones *
Mark Clayton
Roddy White

Thanks for doing that legwork. I wasn't specifically talking first rounders only but you make a good case. And of course my perspective is skewed by the Redskins struggles over the years to hit on WR additions.


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Thanks for the input. I'll go with the latter.

Another mock coming on Wednesday and it will be the only that contains multiple trades.

Now...

Where in the world is Mike??? We need his input and insights! Where oh where are you Mike?
 
Junior Galette has been arrested.

That could impact the mocks, but not until next week. If at all.
 
Guy's a knucklehead apparently. I believe he had some domestic abuse policy issues a couple years ago too, didn't he?


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Galette did have some domestic abuse issues, but charges were dropped. Not sure if this fight involved a woman, but still he doesn't seem to put himself in the best positions. Then to try and run makes things look worse.

I have a feeling the NFL has been waiting for him to something like this. Just a gut feeling.
 
Article at NFL.com reports, 'Galette, 29, was arrested in Biloxi, Mississippi, on Friday night on suspicion of misdemeanor disorderly conduct and failure to comply with police orders, the Biloxi Police Dept. confirmed to NFL.com.'

link: Junior Galette arrested on conduct, failure to comply charges - NFL.com

There's some other details in the article but sometimes early reports are misleading or not 100% correct so I'll leave that up to the individual to draw their own conclusion.


1st round WRs - last year wasn't especially good for any of the four. None played a full season; Doctson had twice as catches (2) as Treadwell did; and Coleman & Fuller combined for 5 TDs. That's an anomaly that four 1st round WRs would stumble that much. I suspect the four will show more in 2017. Granted the Skins haven't attempted grabbing WR's (or DLineman for that matter) in the 1st but the point is it just wasn't WA last year who didn't fair well.
 
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