The first Jayden Daniels Super Bowl window has shut. Hard.

[skinsinparadise]

The presser on Monday with Quinn and Peters should be fascinating. I am not expecting a big reveal or lol some kind of apology. But I am interested in the tone coming out of Peters. I've seen enough from Quinn that its cleared he's humbled and not defiant and I like that.

 

[Riggo44]

This is why anyone calling him Rivera 2.0 is as dumb, if not dumber, than the idiots calling Daniels RG4. Rivera was defiantly arrogant, despite never having a winning season here. I expect significant changes this offseason: coaching staff and roster wise.

 

[SkinsLife]

Kingsbury's head coaching candidacy is interesting despite Washington's struggles. The Commanders rank 21st in total offense -- ahead of Tampa Bay, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh -- despite a poor supporting cast ravaged by injury. He's a potential fit in Tennessee, with a young quarterback in Cam Ward who fits his style of offense. Las Vegas, should that job open as many around the league expect, will take a hard look at improving its offense. Kingsbury has been selective but is also open to becoming a head coach again. So while he's not the shiniest name because of Washington's record, I could see him being in the mix again.

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I beleive he will absolutely be a HC candidate and will most likely leave next year for another team. While i dont like some if his game calls... i am scared to death that we dont have anyone competent to replace him with and might look like 25 Det after loosing Ben Jonson.

 

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

To be faithful is to remain loyal, it has nothing to do with being positive. If I weren’t faithful then I would have given up on this hopeless team a long time ago.

You say things aren’t like they used to be, but this 4-12 seasons feels all too familiar. Our only Pro Bowl player is a punter. Our attendance is in the bottom third of the league, and almost half of that is opposing fans. Our one good season in a decade is followed by a spectacular collapse. We are finished playing meaningful football before Thanksgiving and fans are actively rooting to lose for draft position. How often in the past 35 years have we been in this position?

I understand we have a new owner, GM, and QB, and I know many have found hope in that. I did too after last year, but this year has brought me back to the reality that we are still one of the worst teams in football.

I will be here for what will probably be more misery next year, the same as I have been every year of my life. I have lost hope, but I have not lost faith.

There’s a difference between being the worst team in football, and the worst organization in football. We used to be among the worst organizations in football, if not the worst when you add in all the factors.

We aren’t that anymore by a long shot. I think you know how much that matters, even through all the hemming and hawing,

 

[SkinsLife]

And I also think we as a fan base need to stop treating every single unsuccessful decision or event like it requires change. Not every play call that doesn’t work warrants scrapping it from the playbook… and that thought process goes all the way up to wanting large scale changes based on 1 or 2 ‘missed’ draft picks.

Not any GM / HC / Coordinator / whatever makes ‘all’ the right calls… 2026 is important to rebound, I’ll agree with that mentality, but all 17 teams we play next year are trying to win too. Perfection is an unfair expectation

I dont think anyone is complaining about a single bad decisions.... even a few. What we see here is a combination of a lot of bad decisions on multiple sides of the ball that result in going from 12 to 4 wins. Thats a fundamental problem with how the team is build and how these decisions are being made.

 

[Primus Porcus]

I dont think anyone is complaining about a single bad decisions.... even a few. What we see here is a combination of a lot of bad decisions on multiple sides of the ball that result in going from 12 to 4 wins. Thats a fundamental problem with how the team is build and how these decisions are being made.

My only question is that if decision ‘x’ was a problem… what was the alternative decision that would’ve been ‘better’? Even if we’re weighing a 2 year analysis here, last year we over achieved beyond any realistic expectation, so why is it not weighed with a lot of decisions that went from the 2’nd pick in the draft to an NFC Championship game? Then we talk about shift in schedule strength, injuries, identifiable issues on defense that have clearly been looked at by coaching staff, and sheer volatility of the NFL, where you can’t assume that the right player will be available at the right price AND they will WANT to sign here… I don’t see why it’s also some unbelievable comment that there weren’t that many ‘bad decisions’. You can’t say bad decisions were the issue but all those other factors didn’t have an effect

 

[Faithful Fan]

I’ve never seen the movie, but my understanding is that this guy is miserable while everyone around him is celebrating a playoff run. The scene wouldn’t really make much sense if the Indians were sitting at .333, the stands were half empty, and most of the people around him were rooting for the visiting team, would it?

I think my negativity is an appropriate reaction to a 4-win season (our second in three years), but evidently I’m in the minority on that. I really don’t understand how y’all are enjoying this season, and I’m sorry if I’ve spoiled your fun, but I promise you won’t have to carry me out of the stadium to stop my complaining when and if we are actually good again.

 

[Primus Porcus]

Nobody is celebrating the season, we’re just formulating our opinions with more data points than the record. If we were entering this season with the roster that will be playing on Sunday, I think it’s fair to be down and out, the simple fact that our roster was not constructed for this to be the team on the field changes the dynamic a bit. Add to that a lot of other aspects of simply being an NFL team and I think it mitigates some idea that we need sweeping changes and wholesale criticism

 

[Faithful Fan]

There’s a difference between being the worst team in football, and the worst organization in football. We used to be among the worst organizations in football, if not the worst when you add in all the factors.

We aren’t that anymore by a long shot. I think you know how much that matters, even through all the hemming and hawing,

I’m glad to be rid of Dan Snyder, yes, I’m just not happy about being 4-12. Frankly I’m surprised this is such an unpopular semtiment.

Anyway, sorry for the derail, I really just meant to discuss how unfortunate it is that the guy we could have had is going to win the MVP while the guy we got can’t even stay on the field. The Jayden Daniels Super Bowl window is shut, but the Drake Maye Super Bowl window is wide open. I hate it, but this is the reality of the 2025 season.

 

[Conn]

I’m glad to be rid of Dan Snyder, yes, I’m just not happy about being 4-12. Frankly I’m surprised this is such an unpopular semtiment.

Anyway, sorry for the derail, I really just meant to discuss how unfortunate it is that the guy we could have had is going to win the MVP while the guy we got can’t even stay on the field. The Jayden Daniels Super Bowl window is shut, but the Drake Maye Super Bowl window is wide open. I hate it, but this is the reality of the 2025 season.

You’re getting pushback not because you’re unhappy about 4-12 (you know that, no one is happy with it) but because you’re falling into that classic bias where you allow yourself nuanced and rational reasons for your opinion, but simplify others’ takes every time you reply. You basically receive paragraphs of equally nuanced thoughts, then in your response reframe their argument (or state your take on the group that is equally simplified or misrepresented) and shuck it to the side while restating your own, now-inherently-more-reasonable-in-comparison, view. I don’t even know if it’s on purpose or if you’re unaware you’re doing it, but that’s why you’re getting so much pushback.

A great example is in this post I quoted, instead of directly addressing anything anyone actually said, you re-summarized the entire conversation as “I’m just not happy about being 4-12. Frankly I’m surprised this is such an unpopular sentiment” which…is just made up. It’s not an accurate description of the conversation at hand. And it is something that can only come from seeing your own viewpoint as inherently rational and well-reasoned (a natural human instinct) while the opposing arguments must be illogical and unworthy of being engaging with on their merits. It makes actual exchange of ideas very difficult, and I’ve noticed it before. It’s a kind of slick debate tactic if people don’t notice—restating your opponents’ thoughts in an uncharitable and simplified way that’s much easier to knockdown or scoff at, and then letting the response fly, centering your own viewpoint as obviously more rational in comparison. That’s why I’m not sure if you’re doing it on purpose or if you actually aren’t getting what people are saying.

Anyways, I’ve gone back and forth with you on the whole “same ol’ Redskins” mindset enough this season (and thoroughly stated my views on why nothing before two years ago matters) so I’m not interested in jumping back into the conversation about whether your doom & gloom mindset is correct or not. I just thought I’d jump in and explain to you why people keep arguing with you, because from the outside it’s like watching two people argue about two entirely different things, and the cause seems obvious to me, and it keeps happening.

 

[skinsinparadise]

I’m glad to be rid of Dan Snyder, yes, I’m just not happy about being 4-12. Frankly I’m surprised this is such an unpopular semtiment.

Anyway, sorry for the derail, I really just meant to discuss how unfortunate it is that the guy we could have had is going to win the MVP while the guy we got can’t even stay on the field. The Jayden Daniels Super Bowl window is shut, but the Drake Maye Super Bowl window is wide open. I hate it, but this is the reality of the 2025 season.

Drake Maye was so so at best last year. Jayden was amazing. Did you say after last season I wish we had Drake Maye?

Why is the SB window shut? One strike and you are out? If so why wasn't the Pats window shut after last season?

The best analogy that hits me is you got someone who buys a crap restaurant and turns it into a Michelin restaurant overnight and is the toast of the town. That same restaurant a year later has a massive flood, gets hit by a Covid year -- and some are expecting it not to go south but more on point not willing to give them any leeway to bounce back after showing they can kill it. And are pissed off that its not the same. It's the NFL, it goes up, it goes down.

Going to my corny James Bond analogy. We finally got a James Bond, everyone says its the main plot line for the team's resurgence. Then the next year James Bond has a cameo role, the movie is mostly about Q and the movie sucks.

lol, we get the James Bond will return at the end of the movie and some think so what, who cares. We'd rather have Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible anyway.

I am not saying fans shouldn't get upset and feel doom and gloom. To each their own on that. But yeah I don't think your feelings are that uncommon. When SF's season went to hell last year thanks to injuries, some fans I noticed were calling for Kyle's job. People feel hurt and want heads to roll and feel when you are down you aren't getting back up. All the teams in the playoffs now will be exactly the same next year. All the bad teams this year, will stay bad. Everything is static in the NFL. Now, clearly its not the case. But in the throes of the emotion of a down year, its not unusual for some fans to feel their is no light at the end of the tunnel. But conversely, there are plenty of fans who don't see it that way.

 

[Faithful Fan]

Drake Maye was so so at best last year. Jayden was amazing. Did you say after last season I wish we had Drake Maye?

Why is the SB window shut? One strike and you are out? If so why wasn't the Pats window shut after last season?

The best analogy that hits me is you got someone who buys a crap restaurant and turns it into a Michelin restaurant overnight and is the toast of the town. That same restaurant a year later has a massive flood, gets hit by a Covid year -- and some are expecting it not to go south but more on point not willing to give them any leeway to bounce back after showing they can kill it. And are pissed off that its not the same. It's the NFL, it goes up, it goes down.

Going to my corny James Bond analogy. We finally got a James Bond, everyone says its the main plot line for the team's resurgence. Then the next year James Bond has a cameo role, the movie is mostly about Q and the movie sucks.

lol, we get the James Bond will return at the end of the movie and some think so what, who cares. We'd rather have Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible anyway.

I am not saying fans shouldn't get upset and feel doom and gloom. To each their own on that. But yeah I don't think your feelings are that uncommon. When SF's season went to hell last year thanks to injuries, some fans I noticed were calling for Kyle's job. People feel hurt and want heads to roll and feel when you are down you aren't getting back up. All the teams in the playoffs now will be exactly the same next year. All the bad teams this year, will stay bad. Everything is static in the NFL. Now, clearly its not the case. But in the throes of the emotion of a down year, its not unusual for some fans to feel their is no light at the end of the tunnel. But conversely, there are plenty of fans who don't see it that way.

I am as unhappy about this season as anybody, but I also enjoyed last season as much as anybody. I tend to have overly strong feelings about the team.

I completely agree we should give AP, DQ, and JD a chance to recapture the magic of 2024. They led the team to its best season in decades, and they earned the chance to turn things around. Don’t mistake my disappointment for the belief that we need wholesale changes.

I also agree that it is too soon to judge whether or not picking Jayden over Maye was the right pick, only time will tell about that. The trend is not good though, and it’s going exactly how many predicted before the draft, but here’s hoping things look different next year.

 

[skinsinparadise]

I am as unhappy about this season as anybody, but I also enjoyed last season as much as anybody. I tend to have overly strong feelings about the team.

I completely agree we should give AP, DQ, and JD a chance to recapture the magic of 2024. They led the team to its best season in decades, and they earned the chance to turn things around. Don’t mistake my disappointment for the belief that we need wholesale changes.

I also agree that it is too soon to judge whether or not picking Jayden over Maye was the right pick, only time will tell about that. The trend is not good though, and it’s going exactly how many predicted before the draft, but here’s hoping things look different next year.

On the draft thread, I listed just now why I am feeling good about next season and is there any upside that can come off this bad year?

Obviously, I don't know for sure. Will see. But I feel good about 2026. I am a bit of a competitve person in my own life and you get the best out of me after a period where things go haywire. I can relate to that feeling. I think most of us do.

Coming from the same dude who kept using Rocky 3 references heading into the season, even before it went off the rails, it felt to me that Mr. T was going to knock Rocky on his ass. On that same token, I am putting my money on Rocky on the rematch.

I was going back and forth with Star Wars references with Voice_of_Reason months back. Felt like we were in a typical triology. The 2nd movie is typically the dark one. But its part of what makes the third one feel so triumphant.

As much as I enjoyed 2024, I think at times in retrospect I took it for granted -- it was like a buffett where it was too much great food thrown at you in one sitting and it was tough to enjoy it all in one sitting. lol, I won't do that again. If we bounce back, and I think we will I'll savor it more.

 

[Faithful Fan]

Conn

Thank you for the replies. I notice you keep telling me about cognitive biases and logical fallacies, so I thought I would share that I do have some expertise in that area. One that’s interesting is the bias blind spot, where we notice bias in others but not ourselves. As you said, it’s human nature, and we’re all guilty of it.

 

[Solitary Man]

Conn

Thank you for the replies. I notice you keep telling me about cognitive biases and logical fallacies, so I thought I would share that I do have some expertise in that area. One that’s interesting is the bias blind spot, where we notice bias in others but not ourselves. As you said, it’s human nature, and we’re all guilty of it.

Oh that blind spot is a real doozy. Gets em every time. Throw in a little confirmation bias music and you have a 10 car wreck. I usually don’t rubberneck to stick around to see the damages as someone else is often stuck cleaning up the mess.

 

[Conn]

Conn

Thank you for the replies. I notice you keep telling me about cognitive biases and logical fallacies, so I thought I would share that I do have some expertise in that area. One that’s interesting is the bias blind spot, where we notice bias in others but not ourselves. As you said, it’s human nature, and we’re all guilty of it.

Indeed. We all have our biases. And we could all chase a little more self-awareness. My belief is that our conversations in a place like this (rarer and rarer on this dying internet) only work if we gift each other the assumption of intellectual honesty. That applies to me as well, so, apologies if I struck a nerve.

 

[NoCalSkins]

Even beyond the Terry (true #1 or not) debate, you have Deebo who is still a productive WR with the ball in his hands but his biggest regression before even getting to this team was his separation ability dwindling. A lot of people chalked it up to him being out of shape last season, but I think it is more the toll his hybrid/gadget style of a role has taken on his body. It was a big reason SF went out and got CMC because Deebo carrying the entire load of the short passing game in addition to the running game was putting tons of wear & tear on him.

 

[Bulldog]

At 4-13 we have no business resigning 30 year old players like Deebo and giving them guaranteed money.

Deebo has never been a true outside receiver and is a luxury player for a team like Washington that needs to spend on more critical talents at WR and TE.

 

[Chris]

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

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Yes this should be a great example of an OC who is making his QB look better than he is.

Not discounting ability on Maye’s part but I would think it is mainly a function of scheme and playcalling (timing of plays, formations, motion) that is the main contributor to the first read being open more consistently.