The 2026 Free Agency Thread

Speaking of which. Sheehan on his show, I was listening started by saying they will spend, and implied he heard it from the team. lol, this topic seemed to hit a nerve I gather with the FO.


This makes me really happy. We'll see, but I don't think we bring in a totally different system defensively and not go spend. I am almost certain we bring in Lloyd or Walker at LB, if they're available. I feel like Bailey or Downs will be our top options in the draft. I think this removes us from the Bain discussion too.
 
I don’t think Harrison Smith is a possibility. He either stays with the Vikings or retires. He is Mr Viking

I think Luvu is a fantastic fit in a blitz heavy scheme. If they want another guy who is run D 1st/blitzer, could just bring back Bobby.

A defense like this could really use Swiss army knives at safety who can do a bit of everything to confuse defenses and protect the inferior corners we have.

The more I think about it, they need to pay Kam and bring him back. He played some free safety in LA and did well in that role too. His teammate Lake who is a similar player signed a 3/42 extension. I’d give Kam anywhere between 3/45 to 3/51.

They then need to somehow find a good post safety and then another versatile safety (or let Harris and Martin compete for that role).

Reading a bit about Flores and that scheme, Smith was really central to presnap and postsnap adjustments, makes me wonder if Caleb Downs is more on their radar now. Downs isn't just a great college safety but from what I read was a QB on the field.
 
This makes me really happy. We'll see, but I don't think we bring in a totally different system defensively and not go spend. I am almost certain we bring in Lloyd or Walker at LB, if they're available. I feel like Bailey or Downs will be our top options in the draft. I think this removes us from the Bain discussion too.

I am not a big Bain guy relatively speaking, but don't hate him either, why do you think this removes Bain?
 
I am not a big Bain guy relatively speaking, but don't hate him either, why do you think this removes Bain?
One of the requirements, so to speak, for The Flores, and by default Jones, defenses require quick twitch and length from defensive ends, from what I read. Bain may have the twitch but certainly not the length. I hope it doesn't put us in the Faulk discussion--reminds me of the Bengals mistake with Shemar Stewart.
 
One of the requirements, so to speak, for The Flores, and by default Jones, defenses require quick twitch and length from defensive ends, from what I read. Bain may have the twitch but certainly not the length. I hope it doesn't put us in the Faulk discussion--reminds me of the Bengals mistake with Shemar Stewart.

Ok interesting. I was readiing early today about coverages but now I am diving into D line.


It's fair to ask wonder whether Flores molded his approach at least in part to cover for personnel shortcomings. But in an interview during the season, he made clear that he does not feel beholden to tradition when it comes to player deployment.

"I see spots on the field," Flores said. "I don't necessarily see, 'That's got to be a D-lineman or that's got to be a linebacker.'"

Even before installing the specifics of the scheme last spring, in fact, the Vikings taught multi-positional techniques to every defensive player.

"Everyone is just an 'X' on the field," defensive backs coach/pass game coordinator Daronte Jones said. "Everyone has to learn the same techniques. Everyone has to learn how to be a flat dropper, how to be a curl-flat dropper, how to be a hook dropper. Everyone. You never know if a defensive lineman is going to be in that position, or a linebacker, or a safety or a corner for that matter. So we taught techniques, and when you teach techniques, guys aren't necessarily interchangeable, but it makes it a little less thought-provoking for them to do those things."

The Vikings' personnel decisions last season supported the idea they would deemphasize the defensive line, at least for 2023. They did not re-sign defensive tackle Dalvin Tomlinson, who received a four-year deal worth $57 million from the Cleveland Browns, and replaced him with veteran free agent Dean Lowry at a much lower cost ($8.5 million over two years). They drafted one defensive tackle, LSU's Jaquelin Roy in the fifth round, but brought him along slowly.

When the regular season arrived, their plan was to use Lowry, Phillips and Bullard as their top linemen. Lowry suffered a season-ending pectoral injury in Week 9, leading them to shrink their rotation further. Phillips finished the season with 855 snaps, by far his career high, while Bullard played 655, besting his previous career high by more than 200 snaps.

During an in-season interview, Phillips said it had been apparent from the start of the defense's installation that linemen weren't likely to be the playmakers of Flores' scheme.

"My initial thoughts selfishly were not super high about this," Phillips said. "It was like, 'Dang, the way it's being described is you're an edge setter, you're a cutback player. It seemed like there was not going to be a lot of production through the system.'"

Phillips termed the scheme a "very unselfish defense" for linemen. There would be times, he said, "where I know the ball carrier is coming this way and maybe I can make it [there to tackle him], but I've just got to stay front side and trust somebody else is going to make it backside."


...The Vikings also had the second-most snaps this season with six defensive backs on the field, and of their top 11 defensive snap counts for the season, five were defensive backs and four were linebackers.

Flores' creativity serves as a foundation for future projections -- and a signal to be cautious. It probably wouldn't make sense for the Vikings to use their top draft choice on a position that is asked to funnel the playmaking to others -- if it's on the field at all. But if Flores could dispatch with convention so thoroughly in 2023, we shouldn't make any assumptions about 2024. Stay tuned.
 
RFAs almost never hit the market. But the more I digest Pace just now maybe they let him hit it because of his struggles in coverage and missing tackles, looks like he got benched last season.

Be interesting to switch a dude who is still probably one of the best run defenders in the box LBs who struggles in coverage with a younger version who struggles much more in coverage at least judging by their PFF grades and some stuff I read this morning.



While almost every defense would like a linebacker to play with aggression, Pace has been uncontrolled. This season, Pace has a missed-tackle percentage of 23.8%, according to PFF... And his game hasn’t been plagued by missed tackles alone. His gap integrity in the run game has also been a concern.

That was especially evident against the Atlanta Falcons. Pace repeatedly shot the wrong gap and tried to make a big play. His gamble often wouldn’t pay off, resulting in the big runs from Bijan Robinson that allowed the Falcons to salt the game away.

...Pace has also struggled in pass coverage this season. While it has never been a strength of his, his struggles are much more pronounced this year. He’s allowing a passer rating of 136.7 when targeted. It’s a clear spot where Wilson has the leg up on Pace. Throughout his career, Wilson has made a name for himself as one of the better linebackers in coverage.
struggles with coverage, tackles, and gap discipline? sounds like he was born to be a commander.
 
I don’t think Harrison Smith is a possibility. He either stays with the Vikings or retires. He is Mr Viking

I think Luvu is a fantastic fit in a blitz heavy scheme. If they want another guy who is run D 1st/blitzer, could just bring back Bobby.

A defense like this could really use Swiss army knives at safety who can do a bit of everything to confuse defenses and protect the inferior corners we have.

The more I think about it, they need to pay Kam and bring him back. He played some free safety in LA and did well in that role too. His teammate Lake who is a similar player signed a 3/42 extension. I’d give Kam anywhere between 3/45 to 3/51.

They then need to somehow find a good post safety and then another versatile safety (or let Harris and Martin compete for that role).
I thought Luvu would be great in a blitz heavy scheme as well, he just looked so explosive his first year here. But every time I saw him blitz he just tried to bully by the OL and was stopped cold. They seemed to send him a lot when they did blitz but he only recorded 3 sacks in 18 games.
 
So now that we know our DC and OC, who do all of your big X and O guys think our biggest targets should be. Again just top targets not so much who all we can get.
 
This is how a player like Metellus, a sixth-round pick who barely played defensive snaps before 2023, can progress into a player who can align at strong safety, free safety, left cornerback, right cornerback, slot cornerback, left inside linebacker, right inside linebacker, middle linebacker, left outside linebacker, right outside linebacker, right defensive end and left defensive tackle in one season.

This is how Van Ginkel, a fifth-rounder who began his college career at South Dakota and Iowa Western Community College, can ascend to being named a second-team All-Pro.

“It’s, like, ‘You think it’s possible for us to play quarters but run a smack blitz off that?'” Flores said. “Sometimes, the players think, ‘Is this guy nuts?'”

Even in those instances, though, the players now understand they’re likely onto something.

“Flo talks about that all the time: We have built a unique relationship where we can just talk freely,” Metellus said. “I don’t have to watch my words when I speak to the coaches. I can speak truly about what I feel if I think something doesn’t make sense. It’s, like, ‘Hell, no, I don’t want to do that.’ Then he’ll be, like, ‘Why don’t we do that this way?’ It’s constant, never-ending chatter.”

None of these potentials would even exist if Flores viewed defense traditionally. He sees 11 spots on the field, rather than pigeon-holing players based on a position tag used on them throughout their entire careers.

The cherry on top is the fearlessness. The defensive coordinator, Smith noted, shoulders the accountability on gamedays. You can want to be creative. You can structure team meetings so the players feel comfortable enough to push back. But if you are not willing to face the consequences on Sundays, none of it matters. The magic can be conjured if the man in charge is unafraid to look foolish.

 
So now that we know our DC and OC, who do all of your big X and O guys think our biggest targets should be. Again just top targets not so much who all we can get.
I don't know shit about shit...but I want Alec Pierce. ain't gonna happen though.
 
I thought Luvu would be great in a blitz heavy scheme as well, he just looked so explosive his first year here. But every time I saw him blitz he just tried to bully by the OL and was stopped cold. They seemed to send him a lot when they did blitz but he only recorded 3 sacks in 18 games.
I might be wrong but didn’t he rush more from the DE position this year versus a LB position last year?
 
Reading which I just did about Flores scheme, feels like versatility is the key. And makes sense you want D lineman who can drop into coverage because if they were bad at it, be tough to orchestrate the unpredictability-chaos that their defense brings.

Dudes that don't have to be masters at any one thing, but can do a little of everything

lol, am guessing Bobby Wagner doesn't survive this.
 
yea from everything I am seeing you all post it sounds like we should expect a fast aggressive defense which will be a nice turn of events. I just hope we can get a majority of our needs through FA
 
Another who seems to fit. Looking for playmakers who can do it all, picks, stop the run, coverage, Hawkins seems like a posterchild for this




for edge, does it all including a 70 plus coverage score

 
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I think all of us could see the writing on the wall. Wagner was asked to do too much that he could no longer do. I guess the kindness in it was that it allowed him to get to 2,000 tackles, but I think he got the record to the detriment to the team. He really needed to be used on running downs or maybe as a blitzer. Putting him in space backfired so often. Wagner knew what to do and where to be, but if he couldn't perfectly anticipate the play and the throw his presence was almost always a win for the opposition.
 
I might be wrong but didn’t he rush more from the DE position this year versus a LB position last year?
Yeah you could be right on a lot of those plays, good call. Hopefully it's scheme because so far I've seen nothing to make me believe Luvu is an effective blitzer.

Does anyone expect Bobby Wagner to return? God I hope not.
 
That was my first thought when I saw they hired Jones. Add in what Peters said about getting younger, faster, and more athletic, and Wagner is moving on.

I am just digesting the scheme now. But on first readings

A safety who can do it all, and a LB who can do it all is central to this. And they have to be smart.

Pass rushers with 3-4 type skills who can drop into coverage.

Corners who can play man with good ball skills.

From the draft stand point early on it makes me think of Downs, Styles, Bailey, Reese
 
Yeah you could be right on a lot of those plays, good call. Hopefully it's scheme because so far I've seen nothing to make me believe Luvu is an effective blitzer.

Does anyone expect Bobby Wagner to return? God I hope not.

Wagner played really well down the stretch. But he's not a coverage LB and so if they value that he's likely gone. Luvu isn't much of a coverage LB either.
 

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