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2021 Roster Updates

My question is then in a quarterback starved league why Mariota was shopped and no one was interested in giving up anything of value to the Titans before his departure as a free agent. And then once a street free agent, no team of note seemed interested in him, including the teams that everyone here are mentioning as ones who plan on drafting high or looking for qb help in the trade or FA market - SF, LA, NE, CAR, JAX, etc.

The Raiders signed him for depth and for a team that finished under .500 and missed the playoffs he was a clear backup, only playing one game for the team in 2020. That's hardly a ringing endorsement that Washington trading draft assets for him is going to get something great the rest of the league was sleeping on.

I think Mariota is what teams thought he was in 2019 - a bottom half of the league starting quarterback that was in retrospect overdrafted.

At 27 he can start games and be a better option than the motley collection of backups we see on many teams like Colt McCoy and that's why Jon Gruden signed him, as an insurance policy.

It's just my assumption, but in the case that Gruden trades Derrick Carr, Marcus Mariota will not be the full-time starting quarterback in Las Vegas.
 
The landscape of the NFL changes so quickly that a C graded QB can go from a questionable investment to an upgrade. Offensive systems change like the stock market so fit and ability changes just as quickly. A guy who is a cast off because he lacks certain traits but is plus in other traits that may not be as sought after can quickly become a guy you want to think about.

I'm still convinced that Jason Campbell was about 10 years ahead of his time. If he were entering THIS draft, people would be asking if he's the next Josh Allen or the next Dwayne Haskins. 5 years ago the prototype for QB was big arm, 6'5" 230 (Jason Campbell's exact measurements BTW). Now we're seeing the trend that you can still win with a smaller, more of the Short Stop style player. Athletic, multi-purpose type that can evade and buy time.

Again, i'm not a fan of giving Mariota $20mil, but 2 years / $10 - $12mil total, I would be up for that.
 
SilentThreat said:
Is it bad that I am not upset to hear this?

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Nope. I’m not upset either. The cost is going to be too great and I don’t think they have what it takes. It’s sad because he is a great QB, but I think the cost to get him would keep the team from addressing the OL, WR, LB, and DB positions. They would have to play with bargain basement types or hope they find the Diamond in the rough in the draft.
 
Well, Washington really can't afford to part with 3 #1 draft picks and a player such as Montez Sweat for Watson.

As much as I would like to have him on our team going forward, the LA trade for Stafford set the bar SO HIGH on trading for a potential franchise quarterback that to get one of the BEST 3-5 in the NFL, it's going to cost an absolute fortune.

Perhaps Dallas with the specter of not wanting to pay Dak Prescott $38M a year will decide to pull the trigger and offer up a trade package of 3 #1 picks, a #2 and a player like CeeDee Lamb.

To me that's suicide, but Jones at 77 is desperate for a winner and is more likely to make that throw of the dice.

Rivera at 58 seems more patient and willing to build gradually and without taking unnecessary risks that might set the franchise back significantly.

I mention Dallas because it is unlikely that Houston would trade Watson to the Miami Dolphins in the AFC. That would be too much of an open wound for Texans' fans.

Another NFC team is Carolina, but again the coaches there seem to be team builders. Risking all on a throw of the dice when they are in position to draft a promising quarterback doesn't seem a high probability move for them.
 
This could be a name to watch...





These are the types of moves that are going to likely happen over the next couple months.... quality players becoming unexpected cap casualties, and we've got money to spend. Van Noy was scheduled to make $12.5 mil this year. He will be 30 when the season starts.
 
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You have to be careful with Van Noy. When he was drafted in Round 2 by the Lions he flopped his first couple of years in the league.

Belichick traded for him and put him in a different system with different responsibilities and he flourished.

So, if Washington were to sign him or other vets that are released around the league fit is incredibly important.

We know that the last regime under Allen never thought about fit.

They signed Josh Norman to a league top 5 contract and then put a zone corner into a man cover scheme where his lack of speed was an issue.

They signed Landon Collins to a top 5 safety contract and kidded themselves thinking he could cover and be a hybrid box/cover safety legitimizing the dollars handed out.

When we saw Collins on the field he was comfortable within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage - just as he was in NY.

Washington deluded itself into thinking players could do different things here than what they had done before and still perform at a high level.

We see how that worked out.
 
if there is anything Rivera and co have proven to this point, it's that they ONLY bring in players that fit what they want. We had one of the best free agent classes in history if you're viewing it as Cost vs Production. They also swung and missed on Cooper and did not panic.

Fit obviously matters, it matters for every player on any team in any situation. We are about to watch a HOF talent walk away because we asked him to cover TEs.

New team / New coach / New mentality

I don't know the nuance between Van Noy and how Del Rio would use him, but he's the type of player you want anchoring your LB corps. He's a vet, very positive, very team mentality. If he doesn't fit the scheme, so be it, but he fits the mold of the type of player that we've brought in over the last 12 months.
 
Right, and Washington is in VERY good position right now to take advantage of the 'massacre' and sign a couple of high profile NFL players being released from other clubs that would not normally become available at age 27 or 28.

This is the one year where dollars available under the cap is vital, perhaps the most important in a decade.

For Washington, 2021 COULD with proper management be a corollary to 1986 when the USFL folded.

The Redskins were able to acquire Ricky Sanders, Gary Clark, Doug Williams and Kelvin Bryant and these players helped us win Super Bowls.
 
Heads up all!

Chat will be open for the start of free agency on Wednesday 3/17 at 4pm. Anyone is welcome to join chat and just catch up and depending on participation, chat will be open the majority of the evening.

Please feel free to join us as we can try to keep up with moves, break down signings, and just get together and catch up as friends!!!!
 
Best of luck to him. Parting shots aside, love him as a human being. He did everything he could during his time in DC. Just wasn’t to be.
 
No, wasn't to be if the guy wants to continue to play until he absolutely is sure of leaving the game a cripple.

Forgetting any value to Washington, as a football observer my one thought is that Smith is not a deep thrower and depended upon his mobility to bootleg and make throws while allowing receivers that time to get open.

Now, he is strictly a pocket quarterback playing on a surgically repaired leg that has an iron brace.

There's no way I can see him being anything other than a backup in 2021. Perhaps he can go to Chicago, where quarterbacks careers go to die.

But if he ever is to win a Super Bowl it is going to be holding for extra points and field goals as Mark Brunell did late in his career when he no longer had any zip to his fastball and injuries had over the years reduced his athleticism.
 
Just throwing it out there that we're less than 48 hours from legal tampering with no contracts for Darby or Scherff
 
It’s quiet. Too quiet. There are some pretty good OL in this FA class. We have options.
 
I’m actually keener on Darby.
 
Former player from 'The U', 2nd round pick, only 28 years old...but has missed a lot of time with injuries, has never played a full 16 games over his 6 year career.
 
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