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Random Commanders Thoughts

Speaking of Reed, I wonder when an official announcement will be made, whether he returns.

At this point I'd hope he retires, risking another head injury isn't worth it. Releasing him for his own good and our cap relief should be the sought after imho. Give him Larry Michaels job or something
 
Wasn't it the Viking losing in overtime a few years ago that got overtime changed to where a field goal gives each team a possession or the saints?
 
No one said 'whoever wins the coin toss is going to win' - that's obviously false. But a coin toss should not give one opponent a large advantage over the other - and the current model does. The advantage of giving each team a possession is that all of the team's units were given the opportunity to play. In yesterday's game, once OT started, the Saints offense had zero opportunity to determine the final outcome. In what universe is that fair or desirable?

Whether the league has gone too far in promoting offense or whether 'defense wins championships' - those are irrelevant. The goal is to give an opportunity for the best team, on offense, defense, and special teams, to win the game. Neither sudden death nor the current model do that.

The injury argument is not one without merit. But how far are you going to take that? We could shorten halves to 10 minutes and we'd reduce injuries. Do you want that? We could eliminate kickoffs and reduce injuries - does that make it a better game. Injuries can happen anytime at any point in the game. Yes - logically if you extend games you may have more injuries. But I think setting up a system where the best team wins the game is a core need and trumps anything else. Just my opinion. You'd likely be talking about one more team possession per game - I don't think that creates unreasonable risk.

Every great coach tells you(Joe Gibbs did all the time) that it takes all three units to win a game.

So now, we discount defense by saying the coin toss winner has the advantage? I don't buy that.

Great coaches tell their defense to make a play.

No such thing as having this great advantage by winning a coin toss. Defenders get paid big bucks to get stops.

Do your job.
 
Hopefully...the Skns hire a specialist to train its captains to better guess the outcomes of coin flips! We must also train the team to only get into OT while on the road.
 
The defense is crucial no matter what the OT system. The difference is, with an extended OT or a 'both teams get a possession' model, both teams have to field their defense. We're not going to agree on this, but why would you want to take a game that's been fought to a standstill in regulation, and then have it be decided by only 1 unit - makes no sense to me, and it's patently unfair to the team that doesn't 'win' the coin toss.
 
The defense is crucial no matter what the OT system. The difference is, with an extended OT or a 'both teams get a possession' model, both teams have to field their defense. We're not going to agree on this, but why would you want to take a game that's been fought to a standstill in regulation, and then have it be decided by only 1 unit - makes no sense to me, and it's patently unfair to the team that doesn't 'win' the coin toss.

Defense is crucial but then you say only one unit decides? Which is it?

Can a defense step up and make a play and change the game or not? Or are you saying the rules have tilted the game in the offense's favor so much that a defense can no longer do it's job?
 
Defense is crucial but then you say only one unit decides? Which is it?

Can a defense step up and make a play and change the game or not? Or are you saying the rules have tilted the game in the offense's favor so much that a defense can no longer do it's job?

I don't know how I can say it any clearer. In OT, both offense and defense on both teams should get on the field before a winner is decided.


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I get where Boone is coming from. They did the touchdown vs FG rule in 2010 split the difference between his view and the sudden death crowd.

I think I fall on the current rules because 1) there's no guarantee each team has equal possessions in regulation and 2) if its tied after both teams get a possession what then? Two more possessions for each team? Do we move towards the college model?
 
I'm probably in the minority, but I'm in favor of the old OT rule. You had 60 minutes to win the game. Going to OT is always a crap shoot. Your defense can stop them if they get the ball first. Plus, I think coaches have become too content just playing for OT. Take yesterday with the Saints. They completely bungled the last few plays because they knew they could kick a FG and get it to OT. If they knew they would not get the ball in OT, they would have been more aggressive trying to win the game at the end of regulation. Instead they settle for the FG and head to OT where they never get the ball. That's the reason I prefer sudden death, first team to score any points wins. Your job is to win the game in 60 minutes, not try to tie.
 
I'm probably in the minority, but I'm in favor of the old OT rule. You had 60 minutes to win the game. Going to OT is always a crap shoot. Your defense can stop them if they get the ball first. Plus, I think coaches have become too content just playing for OT. Take yesterday with the Saints. They completely bungled the last few plays because they knew they could kick a FG and get it to OT. If they knew they would not get the ball in OT, they would have been more aggressive trying to win the game at the end of regulation. Instead they settle for the FG and head to OT where they never get the ball. That's the reason I prefer sudden death, first team to score any points wins. Your job is to win the game in 60 minutes, not try to tie.
No, there's a few of us who like the old sudden death method.

Boone, I have to ask, do you want to do something like NCAA or entire field kickoffs giving both teams a possession?
 
Why the need to be rigid about possessions in OT, if there is no rules or rigidness of alternating possessions in the 1st 4 quarters ?
Only baseball alternates possessions that rigidly.
A team theoretically could go an entire 4th quarter without a single offensive possession, but we don't hand them a free possession if that happens in the 4th. So why should we do it in OT ?
 
I don't know how I can say it any clearer. In OT, both offense and defense on both teams should get on the field before a winner is decided.


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And they will if the 1st defense does it's job and makes a stop. ;)

If not, game over and accept the loss.
 
Why the need to be rigid about possessions in OT, if there is no rules or rigidness of alternating possessions in the 1st 4 quarters ?
Only baseball alternates possessions that rigidly.
A team theoretically could go an entire 4th quarter without a single offensive possession, but we don't hand them a free possession if that happens in the 4th. So why should we do it in OT ?

‘Theoretically'. How many times has that happened in NFL history though? Apples and oranges here Fear. An opponent that allows an opponent to keep the ball an entire quarter probably doesn't have much of a gripe. A team that never gets to possess the ball in OT due to an arbitrary rule might.


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No, there's a few of us who like the old sudden death method.

Boone, I have to ask, do you want to do something like NCAA or entire field kickoffs giving both teams a possession?

I'd prefer minimum of a standard possession for each team with kickoffs.

Look - the current system (stastically) shows that since the new model was implemented the team who wins the toss has no clear advantage. It doesn't matter whether they do or they don't. I think that is because it's hard to score a TD on a single drive with two evenly matched deadlocked teams. My point is that when the first possession does result in a TD, I think it's unjust for the primary reason I've stated - because it means the outcome was decided by just one unit of each football team. Why not remove any sniff of inequity by giving each team an offensive possession?


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how many have won on the first possession?

Haven't seen a definitive current stat on that. I did see a 2016 article saying that as of then, a team drove for a winning TD on the first OT possession in 13 out of 73 games (17.8%).

Even if they didn't score the walk-off TD, the team winning the toss still ended up winning the game 54.2% of the time though.

Bottom line seems to be that winning the toss still creates a measurable advantage.

I don't think there is any great solution to overtime, but if it were up to me I would switch to the college rules. I rarely walk away from college OT games thinking somebody got hosed by the coin flip.


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‘Theoretically'. How many times has that happened in NFL history though?
Exactly zero times.

The longest drive in NFL history was on November 27, 1997 when the Tennesse Oilers manufactured a 20 play 90 yard drive against the Dallas Cowboys that chewed 13:27 off the clock. Even at the collegiate level it's never been done, as the record there is 14:03.
 

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