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The concerning thing is, Kliff saw what happened to Jayden, and yet when Mariota has to step in (the only other viable QB on the roster), he goes right back to the same type of playcalling with predictable results.
 
Boone said:
The concerning thing is, Kliff saw what happened to Jayden, and yet when Mariota has to step in (the only other viable QB on the roster), he goes right back to the same type of playcalling with predictable results.
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Yeah, it’s a pattern and shows some sort of lack of adaptability. It’s worrisome.
 
I was trying to figure out what the disconnect was between Peters and KK and I think you guys have hit on it. Too many run calls for his prize QB. I was concerned when I heard that he lead the league, by far, in rush attempts for a QB his rookie season.
 
Yeah, 891 yards rushing from your quarterback shows his physical talent but doesn't speak much to his potential longevity.
 
I firmly believe almost all good coaches are stubborn to an extent. And one man's 'stubborn' is another man's 'committed to my beliefs'.

Being strong-willed and having self-belief are not inherently bad things - but when things are going well, you are going to get a lot of scrutiny and criticism if that is your nature.
 
Bulldog said:
Peters was in NE, Denver and SF. I find it hard to believe he likes what he is seeing on the field in regards to Daniels carries and yardage from scrimmage - over 17 games it really isn't sustainable.
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If AP didn’t want his quarterback running all the time, then why did he draft JD and sign KK?

Jayden Daniels is a running quarterback. He had 3,300 rushing yards in college including 1,100 in his last season. Then he led the team in rushing his rookie year. It would be silly to handicap him by taking away one of his greatest strengths. And of course KK is known for having his quarterbacks run a lot everywhere he has been, which is part of why pairing him with JD makes sense.

I don’t even disagree it would be more sustainable to have a normal passing offense with a pocket passer, but we decided not to be that the minute we drafted JD.

I know people hate the comparison, but I recall us having a very similar conversation around Shanny and RG3.
 
Bulldog said:
Yeah, 891 yards rushing from your quarterback shows his physical talent but doesn't speak much to his potential longevity.
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Right, and he also had 1,100 rushing yards the year he was drafted. That’s just who he is. If we didn’t want a running quarterback and the associated injury risk, then we should have drafted somebody else.
 
I think the point is - it's not an either/or scenario. It is quite possible to have a 'running QB' (which we do) and not use him constantly on designed runs that put him in extreme harm's way. It's also possible to coach him to play less recklessly.

Russell Wilson was a dual threat QB who didn't miss a single start over 9 years in Seattle. Using a dual threat QB and protecting him aren't mutually exclusive.
 
Boone said:
I think the point is - it's not an either/or scenario. It is quite possible to have a 'running QB' (which we do) and not use him constantly on designed runs that put him in extreme harm's way. It's also possible to coach him to play less recklessly.

Russell Wilson was a dual threat QB who didn't miss a single start over 9 years in Seattle. Using a dual threat QB and protecting him aren't mutually exclusive.
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Yeah. Daniels isn’t RG3, his ability to run is a deadly weapon he has, but he can also develop into an elite passer. Some of the ball placement we saw from Daniels as a rookie was absurd. He will always frustrate defenses as a scrambler when things break down, or there’s just an obvious lane. But we don’t need to lean on it so much as a part of the game plan as he develops, which will keep him healthier—or at least, that should be their thinking. Anything else is just reckless. Especially because he isn’t even a great decision-maker when deciding to give or keep on RPO’s anyways. He has plenty of other strengths to emphasize.
 
Conn said:
Especially because he isn’t even a great decision-maker when deciding to give or keep on RPO’s anyways. He has plenty of other strengths to emphasize.
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Yeah, weirdly I think Daniels is a bit like me in that. I've had so many bad experiences in groups that it's sometimes tough for me not to take on the whole burden because I trust me to get things done and I don't always trust my teammates. I think Daniels default is keeping the ball and it's just hard for him to let go of it. If they can't work that out of him then the OC should call RPO a lot less. His decison making in other areas seems to be good. He processes the field quickly, has a good sixth sense about when the pocket is falling apart and when to run, and isn't that bad about ducking out of bounds or sliding. But when it comes to giving the RB his touches or keeping it himself to run with I think Daniels wants to keep it 9/10 times.
 
Boone said:
I think the point is - it's not an either/or scenario. It is quite possible to have a 'running QB' (which we do) and not use him constantly on designed runs that put him in extreme harm's way. It's also possible to coach him to play less recklessly.

Russell Wilson was a dual threat QB who didn't miss a single start over 9 years in Seattle. Using a dual threat QB and protecting him aren't mutually exclusive.
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This. Nothing wrong with a QB who can run. Plenty wrong with him having the most carries, by far, of any QB in the league.
 
If we have any identity at all its stressing the defense with Jayden's dual threat ability. Pace, tempo, and aggressiveness on 4th downs, and again, it's Jayden's threat as a runner that is key. It seems to me that Jayden gets hurt when he scrambles and mostly when he gets pulled down from pursuit.

Switching to a West Coast style is a big reset. I'm not real confident that Jayden makes the transition well. Especially with out a top tier West Coast OC.

Maybe the RPO style QB and offense is just not sustainable at this level. Let alone the next evolution of NFL offense.
 
0rder 0f 0ut said:
If we have any identity at all its stressing the defense with Jayden's dual threat ability. Pace, tempo, and aggressiveness on 4th downs, and again, it's Jayden's threat as a runner that is key. It seems to me that Jayden gets hurt when he scrambles and mostly when he gets pulled down from pursuit.

Switching to a West Coast style is a big reset. I'm not real confident that Jayden makes the transition well. Especially with out a top tier West Coast OC.

Maybe the RPO style QB and offense is just not sustainable at this level. Let alone the next evolution of NFL offense.
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Jayden's threat as a runner IS a significant part of this offense.

I think you are right. Kliff has made intonations on that multiple times in pressers. So no, I don't think it is much in his view to change that.

Yes, I think it could be a major problem, though, that they have to consider. Jayden has elite running ability, but he has a great arm too. That needs to be developed properly, along with maturing the instinct (as DQ has said in multiple pressers!) to keep his eyes downfield. When you encourage your QB to threaten the defense with his legs a lot, though - I think it's significantly harder to teach the other part at the same time. Another thing you will struggle with is teaching how to avoid grounding well. When you are emphasizing how much he can beat them with his legs, and not the other two typical pocket passer traits (keep your eyes downfield and be ready to release, and awareness of the tackle box to avoid intentional grounding)... I think you end up with what we saw a lot this year in his relatively fewer starts.

Just my thoughts.
 
Great convo. I was watching a Giants game recently for some reason and the analyst (Brady?) said why do they keep calling designed runs for Dart, they are going to get him killed. He got injured about five minutes later if I remember correctly. I do remember thinking join the club though, you could say the identical thing about Kliff and Daniels. It has to stop.
 
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