David Blough and the Offensive Staffing Thread

How do you feel about the Blough hire?

  • Excited we are going with a young future star

    Votes: 30 26.5%
  • Disappointed we did not find a proven experienced OC

    Votes: 14 12.4%
  • I'm in full 'wait and see' mode. No idea if this is a good hire.

    Votes: 69 61.1%

  • Total voters
    113
I’m going to choose to believe Blough is THE next great coach. His plays are going to attack defenses in ways we have never seen and shred them. He will find a way to maximize JD’s skillset while at the same time keeping him out of harms way. In 2 years after a SB win Quinn will step down and turn the team over to the wunderkind. Kdawg will be ecstatic dispite his initial trepidation.
 
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Are they firing Anthony Lynn (and Brian Johnson) then? Because they already have that in-house
They do but I think that the QB coach is the new hot position, so much so that it was added to the Rooney rule. We all know the QB position is by far the most important on the team so the person who is working with him 24/7 is starting to be the most influential offensive coach after the OC.

Most owners and GMs will also take a QBs opinion in high regard when it comes to shaking up things so if he likes the QB coach then that is a big deal. BTW, I like Lynn and if you asked me a year ago who will be our next OC after Kliff, I would have assumed that it was Lynn so I hope he does stick around and help advise but imo Lynn and Johnson are zero threats to Blough or they would've picked them in the first place.
 
I’m going to chose to believe Blough is THE next great coach. His plays are going to attack defenses in ways we have never seen and shred them. He will find a way to maximize JD’s skillset while at the same time keeping him out of harms way. In 2 years after a SB win Quinn will step down and turn the team over to the wunderkind. Kdawg will be ecstatic dispite his initial trepidation.
I’m not against Blough. I want to reiterate that. I’m against the way Quinn and/or Peters have managed this staff from the outset.

It’s early still. Things need to play out. But I am low on our start to the offseason while open minded about potential positive trajectory changes.
 
Well, I agree that the coaches hired so far have upside but are not proven. At the same time, how do you know if you have a Shanahan or McVay on the staff unless once you see the study habits, natural instincts and intelligence in the candidate you actually give them a chance?

What we have done in DC for years is go after retread candidates and older coaches who are set in their ways and are going to run the systems they are comfortable with even if the talent on the roster and those players we are drafting are not direct fits.

It seems as if the 'perfect' solution at these coordinator positions is to go get a Belichick or Shanahan level coordinator and bring him here to buckle up this organization and push us forward.

The problem with that is the market for proven coordinators that are still in their primes is extremely competitive.

These candidates want to come to a spot where they see talent on hand that perhaps hasn't been used properly but appears to have the potential to make a one year turnaround so that they then can be candidates for a HC spot.

Washington has a franchise quarterback, but we have the 29th ranked defense and our most talented players on offense are 30 or over.

We also don't have a bevy of draft picks unless Peters is able to work some magic come April.

So, the Commanders IMO are not a team that a McDaniel or Flores is going to land on unless we pull a Snyder and offer them DOUBLE or TRIPLE what anyone else is offering them.

And because of that type of deal you are basically giving them independence from the head coach to ply their trade here and then we reprise what happened with Kingsbury the past year or two where he basically ignored any feedback from the team.
 
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Fair enough, I might’ve mis-categorized some of your arguments, apologies. I still maintain that the idea that people here would glamorize anything the Giants do is incorrect and vastly overstated.

On the Williams QB coach point though, I will not budge. He may be a good QB coach. By definition he did not earn anything on his own merits, he never would’ve gotten his NFL coaching opportunities to begin with, without his father. If he turns out to be great and eventually becomes a good OC, then he can point to the part of his resume that he started to earn. I don’t like those guys until they prove they’re studs and I have to, and even then there’s some resentment over the way they got their opportunities. I felt the same way about Kyle Shanahan. He proved to be a stud, he still had a massive leg up and initially benefited from nepotism. Most of these guys are not Kyle Shanahan, they usually are mediocre at best and hang around the league for a long time, taking away opportunities over and over again from actual deserving candidates who worked their asses off for every scrap of experience on their resume. Shit is infuriating.

I hate Caleb but I have some admiration for how Ben Johnson’s mission seems to be cutting down the Shanahan tree, which is the most nepotistic coaching network in the NFL.

Heck, even Mike McDaniel was a Broncos’ employee’s stepson. I think LaFleur and Coen are the two guys who became HCs from that tree without family ties (Matt’s younger brother Mike has his big brother to thank for his opps though. He already bombed as big bro’s best friend’s OC for the Jets and now gets to be a non playcalling OC for his big bro’s close friend with the Rams)
 
Well, I agree that the coaches hired so far have upside but are not proven. At the same time, how do you know if you have a Shanahan or McVay on the staff unless once you see the study habits, natural instincts and intelligence in the candidate you actually give them a chance?

What we have done in DC for years is go after retread candidates and older coaches who are set in their ways and are going to run the systems they are comfortable with even if the talent on the roster and those players we are drafting are not direct fits.

It seems as if the 'perfect' solution at these coordinator positions is to go get a Belichick or Shanahan level coordinator and bring him here to buckle up this organization and push us forward.

The problem with that is the market for proven coordinators that are still in their primes is extremely competitive.

These candidates want to come to a spot where they see talent on hand that perhaps hasn't been used properly but appears to have the potential to make a one year turnaround so that they then can be candidates for a HC spot.

Washington has a franchise quarterback, but we have the 29th ranked defense and our most talented players on offense are 30 are over.

We also don't have a bevy of draft picks unless Peters is able to work some magic come April.

So, the Commanders IMO are not a team that a McDaniel or Flores is going to land on unless we pull a Snyder and offer them DOUBLE or TRIPLE what anyone else is offering them.

And because of that type of deal you are basically giving them independence from the head coach to ply their trade here and then we reprise what happened with Kingsbury the past year or two.

Shanahan had 2 years as a lead position coach and McVay had 3 before they got the nods as OCs. Blough had like 6 games as one
 
But Shanahan got his shots from his father, so we have to acknowledge that there was some 'faith' in there in at least one of those decisions.

Again, we could go out and hire a guy who has been in the NFL for 10 years and still end up with an offense that struggles if the necessary personnel moves are not made.

One thing I can't stand is mediocrity. And what I see in some of these coaches is the welfare state that the NFL is for failed coaches.

We still see guys like Chip Kelly that are able to feed at the trough in the league.

If I am a good GM and have a coach with a rational approach I would think we can find a younger coach with talent to scheme around players he has had intimate knowledge of seeing in practice, training camp, OTAs, etc.

I think coaches like Harbaugh are going to attract higher profile assistants to join him in a place in NY where he is going to get a 5 year contract and those coaches are going to have good longevity.

Quinn is on a much shorter leash and this job is most likely not that attractive to those coaches.

The type of veteran coach we would get is just what I am talking about - a guy that has been in 3 or 4 organizations as a coordinator or head coach and who is probably 50 plus years old and just wants to continue to work in the league and pay his bills.

Is that guy going to work 65-70 hours a week here? Probably not.

Jack Del Rio comes to mind.
 
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Guys - a member of the Ownership group has asked several times for you to stop hijacking this thread to talk about totally unrelated things.

Threads are not chatrooms. Start a damned thread if it’s a separate topic.
 
Really? People are heaping praise on their roster, despite the fact they've won 7 games the last two years. 7. Two more than we won in this godawful season.

They have accumulated some talented players on their roster, and coached them poorly and performed poorly. That’s not exactly rare. Maybe it’s overstated, but that doesn’t mean it’s some blind pro-Giants bias

So you're biased.

People who got their opportunities through nepotism and have yet to prove anything performance-wise are one of the most important groups to be skeptical of. If you think that’s a bias, then I guess so. Until there is evidence that someone is good at their job, everyone should be skeptical of anyone who was hired on the basis of their name and connections. Because they are part of a group that didn’t need to prove they were good at anything to get their initial opportunity, at least in comparison to their nobody peers.

Edit: derail admonishment noted, will get back to the topic at hand 🫡
 
Interesting input from Bullock.



Bercovici got the PGC gig in Carolina so a better role there than what he would have gotten here. I wonder if he was the real first choice given his existing relationship with Blough and JD and he shopped our interest to get that role
 
Video to see how it was asked and response:


Follow up:


Penix was asked Friday to clarify what he meant during the news conference, but he declined, saying everyone in the Falcons facility knows the truth.

Could be it was all taken out of context and he was thinking of outside help not inside or he really felt like he hadn’t received any help. Either way, I’m not thrilled with this hire, but I don’t know shit.


A very flaccid response by Penix
 
Interesting input from Bullock.


I’d be interested in hearing why he feels that pistol helps transition from Gun to Under. I think there may be some places where it could… but for the most part pistol is a yard closer shotgun with a back stacked to help hide the run game… nit necessarily a transition point from gun
 
Entirely possible.
I’d be interested in hearing why he feels that pistol helps transition from Gun to Under. I think there may be some places where it could… but for the most part pistol is a yard closer shotgun with a back stacked to help hide the run game… nit necessarily a transition point from gun
Ive read it's a compromise, since Daniels has little experience under center
 
Entirely possible.

Ive read it's a compromise, since Daniels has little experience under center
It’s not, really. The only thing it can really help with is potentially turning to hand off… but that’s not even required necessarily.
 
The Pistol has been my favorite offense ever since RG3 fr. It's dynamite if perfected
 
Currently, Ravens, Falcons, Dolphins and Rams use the Pistol. It is a formation used within the O you run. Used for mobile QBs.
 
Currently, Ravens, Falcons, Dolphins and Rams use the Pistol. It is a formation used within the O you run. Used for mobile QBs.

Not necessarily just for mobile QB’s, although it does give better sight lines for scrambling and can be conducive to lots of PA looks. 3/4 teams you named don’t have mobile QB’s, I’m not sure if that list came from one of the analytics services that tracks formation usage though or if it’s just based on your observation
 
Not necessarily just for mobile QB’s, although it does give better sight lines for scrambling and can be conducive to lots of PA looks. 3/4 teams you named don’t have mobile QB’s, I’m not sure if that list came from one of the analytics services that tracks formation usage though or if it’s just based on your observation
I'm not that smart, Conn. LOL I Googled it. :)
 
Also, with Bullock's observation concerning the Pistol, I wonder if one of the 3 teams OL coaches that fired their HC that use it may be our next OL coach. Just a thought.
 

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