Official Game Thread - Week 10 - Lions @ Commanders

B-Mitch must really feel good about the overall direction of the team. I’ve heard him so many times during the Snyder era come down on this team when the season hits this point…he’s not doing it today. He actually said in so many words the injuries have decimated our season.
 
It's crazy to see Detroit, even with a highly rated offense, hc Dan Campbell decided that it wasn't good enough and took complete control of the offensive play calling for this game while we have a historically bad defense and DQ refuses to demote Whitt or do anything.

That's one of the reasons why these 2 franchises are who they are right now. Campbell also hired Anthony Lynn and quickly fired him to bring in Ben Johnson. He won't settle for anything while Lynn will probably take over for Kliff if he ever leaves and will have a long leash also.
 
Payne should be cut... today.

I have always been one to not be reactionary, so this isn't that. I think we all see the writing on the wall with him, in the sense that the cost savings of him NOT being here in 2026 is bigger than his output on the field. I think a lot of us believe he will not be on the team next year anyways. We're at a point in the season that it's no longer about 2025. Send a message. You can't just punch an opponent on the field, no matter how 'bad' things get. It's a selfish decision. Cut him today. Move on now. We can lose without you. What you did was unacceptable, and will not be tolerated in this new culture of winning.
It’s hard to argue against this. My initial reaction is the team needs to suspend him. He misses in the trip overseas and then obviously there is the bye. I would suspend him 2 games at a minimum, but you make a good point about showing this will not be tolerated. Although cutting him and having him sign with someone else shows he can do this and get rewarded. So there is that aspect too and perhaps a longer suspension is more punishment. I don’t know all the rules about what a team is allowed to do to suspend a guy, but they need to do it and not wait for the league to handle it.
 
Every week I see random teams have young players blow up and produce NFL starter caliber games when the starters are injured.

The fact that we’re always playing from behind, and they’re playing all the snaps, and there’s very little target competition, and yet we can’t get anything like an 8/100/1 stat line from a backup WR like Lane (or McCaffrey pre-injury) or Sinnott or anyone, it’s just baffling.

Even when guys are healthy it’s rare that we see the offensive gameplan really exploit a defensive personnel weakness and pepper a guy facing a mismatch with targets. Yet teams do it every week against us and have random guys catching 8+ balls or multiple TD’s against us.

It just feels like on offense even when things are working, we don’t particularly care what the defense is doing or who is lined up across from who. We’re going to do what we planned to do, or die trying, regardless.

In this game, Lane and Burks have big gains. Do we try to isolate them and call plays to get the ball in their hands over and over again to see if one of them has a big game in their back pocket that we aren’t aware of? No.
 
Good:

1. Mariota ran the offense well, decent numbers, showed leadership. Exactly what you want from your vet backup.
2. Burke flashed with three catches and led the team in yards. He’s a 1st round pick who has never been able to stay healthy. This is a good opportunity for him.
3. Deebo got 4 catches and a TD, he’s been our best offensive weapon this year, hope we keep him.
4. Sinnot and Lane sightings. We need more from them, but it’s good to see something from the young guys.
5. Special teams has been pretty good, Gay has steadied, Tress is great, and Igbinoghene filled in well for LMC on kick returns (though you would rather not have so many).

Bad:

1. Defense. Everything about it: Bottom 10% of the league in every category, allowed 178 points in the last 5 games, guys wide open in the secondary on every play, getting dominated at the line of scrimmage, huge running lanes, weak pass rush, can’t force a turnover, can’t get a stop. An embarrassment.

Ugly:

1. Whatever happened at the end of the first half with Payne, Kinlaw, Martin, et al., like we could not win the game so we tried to win the fight after. I appreciate them showing some emotion, but there is a complete lack of discipline. Guys will be fined and under a microscope going forward. Hopefully nobody gets suspended.
2. More injuries. Now Amos? Sad.
 
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Since that article was posted about dan synder being miserable with the success we were having. We have since be a dumpster fire. I wonder how's he feeling now. Talk shows spent 2 days bashing in the glory of his misery. Fans calling in with such joy. All while leading up to championship game that we got steam rolled in. I blame it on that. Its all bad juju.
 
Since that article was posted about dan synder being miserable with the success we were having. We have since be a dumpster fire. I wonder how's he feeling now. Talk shows spent 2 days bashing in the glory of his misery. Fans calling in with such joy. All while leading up to championship game that we got steam rolled in. I blame it on that. Its all bad juju.

The lesson I guess is that it always pays to take the high road and be humble. Not in the nature of the NFL or its fans though. We love to pour salt in wounds and bask in the opposition’s tears.
 
Payne should be cut... today.

I have always been one to not be reactionary, so this isn't that. I think we all see the writing on the wall with him, in the sense that the cost savings of him NOT being here in 2026 is bigger than his output on the field. I think a lot of us believe he will not be on the team next year anyways. We're at a point in the season that it's no longer about 2025. Send a message. You can't just punch an opponent on the field, no matter how 'bad' things get. It's a selfish decision. Cut him today. Move on now. We can lose without you. What you did was unacceptable, and will not be tolerated in this new culture of winning.
New culture of winning? You mean last season?
 

Commanders​

When will the losing streak end? According to ESPN Research this is the second time in franchise history that Washington has lost four straight by 20+ points (1954). It's also the most points they've allowed over a four-game stretch since 1954. Injuries and ineffective play have wrecked them. They have a chance to end the streak next Sunday against 3-7 Miami, but the Dolphins just upset the Bills. The Commanders still have games left versus Denver, at Minnesota and versus Philadelphia (twice). They should get help on offense if and when receivers Terry McLaurin and Noah Brown return from injury. That could provide the boost they need against the 2-8 Giants (away on Dec. 14) or 3-5-1 Cowboys (home on Dec. 25). But the schedule looks bleak the rest of the way.

Stat to know: 8.8 yards per play. That's what Detroit's starting offense averaged before quarterback Jared Goff was pulled with 6:56 left in the game. That's the most Washington's defense has allowed since Nov. 30, 2014, when the Colts averaged 9.9 yards per play. On Sunday, the Lions gained 546 yards overall. -- John Keim
 
Good
2. Burke flashed with three catches and led the team in yards. He’s a 1st round pick who has never been able to stay healthy. This is a good opportunity for him.
I want to be excited about a new find too, but after Noah Brown and Lattimore, I don't really feel the optimism that the third time we acquire a habitually injured player is the charm.
 

Has anyone done 5? Also, Wagner is a legend but he's been critized a lot this year already and this may have been his worst game. He has the speed of a DT right now. On some big runs he was just running so slow behind the play and on that Gibbs TD, he flat out gave a lousy effort, halfway quit and they scored.

He also did the same exact thing that he did against Dallas whee he stood pass the first down marker and let the guy run 7 yards to him instead of attacking him to try to prevent the first down.

Just like DQ doesn't want to fire his friend Whit, they also are too ashamed to bench Wagner who is clearly a net negative player right now. He's one of those guys that even when he plays well, he's still going to give up 3-5 huge plays and honestly, we stuck with him because of his impact against the run but we literally give up like 7 yards per carry now while he's getting plowed or has 13 tackles but 10 of them are after huge gains.

I'm just sick of watching other teams fly around and we have this sloth in the center of everything. It's literally like watching a nba player from the 60s trying to play with the current players. He always looks like he's laboring out there.
 
I've been in ATL for 36 years, never left my team since '73.
I was here for the 28-3. I didn't forgive him then, and he went to Dallass .
Still not buyin'.
Just pennies.
 
The lesson I guess is that it always pays to take the high road and be humble. Not in the nature of the NFL or its fans though. We love to pour salt in wounds and bask in the opposition’s tears.
Lesson of the day!! I wholeheartedly agree with you. Unless it's Dallas, Philly or NY.... I love watching them lose and seeing their fans miserable
 
Has anyone done 5? Also, Wagner is a legend but he's been critized a lot this year already and this may have been his worst game. He has the speed of a DT right now. On some big runs he was just running so slow behind the play and on that Gibbs TD, he flat out gave a lousy effort, halfway quit and they scored.

He also did the same exact thing that he did against Dallas whee he stood pass the first down marker and let the guy run 7 yards to him instead of attacking him to try to prevent the first down.

Just like DQ doesn't want to fire his friend Whit, they also are too ashamed to bench Wagner who is clearly a net negative player right now. He's one of those guys that even when he plays well, he's still going to give up 3-5 huge plays and honestly, we stuck with him because of his impact against the run but we literally give up like 7 yards per carry now while he's getting plowed or has 13 tackles but 10 of them are after huge gains.

I'm just sick of watching other teams fly around and we have this sloth in the center of everything. It's literally like watching a nba player from the 60s trying to play with the current players. He always looks like he's laboring out there.
My opinion last season was sure Bobby Wagner made a lot of tackles but most appeared to be 6 yards downfield. Now he and the entire defense is a joke. Every team we have faced who was not quarterbacked by Russel Wilson has move the ball at will all season. Backs, tight ends and mostly receivers are constantly wide open. Wasn't Whitt some secondary genius? Well he sucks as a DC and needs to be replaced now. But sadly that won't happen.
 
It is a fishy spread for sure. That means Vegas likes it to be closer than people think. The betting public is overwhelmingly on Det…even our own fans give us little chance of keeping it close. Vegas is welcoming the action with that spread, and Vegas usually wins.

We’ve seen bigger favorites lose several times this year. We were bigger underdogs last year and beat them in Det.

Let’s not forget that the Lions and especially Goff are usually not nearly as good outdoors

This thread is filled with doom and gloom. And I feel it too. But unexpected upsets like this happen all the time in the NFL so I’m going to go ahead and call it. MM throws for two and runs one in, plus we get a pick 6

Wash 34 Det 33
I just could not find it in me to bet against the Commanders. But that 7.5 point spread was right there for the taking.
 
My opinion last season was sure Bobby Wagner made a lot of tackles but most appeared to be 6 yards downfield. Now he and the entire defense is a joke. Every team we have faced who was not quarterbacked by Russel Wilson has move the ball at will all season. Backs, tight ends and mostly receivers are constantly wide open. Wasn't Whitt some secondary genius? Well he sucks as a DC and needs to be replaced now. But sadly that won't happen.

Whitt was Dallas' passing game coordinator, they has a defensive back coach who some said was the real brains about that unit. but who knows? Dan Quinn running Dallas' defense brought a ton of pressure from that D line and that in turn makes a secondary look a lot better.

Where did this defense go wrong? My stab at it:

A. Joe Whitt. I wasn't impressed with him last year, I talked about it all summer. Feel the same now.

B. Doubling down on Lattimore at CB.

C. Regression of Sainristil and Quan Martin at their spots. Whitt and scheme part of that? Probably.

D. Wagner was slow last year, even slower this year.

E. Edge wasn't bad when Armstrong was there. It was OK. But without him and their depth losing Wise, Jean Bapitise its now really bad.

Do I think it can be fixed fast? Yes.

A. They got plenty of cap room to sign a marquee edge. Hendrickson?

B. Sign a veteran corner. Sign a veteran safety. Sign another edge.

C. Most importantly bring in a legit defensive coordinator

When you are counting on Lattmore and Wagner as your best players on defense and they both beyond suck in the pass you are in trouble. If you lose your best player on defense, Armstrong, you are double in trouble especially when the depth behind him gets hurt and you are playing washed up Preston Smith.
 
Has anyone done 5? Also, Wagner is a legend but he's been critized a lot this year already and this may have been his worst game. He has the speed of a DT right now. On some big runs he was just running so slow behind the play and on that Gibbs TD, he flat out gave a lousy effort, halfway quit and they scored.

He also did the same exact thing that he did against Dallas whee he stood pass the first down marker and let the guy run 7 yards to him instead of attacking him to try to prevent the first down.

Just like DQ doesn't want to fire his friend Whit, they also are too ashamed to bench Wagner who is clearly a net negative player right now. He's one of those guys that even when he plays well, he's still going to give up 3-5 huge plays and honestly, we stuck with him because of his impact against the run but we literally give up like 7 yards per carry now while he's getting plowed or has 13 tackles but 10 of them are after huge gains.

I'm just sick of watching other teams fly around and we have this sloth in the center of everything. It's literally like watching a nba player from the 60s trying to play with the current players. He always looks like he's laboring out there.
I am interested to see Magee's playtime yesterday. I keep reading about him being the future and how the love him and his speed but he is still used less than half the plays of Wagner and Luvu

Same goes with Sinnott over Ertz
 
Digesting all the narratives yesterday including noticing the sideline exchange between Quinn and Whitt and Quinn's press conferences.

A. If they get run over by the Dolphins I think Whitt is fired and Quinn runs the defense

B. If the defense looks ok against the Dolphins, Whitt survives to the off season.
 
Every week I see random teams have young players blow up and produce NFL starter caliber games when the starters are injured.

The fact that we’re always playing from behind, and they’re playing all the snaps, and there’s very little target competition, and yet we can’t get anything like an 8/100/1 stat line from a backup WR like Lane (or McCaffrey pre-injury) or Sinnott or anyone, it’s just baffling.

Even when guys are healthy it’s rare that we see the offensive gameplan really exploit a defensive personnel weakness and pepper a guy facing a mismatch with targets. Yet teams do it every week against us and have random guys catching 8+ balls or multiple TD’s against us.

It just feels like on offense even when things are working, we don’t particularly care what the defense is doing or who is lined up across from who. We’re going to do what we planned to do, or die trying, regardless.

In this game, Lane and Burks have big gains. Do we try to isolate them and call plays to get the ball in their hands over and over again to see if one of them has a big game in their back pocket that we aren’t aware of? No.
I posted similarly a couple weeks back. I used the Patriots as an example. You never knew what RB, FB, TE(besides Gronk) or WR would be emphasized in their game plan. There was always one that would have more usage taking advantage of whatever defensive weakness BB and company identified. It's why for weeks many of us have questioned the lack of usage of Lane and Luke in deeper pass plays, Sinnott used as a chess piece, even Bates, and more screen plays with our RB's...how about Bill getting screens
 

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