BGO Blind Pig: Commanders subs prevail in Dallas, on to Tampa Bay!

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The Pigs discuss the victoriously flawed but game effort against the Cowboys and what to expect in the playoff rematch at the Tampa Bay Bucs.

 
An interesting aside (at least to me)- my wife was born and raised in the Soviet Union before escaping at 25 and migrating to eastern Europe. Prior to meeting me she knew nothing, absolutely nothing, about American football. In our years together she has always looked at my Redskins passion with mostly amusement and sometimes with some barely contained, let’s say, ‘wonder’.

This season she has become a fan. Like any intelligent NFL fan, she only comes and sits down to watch in the final 5 minutes of games. This year that has been a blast because we just laugh and laugh at the buzzer. She even offered me a high-five this past Sunday. As an added bonus she now hates Dallas and can’t stand looking at Mike McCarthy. 🤣

Are things different now? You can bet your ass they are.
 
To be honest, I'm glad we got Tampa, not because of the proximity to where I live but it is unusually cold here in Florida right now, we did not play well in the heat week 1, I was there, unbelievably miserable. Tampa is not accustomed to playing in 40 degree weather or slightly colder, we've got a tad upper hand in that we're not a southern/warm team but middle of the road with body acclimation to the temperature. Also, Tampa doesn't have a power house running game, so hopefully we can focus on keeping Evans from dominating. Baker is Baker, he's going to make some plays, he is tough but I think if we can control the clock and maybe just maybe have a decent day on the ground through our RB's we'll come out with the victory.
 
That rookie RB is pretty damned good though and it doesn’t require pretty damned good to run successfully against our D.

Pick your poison I suppose Chris, not like our secondary is scaring anyone either. My friends who are Bucs season ticket holders think this game goes through Evans for them, I don't disagree.
 
Tampa will test our CBs and the officials early and often to (a) see if Lattimore is okay, and (b) see how easily that laundry is gonna fly. For some reason, the league has tended to assign certain crews when we're in Tampa. I hope they break that tradition for this game; we'll.
 
Just call me butter...
 
Great discussion, gents. Thank you.

I'm ready to make my prediction, John. :cool:

I've have had a couple days to think about it and my gut feeling hasn't changed, so at this point I don't think it will.

To me this one comes down to our defense. As in, I don't think it's good enough for playoff football. Not against an opposing offense with a solid QB, capable RB and playmaking pass catchers, all of which Tampa has. As I indicated on the pod, the combination of a Washington DL that cannot generate pass pressure with just the four downs, and secondary that cannot play effective coverage in space (between the 20's before the red zone provides some cover in compressed space), I can't picture a game in which we get enough stops.

I see a game where Baker isn't pressured into INT's as he is prone to do sometimes with people in his face, but is able to step up in the pocket against our weak interior pass rush and find guys running in space against our tentative coverage. And unlike Dallas, when Tampa does get to the red zone, I don't see them making the kinds of mistakes Dallas did that made them settle for FG's. I think Tampa is able to sustain time-consuming drives that result in TD's. I'm thinking 3 or 4 of them, plus probably a couple FG's. Hard for me to see us holding them under 30. I suspect they'll own TOP.

That last part is key as well. If we can't get Tampa's O off the field, our offensive possessions will be limited and start too many of them deep in our own end. We'll need to make the most of them. It could happen, of course. We didn't rack up 12 wins by accident--the Washington offense is capable of getting shit done. But to do it against a solid Tampa D which CAN generate pressure with it's down linemen, and a secondary that will challenge our sometimes shaky WR corps, it's going to take a very strong performance by the OL. That means both generating some space for our run game AND not letting Tampa get instant pressure up the middle in JD5's face. I know we'll have moments and will score some points. I'm just having a hard time seeing us getting the 30+ I think we're going to need. Of course, it IS the playoffs, so it's possible we'll see one of those crazy, tight LOW-scoring games that sometimes baffle everybody.

But anyway.

Totally accepting the possibility the magic will continue another week. If the 2025 Commandskins (ugh, sorry) have proven anything it's that you better not discount them. Ever. No matter what. But my head makes these predictions, not my heart.

Tampa Bay 30, Washington 26.
 
Great show again, as usual, guys!

Here's the way I see this game...

This season we've been pretty topsy-turvy, especially lately. Everytime we think we should kill a team, it's close. Everytime we think we'll likely lose, we'll win.

Who really thought we'd beat the Eagles. I thought we'd throttle the Bears, the Cowboys (twice!), the Saints, and the Falcons.
Everytime a pundit says "Oh X teams run defence is awful, so the Commanders should be able to take advantage" we suck at running the ball.
Everytime a pundit says "Oh X team is superb in pass defence!" we have a passing bonanza.

Or at least that's the way it's seemed at times.

Admittedly, it's been a fun year to watch this team defy expectations (good and bad! LOL)

On paper I feel like this should be a track meet. I don't think our D can stop Baker Mayfield and co, and I'm fairly confident that our Offense will put up 25+ points.

Looking at our common opponents, we've played them pretty evenly.

We beat the Saints 20-19 on a squeaker, the last game they played (last weekend) with the Saints they beat them 27-19 after a close game.
We beat the Panthers 40-7, they beat them most recently 48-14
They lost to the Cowboys 26-24 in a close game, we beat the 'Boys 23-19 in a close game.
Etc

These teams are pretty evenly matched I feel.

I really want to say we win this one...

And like I said, defying expectations, I'm seeing a low scoring game (because most pundits think it'll be an offensive showing and Washington likes to be contrary!) I'm saying 18-14 Washington.

(But I also know I'm watching this one with my brother who's a Tampa fan, and that alone feels like it'll jinx us! It wouldn't surprise me to see Tampa win this... and honestly while I will be disappointed, I won't be upset. This season has been a gift!)
 
Great discussion, gents. Thank you.

I'm ready to make my prediction, John. :cool:

I've have had a couple days to think about it and my gut feeling hasn't changed, so at this point I don't think it will.

To me this one comes down to our defense. As in, I don't think it's good enough for playoff football. Not against an opposing offense with a solid QB, capable RB and playmaking pass catchers, all of which Tampa has. As I indicated on the pod, the combination of a Washington DL that cannot generate pass pressure with just the four downs, and secondary that cannot play effective coverage in space (between the 20's before the red zone provides some cover in compressed space), I can't picture a game in which we get enough stops.

I see a game where Baker isn't pressured into INT's as he is prone to do sometimes with people in his face, but is able to step up in the pocket against our weak interior pass rush and find guys running in space against our tentative coverage. And unlike Dallas, when Tampa does get to the red zone, I don't see them making the kinds of mistakes Dallas did that made them settle for FG's. I think Tampa is able to sustain time-consuming drives that result in TD's. I'm thinking 3 or 4 of them, plus probably a couple FG's. Hard for me to see us holding them under 30. I suspect they'll own TOP.

That last part is key as well. If we can't get Tampa's O off the field, our offensive possessions will be limited and start too many of them deep in our own end. We'll need to make the most of them. It could happen, of course. We didn't rack up 12 wins by accident--the Washington offense is capable of getting shit done. But to do it against a solid Tampa D which CAN generate pressure with it's down linemen, and a secondary that will challenge our sometimes shaky WR corps, it's going to take a very strong performance by the OL. That means both generating some space for our run game AND not letting Tampa get instant pressure up the middle in JD5's face. I know we'll have moments and will score some points. I'm just having a hard time seeing us getting the 30+ I think we're going to need. Of course, it IS the playoffs, so it's possible we'll see one of those crazy, tight LOW-scoring games that sometimes baffle everybody.

But anyway.

Totally accepting the possibility the magic will continue another week. If the 2025 Commandskins (ugh, sorry) have proven anything it's that you better not discount them. Ever. No matter what. But my head makes these predictions, not my heart.

Tampa Bay 30, Washington 26.

Absolutely rational take as always. Couple of thoughts. You aren’t wrong about our defense. But one thing I don’t think the D gets enough credit for are their 2nd half adjustments. We are a much better D in the 2nd half than in the 1st. We have given up a ton of rushing yards early in games, so much so it’s felt like all the opponent has to do is to keep handing off and they will rout us. But in 2nd halves we have shut that down. And in the red zone this undermanned and outmatched D has held over and over again.

One thing we can’t have happen is Lattimore or St Juste or Sainristil get flagged 5 or 6 times for PI or other penalties to extend drives. We have been making a lot of those kinds of mistakes - perhaps some of which is inevitable (ie.. commit the foul or give up an easy TD). But in this one we can’t afford to give them free 1st downs.

I think it’s a tough matchup - but it’s the playoffs and they are all tough.

One last thing. We have talked a lot about this season being ‘found money’ - getting to the playoffs in year 1, we have already won. For that reason, I think the gameplan is going to be very aggressive. We will take some chances. I think Kliff’s inclination is going to be to let Jayden be Jayden. Our secret weapon is Jayden taking off with the ball. They know all about it but that doesn’t mean they can stop it. If Jayden is reasonably healthy the key to us winning on the road against a very good team will be unleashing Jayden 100%. If Jayden is dinged/hurt and they don’t feel they can do that, it won’t bode well for us. But if he is good to go, I expect him to be unleashed to a degree we haven’t seen all year. And that gives us a chance - against anyone, no matter how susceptible our D is.
 
I think our secret weapon is Jayden's slipperiness and ability to reset and hit receivers. Yes, the runs are magic at times, but when he breaks free and unloads one forty yards downfield that hits the receiver perfectly in stride that's when defenses have to throw up their hands.

Running Jayden can be limited. Running and passing Jayden is devastating.
 
Another thing. In the first game, we started BSJ and Forbes at corner. This time, Lattimore and Mikey.
 
Great point … I’d say that’s a smidge of an upgrade
 
I think our secret weapon is Jayden's slipperiness and ability to reset and hit receivers. Yes, the runs are magic at times, but when he breaks free and unloads one forty yards downfield that hits the receiver perfectly in stride that's when defenses have to throw up their hands.

Running Jayden can be limited. Running and passing Jayden is devastating.

Yes. Absolutely right.
 
Not to be overly confident, but I read that the team can't "get flagged for penalties" or "turn the ball over" or "fail to score TDs" a lot on these predictions. What's becoming clear is that this team can overcome a lot of sloppy play. In the past, I'd agree that it took a perfect-ish game to win for the Skins. I don't think that's the case anymore. If Daniels is at the top of his game, he can erase a lot of mistakes.
 
This will be a difficult game family-wise. My son-in-law is a big Tampa Bay fan. Before moving to Virginia he attended many TB games since his family has season tix. House Divided!
Should I tell him to watch the game at his home? :)

Anyway to be a contrarian: this will be a low scoring defensive struggle! Everyone and the bettors are predicting an O/U of +50. This is play-off football; I foresee a low-scoring game. What is the "pucker" factor? Apart from Wagner and Ertz, who has playoff experience on our team? While TB has been there each of the past 4 years.

Baker will feed Evans whether Latt plays of not, just like the Eagles fed Brown. It is the Lombardi theory: attack the strength of your opponent. If/when you beat him by going against strength, then you have imposed your will on your opponent. And they will try to run rookie RB down our throat. Can we stop him?

If I am correct in my prediction of a low scoring game, then it comes down to kickers. Who is confident in our fourth FG kicker?

I expect DQ to continue to play aggressive. Damn, this is fun!

HTTR!
 

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