Strength & Conditioning Central

Were you here when this thread was created and have context why it was very odd seeing it pop back up?

Or was that before you joined?

It was just a couple days after I joined, I remember the guy who was unironically laser-focused on absurd S&C theories lol, I assume that’s what led to the mod creation of this thread. Thought it would be a funny but appropriate bump
 
Oh how we laughed/rolled our eyes at the time, but have you ever noticed that there's a direct correlation between winning seasons with Quinn as HC and seasons in which that chap posted on this forum about strength and conditioning.

What happened this season without him?

Think about it, sheeple!!!!
 
It was just a couple days after I joined, I remember the guy who was unironically laser-focused on absurd S&C theories lol, I assume that’s what led to the mod creation of this thread. Thought it would be a funny but appropriate bump
Definitely an appropriate and humorous bump.

Yeah, my guy would bust up every thread with "Strength and Conditioning" so this thread was started to try and contain the "conversation" to one spot. Because it wasn't just an obsession, it was ... I dunno. Just really, really odd what he would come up with.

Anyway, I appreciate you bumping it and the thread can maybe have some "normal" discourse and information.
 
I just want to take this opportunity to point out that no one in the history of this franchise was as strong and well-conditioned as Taylor Heinicke was.
 
I just want to take this opportunity to point out that no one in the history of this franchise was as strong and well-conditioned as Taylor Heinicke was.
Except maybe Anthony mix.
 
I just want to take this opportunity to point out that no one in the history of this franchise was as strong and well-conditioned as Taylor Heinicke was.
Are you trolling me?

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I just want to take this opportunity to point out that no one in the history of this franchise was as strong and well-conditioned as Taylor Heinicke was.
Combing two problems into one.

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Does anyone know if they have found a replacement for Tim Mcgrath, their Director of Player Health and Performance (who decided to return home to his native Australia)? This is apparently an unexpected and impactful loss.
 
Does anyone know if they have found a replacement for Tim Mcgrath, their Director of Player Health and Performance (who decided to return home to his native Australia)? This is apparently an unexpected and impactful loss.
I know a guy who has all the answers. We should reach out to him about this job.
 
There’s a narrative that a soft training camp hurt us last season, in terms of injuries, and I get why. I do wonder if there’s actually a scientific basis for that belief, however. We have anecdotal evidence, here’s some more:

 
There’s a narrative that a soft training camp hurt us last season, in terms of injuries, and I get why. I do wonder if there’s actually a scientific basis for that belief, however. We have anecdotal evidence, here’s some more:


It's funny how "anecdotal evidence" can become "science" with a published study; I have seen some absurd studies where the conclusion is clearly stated, and you dive down and see the actual sample size was pretty small. <-- just an observation

Anyway, I think skinsinparadise mentioned that there were some studies that showed the link. It sounded more than anecdotal. I don't remember a specific cited source off the top of my head.
 

Matt LaFleur wants to play his starters because NFL history suggests it can help avoid injuries​

It's not just that the Packers got their asses kicked (Matt LaFleur's words) by the Saints and Vikings, the historical injury data suggests teams should play starters in the preseason.​


“We got our ass kicked.”

Clearly, Green Bay Packers head coach Matt LaFleur remembers how the 2021 and 2022 seasons started without preseason work for his team’s best players.

“It’s a different feel when you go out there, so I think it’s every opportunity to go out there, and just the process, I would say, of getting ready to go compete and play a collision sport; you gotta get your mind right.”

LaFleur points out their preseason schedule includes a night game, an early afternoon and late-afternoon game, allowing the players to prepare for a slew of regular-season schedules on game day. It doesn’t help the team during the regular season, though, if only the backups participate in the game-day simulation.

On Thursday, LaFleur confirmed that he expected some portion of the starters to play Saturday night at Lambeau Field, including quarterback Jordan Love. New York Jets head coach Aaron Glenn announced that his team would do the same, setting up at least some snaps of ones versus ones.

“You gotta feel where your team is,” LaFleur said Thursday of balancing injury risk.

“My experience, I would say that I think it’s good for all of our guys to kinda go knock the rust off a little bit, understanding there’s a little bit of a risk.”

That risk may be overstated. LaFleur told reporters that he was told that if players get a certain number of reps, their injury risk in the first month of the season is reduced by a quantifiable factor.

“According to my sources that -- there’s a lot of injury data that supports playing guys in the preseason in regards to reducing the injury risk early into the season,” LaFleur said, citing consultation with his sports performance staff and the NFL.

According to The Leap’s research, there have been multiple studies done that suggest the COVID-attenuated preseason in 2020 and 2021 significantly and materially increased regular-season injuries.

One study from the Orthopedic Journal of Sports Medicine found soft-tissue injury rates skyrocketed in the regular season after the COVID preseason. In the conclusion to that study, “Regular-Season Injury Rates in the National Football League After an Attenuated Preseason Due to COVID-19,” the authors point out that there were also increased injuries stemming from the 2011 lockout during CBA negotiations.

After the NFL lockout and found that there were 10 Achilles tendon tears within the first 12 days of training camp in 2011. Typically, it has been reported that between 4 and 10 Achilles tendon tears happen in the entire NFL season, with about 1 to 3 of those injuries occurring in the preseason.
Another study, this one published in Arthroscopy, Sports Medicine, and Rehabilitation (ASMAR), compared injury histories from 2016, 2018, and 2019 with the 2020 regular season, and the results were staggering. The COVID season saw 141 injuries in Week 1, 41 more than in the worst non-COVID seasons. Similar, though less stark, outcomes were found in Weeks 3 and 4.

 

Matt LaFleur wants to play his starters because NFL history suggests it can help avoid injuries​

It's not just that the Packers got their asses kicked (Matt LaFleur's words) by the Saints and Vikings, the historical injury data suggests teams should play starters in the preseason.​


“We got our ass kicked.”

Clearly, Green Bay Packers head coach Matt LaFleur remembers how the 2021 and 2022 seasons started without preseason work for his team’s best players.

“It’s a different feel when you go out there, so I think it’s every opportunity to go out there, and just the process, I would say, of getting ready to go compete and play a collision sport; you gotta get your mind right.”

LaFleur points out their preseason schedule includes a night game, an early afternoon and late-afternoon game, allowing the players to prepare for a slew of regular-season schedules on game day. It doesn’t help the team during the regular season, though, if only the backups participate in the game-day simulation.

On Thursday, LaFleur confirmed that he expected some portion of the starters to play Saturday night at Lambeau Field, including quarterback Jordan Love. New York Jets head coach Aaron Glenn announced that his team would do the same, setting up at least some snaps of ones versus ones.

“You gotta feel where your team is,” LaFleur said Thursday of balancing injury risk.

“My experience, I would say that I think it’s good for all of our guys to kinda go knock the rust off a little bit, understanding there’s a little bit of a risk.”

That risk may be overstated. LaFleur told reporters that he was told that if players get a certain number of reps, their injury risk in the first month of the season is reduced by a quantifiable factor.

“According to my sources that -- there’s a lot of injury data that supports playing guys in the preseason in regards to reducing the injury risk early into the season,” LaFleur said, citing consultation with his sports performance staff and the NFL.

According to The Leap’s research, there have been multiple studies done that suggest the COVID-attenuated preseason in 2020 and 2021 significantly and materially increased regular-season injuries.

One study from the Orthopedic Journal of Sports Medicine found soft-tissue injury rates skyrocketed in the regular season after the COVID preseason. In the conclusion to that study, “Regular-Season Injury Rates in the National Football League After an Attenuated Preseason Due to COVID-19,” the authors point out that there were also increased injuries stemming from the 2011 lockout during CBA negotiations.


Another study, this one published in Arthroscopy, Sports Medicine, and Rehabilitation (ASMAR), compared injury histories from 2016, 2018, and 2019 with the 2020 regular season, and the results were staggering. The COVID season saw 141 injuries in Week 1, 41 more than in the worst non-COVID seasons. Similar, though less stark, outcomes were found in Weeks 3 and 4.

That is such good info. Shows how in this instance but in a very important aspect, LaFleur was way more on top of his job and responsibilities than DQ. Arguably burned a season because of it.
 
Yup and hoping DQ takes last year as lesson learned and properly gets the starters involved a whole lot more and toughens stuff up.

The reporters should call him out quickly if he does begin weak like last year
 
That is such good info. Shows how in this instance but in a very important aspect, LaFleur was way more on top of his job and responsibilities than DQ. Arguably burned a season because of it.

Felt like camp was one long walk through to have the players rested for a playoff run.

I think what hurt was the first camp Quinn ran was light, too and obviously it work fine so it seemed like to doubled down and when to a bigger extreme of going light.
 

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