Tell the truth Tuesday

Listening to Logan Paulson who said yeah you always have to have the next man up mindset but the Commanders have more starters on IR currently than any other team. It has an impact. Referenced when Reed went down and he had to play...tried his best but there was a reason Reed was the starter.
Wow. That's an awesome statement about himself and those guys always end up making the best analyst. I love the most truthful guys. People always talk about RG3 but Reed is another great player who was always out. He would be a game changer on this offense right now
 
I'm assuming they've put tracking chips in the ball to do the virtual measurement? Assuming that's true, I don't understand why they can't time tag the ball location to the video.... basically, time tag the runner being down using the video.... use the positioning chips to locate the ball.

It's not a challenging problem given current tech.
There is not a chip in the ball to do this. They rely 100% on the spot by the ref and then use video to make it look innovative. It even took longer than bringing out the chains. The bad spot was challengeable based on everything I have read about the virtual measurement.

I don't know why they don’t put a chip in the ball and use that for more precise measurements for challenges. It doesn’t need to be every play, just ones that are challenged. But that’s not how it works today. If I had to guess, the refs union fights these types of things because it makes their clients look bad or the league loves its controversy and the discussion it generates. I can see either of those things being true.
 
There is not a chip in the ball to do this. They rely 100% on the spot by the ref and then use video to make it look innovative. It even took longer than bringing out the chains. The bad spot was challengeable based on everything I have read about the virtual measurement.

I think DQ said in his postgame and reiterated today that fourth down plays, like turnovers, cannot be challenged by coaches because they are automatically reviewed from upstairs. Please fact check me because I’m confused by the changes in the process, but that’s my understanding.
 
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I think DQ said in his postgame and reiterated today that fourth down plays, like turnovers, cannot be challenged by coaches because they are automatically reviewed from upstairs. Please fact check me because I’m confused by the changes in the process, but that’s my understanding.
You know what, I believe you are correct. The NFL did add turnover on downs as an automatic review. Meaning the replay command center (not Quinn) completely whiffed on this one. There is no way they can definitely say the spot was correct on that call. It100% should have been looked at by the officials. Collinsworth on Sunday’s game asked where is the line between expedited reviews and full ref reviews that coaches need to challenge. On Sunday, the Steelers got a TD on expedited review when they had no timeouts left. It was a bit of a head scratcher as the play looked like a TD, but we’ve seen more obvious catches called no catch. They just called down and said TD. Collinsworth was a bit perplexed himself as it seeemed a little fishy. Last night, even if they end up saying he is short, they needed the on field ref to look at it. Spotting the ball is not an easy job and that crew last night was terrible at it. This one play was a momentum swing and they didn’t even take a second look.
 
Between the injuries on offense and the poor D play, this season has been exhausting. Watching players on both sides of the ball act as if they are clueless and don't know what to do is excruciating. That 3rd down play where Connerly watched a defender pass him on the left and right while he stood there was this season in a nutshell, maybe it was Cosmi's fault, I don't know, but to not pick up one of the two free rushers was mind boggling. There's been a hundred plays this season just like that.

This team looks like a weekend flag football team, just a bunch of guys on the field, not on the same page.
 
Between the injuries on offense and the poor D play, this season has been exhausting. Watching players on both sides of the ball act as if they are clueless and don't know what to do is excruciating. That 3rd down play where Connerly watched a defender pass him on the left and right while he stood there was this season in a nutshell, maybe it was Cosmi's fault, I don't know, but to not pick up one of the two free rushers was mind boggling. There's been a hundred plays this season just like that.

This team looks like a weekend flag football team, just a bunch of guys on the field, not on the same page.
The ball bouncing off of Deebo's facemask on a screen pass, only to be picked off, was the season in a nutshell. Crazy. This has NOT been a fun season.

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I kind of dread the games coming up.
 
This team is frankly not good enough to beat even average teams with the amount of mistakes they continue to make on the field. Their margin for victory is a extremely thin.. and it shows
 
Yeah - that ‘automatic review of 4th down plays’ should not preclude a coach challenging a specific aspect of the play. How do we know that a replay crew even LOOKED at the original spot? They may just have looked at the spot and said ‘it’s short’.

I don’t know how officials could have failed to see that official put the ball down a full yard shy of forward progress. Total robbery on that play.
 
You know what, I believe you are correct. The NFL did add turnover on downs as an automatic review. Meaning the replay command center (not Quinn) completely whiffed on this one. There is no way they can definitely say the spot was correct on that call. It100% should have been looked at by the officials. Collinsworth on Sunday’s game asked where is the line between expedited reviews and full ref reviews that coaches need to challenge. On Sunday, the Steelers got a TD on expedited review when they had no timeouts left. It was a bit of a head scratcher as the play looked like a TD, but we’ve seen more obvious catches called no catch. They just called down and said TD. Collinsworth was a bit perplexed himself as it seeemed a little fishy. Last night, even if they end up saying he is short, they needed the on field ref to look at it. Spotting the ball is not an easy job and that crew last night was terrible at it. This one play was a momentum swing and they didn’t even take a second look.

It feels like there is flawed logic when it comes to spots. If the spot is really bad, they are willing to adjust it using video to the best that they can do. If the spot is bad, but not really bad, they don't adjust it at all.

WTF

It's almost like you are better off if they royally suck at spotting the ball, because then they will actually correct it.

I'm sure they wouldn't characterize what they are doing the way that I have, but this is how it appears to work from the outside.
 
There really should just be a chip in the ball. It's such an easy fix and we know that human spotting is never absolutely accurate. How can it be when the person spotting the ball is twenty yards away from the play?
 
Refs are most useful for judgement calls. Was it pass interference? Was it a late hit? Is it an incomplete catch? Though Lord knows they're horribly inconsistent with those too
 
This team is frankly not good enough to beat even average teams with the amount of mistakes they continue to make on the field. Their margin for victory is a extremely thin.. and it shows

This team at full strength is probably 5-3. We're not exactly the deepest team anyway, but getting shredding with injuries from the jump isn't exactly the recipe for a successful year.
 
Yeah. We wound up getting shredded in both our strongest areas and our weakest.

We had weak pass rushing corp to begin with and wanted to manufacture pressure around C+ players. Well, we lost the C+ starters, then their C- back ups, and now are starting guys who might be below JAG level.

Our receiving corp with McLaurin, Deebo, and Noah with a rookie speedster threatening should have been the strength but we've mostly not been even able to get one of those guys on the field. The silver lining is Luke may be developing, but he's still not threatening to be starter material (has a good knack at kickoffs though)
 
but I thought keeping the starters out of preseason was going to avoid these injuries...just sayin...

If they were hurt in preseason...you still had time and a talent pool to draw from. Shades of county club Gruden...
 
Yeah - that ‘automatic review of 4th down plays’ should not preclude a coach challenging a specific aspect of the play. How do we know that a replay crew even LOOKED at the original spot? They may just have looked at the spot and said ‘it’s short’.

I don’t know how officials could have failed to see that official put the ball down a full yard shy of forward progress. Total robbery on that play.

It was a game in KC. Fans of all teams seem to complain about it every week. Like them spotting us short several times and calling receptions out of bounds multiple times. Blind to multiple OL holds etc.

Similar to when we play in NY. Refs don't call the game fairly.

Which really makes no sense because it's not like we had JD and might win.
 
I'd like to remind everyone talking about our "lack of depth" that in this league, every team suffers a talent drop off from starters to backups at more positions than not.

KC started the season with a WR corps decimated by injury and suspension, and lost the first 2 games, including one to San Diego.

Four weeks later, this Washington team went into SD and beat the Chargers who were starting backups at both OT positions and lost their starting RB during the game.
 
Plus, at some positions we not only lost our starters but our back ups. Of course, we lack depth after being forced to start our backups backups.
 
The other thing to consider is how teams get depth. They generally dont SIGN valuable depth pieces because guys that are walking the streets usually are doing so with the hopes of starting somewhere. Depth comes from young competition and aging veterans. Players capable of contributing in a pinch but you don't want to depend on them for an extended period of time. No team has 53 starters on their roster, because if they were at that level they wouldn't be backups. It's a constant rotation of depth. As a 'better' player comes in, that current starter either leaves, or falls down the depth chart. This front office has had 2 drafts / off seasons that have demanded more than half the roster be signed / re-signed. They've been effective enough drafting, that most of their picks are starting, or forced to play. Arguably our weakest position group, we've drafted more players into than any other position group in CB with Amos and Sainristil.

Depth is a moving target, it's very rarely consistent from year to year because players rarely (and never should be) are content with being the 3rd DT / DE, or 5th DB / LB. They're constantly trying to improve, and 'hope' they get a shot to prove themselves, and when they do, they aspire to start whether it be here or somewhere else in free agency. Guys don't sign 4 year deals to be a backup at any position other then maybe QB. Good teams generally lose a lot of players in the off season because of performance, and bad teams generally let them walk willingly.

I think it's more of an endorsement that even if a team 'under performs' in a given season, continuity is key. When teams get good, they are faced with the polarizing question of "do we pay the stars and get top heavy, or do we spread the depth and try to raise the floor?" Teams like KC, Buffalo, and Baltimore let premium talent walk at other positions, while teams like Philly and Detroit invest heavily in the skill positions and raise the floor. All of them continue to build a certain way, and do so with a plan. They keep their staff together as long as they can, but the direction of the players / roster remains the same, so it's easier to get guys integrated at depth positions as they come in young in hungry, or join in during the descent of their careers.
 
Yeah my thing with the AI stuff is....if you are going to implement AI technology into the officiating then use it to it's actual capabilities which is removing the judgment call stuff from the officials whenever possible. Penalties like pass interference are too gray area for AI to likely have a fair assessment every time especially since officials a lot of times come up with their own criteria for how they allowed individual games to be played (now, consistency, that is a whole other issue) but something as simple as spotting a ball correctly to determine a 1st down or turnover on downs if you let the official first set the spot and then say "AI measure it from where I placed it" then the entire process is flawed to begin with. Let AI determine the actual spot in the first place.
 

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