I was listening to Logan Paulsen on the Command Center podcast and his top 10 Edges.
He rated Arvell Reese as an Edge. At Ohio St he was an offball LB. If we run the Flores system I think he is the Andrew Van Ginkel player rather than the Greenard player. The Van Ginkel role is an offball LB who does play a lot on the line so its a bit of a hybrid between on and off ball linebacker, but its still more of an offball LB position than on on ball LB.
I didn't think they do a good job of talking about the 3 types of edges in the odd front system. The 4i DE who is a bit of a traditional 3-4 DE (think Kendrick Faulk), the Jonathan Greenard role (think David Bailey), and the Van Ginkel role which is more of an offball LB but a bit of a hybrid spot as that system has them on the line so much (think Reese). It felt like he was evaluating Reese for the Greenard rather than Van Ginkel role. At least that is the way I interpreted listening to it.
He likes Akeem Mesidor slightly more than I do. He had with his 2nd highest grade, though he ranked him 4th as a prospect cause while he technically he had a slightly higher grade on Logan's board than Bain and Faulk, the fact that he 3.5 years older than Bain and 4.5 years older than Faulk and the fact that the grades were all so close made him flip their rankings as prospects on his board. For Mesidor I am not sure how his games translate to the NFL. He wins on a lot of inside counters. And if you can threaten the corner and get the Tackle to overset like a Bailey can with his explosiveness I can see that translating to the NFL. But Mesidor is 270 pounds, I am not sure how threatened NFL tackles will feel to the corner. Mesidor is a great hand fighter and he'll still win on the inside counters sometimes, but its harder if the tackle has not overset. Likewise, Mesidor has okay power rush moves, but he is not great going through the chest. His most effective way to win according to the daftondraft guys who charted him is on the inside counters and again his hand fighting is fantastic, but if he cannot get NFL tackles to overset like he can to college tackles, it won't be quite as effective.
He loves Faulk. I am not sold on Faulk, but I think he is a decent 3-4 DE and we are moving to an odd front so the scheme fit seems good. In base Faulk would mainly be a run defender which is very good at and in passing downs he is probably more of an interior pass rushing in an odd front and I think can do that. I think Bain would probably play a similar role, but Bain feels more like a 4-3 DE. You are more setting the edge as a 4-3 run defender, a tackle and TE may double you, but you generally where the block is coming from. A 4i in an odd front has to deal with constant double teams, not knowing where the run block is coming from (it could be a down block from the tackle or a double from the tackle and guard, a standard block by the guard, they could try to trap you on a trap or wham block--you just have to better block recongition as you face like twice as many types of blocks and you just face way more double teams and generally defend with slightly worse leverage--Bain is a good run defender, but don't know if he does well in like a 4i). Bain would probably be a really good as an inteior rush though in pass situations from an odd front. But I see the scheme fit for Faulk, rather than Bain.
I like Bain a lot, but I think the scheme change makes his fit less clear. To me as a run defender I am not sure how he fares an odd front playing a 4i. I think he would be a devastating interior pass rusher in an odd front cause inside his short arms matter less. I am still intrigued by him though.
In odd front Bailey is outside LB and I think his pass rush will be fantastic.
Jason, Logan's producer for that podcast had Gabe Jacas as a top 10 and Logan's comment surprised me a lot. The draftondraft guys talked about him and they talked with him at the senior bowl. He said he lost about 12 pounds for the senior bowl to get from his seaosn playing weight of 277 to about 265. The daftondraft guys said they thought his get off looked a looked spruced up at the senior bowl. He'll probably always be a power first guy according to the daftondraft guys but they thought he showed a few new things at the senior bowl. By contrast Logan said he didn't see the juice as a pass rusher, which means he really wouldn't see the pass rushing juice at 277 pounds. So I thought that was interesting as I kind of liked Jacas