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Random Commanders Thoughts

Spurrier's legacy lives on........

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">😭😭😭😭😭 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MINvsSF?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MINvsSF</a> <a href="https://t.co/4OTvarSqno">pic.twitter.com/4OTvarSqno</a></p>— Chris (@Thor_Cipher) <a href="https://twitter.com/Thor_Cipher/status/1216145437846982656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
KOC was in no position to demand anything. Glorified QBs coach with almost no OC experience. I know. McVay. No one who knows O'Connell would ever put him in the same sentence as McVay. He's not here because Rivera thought Turner was better.

That may turn out to be wrong. We'll see down the road. But KOC is only in LA because Rivera thought he had a better OC in Turner.

I personally don't care Boone. I hear a whole multitude of rationalizations for Rivera. I agree with you the HC should pick whomever he prefers for his staff. That he is bringing along his Carolina buddies for the ride is fine - I'm totally unimpressed with their record in Carolina. No matter the rationale - and it goes well beyond Cam - these folks couldn't pull it togteher. They lost this season and the previous season. Rivera was on a short leash for more than one season and he couldn't pull it off. When the challenge was there - they didn't get it done. Hope they succeed here - meaning a SB win within our lifetimes.

Six losing seasons out of nine at Carolina isn't my idea of a superior staff. So be it. We have our coach - can't be worse than any of the others during the Snyder descent.
 
I don't think anyone is hailing Rivera as the 2nd coming of Lombardi. I think it only seems that way to you because you are incessantly negative.
 
Bill Cowher, all of one SB win, a HOFer?

Joe Jacoby, he of three rings and four SBs played, isn't?

Horse Hockey

I said the same thing to a coworker who's a Steelers fan. I never was impressed by Cowher. Then my coworker told me to check his numbers. I have to admit, he might be better than I ever gave him credit for.

8 division titles, 12 winning seasons in 15 years, won 11 or more games 7 times, only finished last once, and went to the Super Bowl twice, winning one. Oh, and a .623 winning percentage, good for 14th all time among coaches with 10+ years of experience.

After seeing that, it's hard to argue against him being in the HOF. I think a lot of the perceptions we have of Cowher come from the fact that for most of his career, the media dubbed the Steelers the preseason SB favorite, and hey didn't always live up to the hype.

All that aside, Jacoby not being there is an absolute joke, just like it was when Monk was getting shunned every year.
 
I don't think anyone is hailing Rivera as the 2nd coming of Lombardi. I think it only seems that way to you because you are incessantly negative.

That's not totally fair. I am leery of also being labeled incessantly negative, but the problem is, with honesty and respect, there is little to be positive about with the Skins. Lipstick on a pig doesn't excite when it's just another shade. I fell for it before, as many have said.

I do respect your analysis and approach, I'd call it rational positivity. There's nothing wrong with any of what you're saying, it's totally rational. The only thing is, we've seen where coaches brought guys they were comfortable with along for the ride. We've seen it fail multiple times. In this case, Rivera is doing it with a group that wasn't spectacular in Carolina (if they were spectacular, it would be a reason for excitement).

I will say, though, I'm excited for the defense. I think there is good potential there. I also think that with a good defense you can do a LOT. You can also start to address other problems when you get some solid play even in one dimension. So I think there IS reason for hope here, on the defensive side. The main red flag here is that it doesn't look like an attempt is being made to bring the best in.

I do have experience hiring people, and there is value in bringing proven winners aboard who you know. There is also value in bringing people whose strengths and weaknesses you are familiar with, if you have a good working relationship. You have to be able to balance all of that with what they have truly accomplished though, and make honest assessments. As you said, it's a largely naive viewpoint (I openly admit that), but I don't agree with how the calculus looks from here. I see some potential problems brewing in the offense and maybe even personnel. The one that concerns me the most is personnel.

By the way, I have FOR YEARS though it really funny that people hyped Redskins personnel guys while at the same time deriding Redskins draft and FA performance. So I'm not really concerned about losing people from that department, and I don't really care about reputations earned from reporters. What I do care about, is the replacement's rep, and what I view as what was used to evaluate them. That's the part that's concerning. I don't think Carolina's recent personnel moves have been all that awe inspiring either (which is why I enjoy seeing Gettleman get renewed with NYG; I see nothing to justify the confidence there, so it's good news to me, I think they are trying to run their organization "the right way" and have continuity, so I'll enjoy what I hope will be continued subpar performance).

As others have said, if there proves to be a reasonable hook, that's fine, but we'll lose at least a year figuring that out. So it goes. Hopefully it will just work out.
 
The biggest thing I think Ron can do is change our culture. The way we practice, the way we carry ourselves, the way we compete. All of those things were lacking so bad under Gruden that this is a breath of fresh air.

I am not delusional thinking we run the table next year. heck, we might only get 6 wins. but, the way we conduct business is about to get Joe Gibbs level of professional. That is what I like most about this hire. Ron hasn't played since I watched him as the DC in San Diego.
 
Nice posts guys. I am skeptical myself. But I also don't buy into the ‘we are doomed forever' mantra.


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The biggest thing I think Ron can do is change our culture. The way we practice, the way we carry ourselves, the way we compete. All of those things were lacking so bad under Gruden that this is a breath of fresh air.

I am not delusional thinking we run the table next year. heck, we might only get 6 wins. but, the way we conduct business is about to get Joe Gibbs level of professional. That is what I like most about this hire. Ron hasn't played since I watched him as the DC in San Diego.



AND he's going to have a very favorable situation in our minds because it does not include Allen. He's starting with what appears to be a full deck, when the last 20 years of coaches haven't had that luxury.

There is A LOT of optimism with this organization, and Rivera is already beloved by a large group of that... if for no other reason that the fact that we feel like we can breathe a little bit, and he is a representation of that. He could flame out..... he could be terrible. He could also be really good, and for the first time since Snyder took over, HE appears to be the primary factor of that outcome. Watching previous head coaches struggle, only to KNOW that Vinny / Bruce possibly were the biggest contributing factor, was like trying to breathe with your head in a fish bowl.

Dan is still there, so a lot of this is contingent on him changing, something that hardly anyone TRULY has confidence in. That said, the moves appear to be good ones. Rivera has picked his guys, a handful of them coming over from Carolina. Scott Turner being OC while KOC walks gives me a level of hope that Snyder truly is allowing Rivera to build it how he wants to build it. Time will tell... but with Allen / Gruden / Manusky gone, going into 2020 feels A LOT different than 2019, and 2019 was bad.... Different could, and should, be good.
 
There are actually folks on Twitter who are suggesting Chris Cooley will be the next GM - I mean - it's mind-boggling. Others are suggesting Cooley may be put into an offensive quality control position.

I don't want Cooley anywhere near this team. First of all, he's a snarky, arrogant SOB. Secondly, he's one of those Snyder hanger's on who I suspect has tried to 'advise' Snyder on a number of things over the years.

He's not the kind of guy I want anywhere near this team... so I hope none of these rumors prove to be true.
 
I wonder if the Rams will be a better team than Washington going forward.

They have misgauged their cap dollar commitments to certain players, leaving them in the position to have to cut guys to be able to field 53 and stay under the limits.
 
I don't think anyone is hailing Rivera as the 2nd coming of Lombardi. I think it only seems that way to you because you are incessantly negative.

The inner shrink steps forward!

Once again you are making assumptions that might lack accuracy.

Doesn't really matter.

Each night when my head hits the pillow I am sure of one thing: whatever macochistic tendancies that may have harbored within my soul - DS has beaten those out of my system. See?! I can find the silver lining!

Ron, Don, Ding Dong....it never ceases to amaze how the discussion never factors in the competition - specifically within the division.

In the event, life goes on! The Skins are just a side-show.
 
To the other "skeptics" I have one silver lining that gives me a little ray of hope...

Say what you will about his losing a step in terms of game planning and the game having passed him by during his 2nd stint, but one thing that seems to still be true about Joe Gibbs; he can evaluate and hire great talent (i.e coaches or managers or crew chiefs etc). The man has the Midas touch when it comes to running a competitive sports business. If he is a fan of Rivera, spends as much time as he apparently has recently and gives him the green light to come here and turn things around Rivera just might be what we've been waiting on. A reach? Maybe but I am at the point many other skeptics are...show me before I buy in.

No matter what though, Allen is gone and by all appearances a LOT of REAL changes are taking place. That can't be anything but good at this point.
 
The inner shrink steps forward!

Once again you are making assumptions that might lack accuracy.

Doesn't really matter.

Each night when my head hits the pillow I am sure of one thing: whatever macochistic tendancies that may have harbored within my soul - DS has beaten those out of my system. See?! I can find the silver lining!

Ron, Don, Ding Dong....it never ceases to amaze how the discussion never factors in the competition - specifically within the division.

In the event, life goes on! The Skins are just a side-show.

I should send you back to the other place so you can have your memory jogged on what an asshole really looks like :)

You're pretty damn negative Al - I'm not the only one who feels that way. You could at least let some of us enjoy the sea changes occurring and wait for a few games before you start in...


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I should send you back to the other place so you can have your memory jogged on what an asshole really looks like :)
No need the-right-way-to-do-it_o_103206.jpg
 
Okay - I may be a little bit of an asshole :) Sorry Al. Carry on.


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The fact is the Browns once fired a coaching staff that included Belichick and Nick Saban.

Marty Hurney to me hasn't proven enough as GM in Carolina to think he necessarily made the right move.

The Panthers were 5-7 when Rivera was fired but what would his record be with a healthy Cam Newton circa 2015?
 
Meh. Nevermind.

Let's just say I'm not optimistic and leave it at that.
 

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