Official Game Thread - Week 6 MNF - Bears @ Commanders

[Dlts20]

Man this is a rough crowd. Go to the NFC Championship game year 1 and a 3-3 record and being compared to Ron Rivera.

Wow.

That's why I mostly stay away from comments after our losses. I mean people were acting like Mariota was better than Jayden and everything else. I just can't with this fanbase

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Primus Porcus

Let's move past this loss and look forward to the next opportunity!!!

Where is the Dallas thread?!!!

I (half jokingly) say “there are no problems, just opportunities for greatness” at work all the time when somebody says they have a problem.

Some of my more humorous employees now come to em and say “I have an opportunity for greatness.” And because I’m just that guy I respond with “oh dear what’s the problem?”

 

[tomwvr]

There’s no telling what will happen in next weeks game - much less the next 5 or 6. No one said being an NFL fan would be a cakewalk.

Well what has this staff done different this year than what Ron did?

 

[tomwvr]

Nah. I don't know why people just judge you at your worst. We have been bad for so long that people are conditioned to think so negatively. We haven't played our best ball, haven't been healthy, and haven't fully clicked. When we do, I will go into pretty much every game expecting to win. There is literally no game on our schedule that is a sure loss. I believe in Jayden. He's really going to want to ball out now after the way we lost. Get Terry and Cosmi back with the line playing the way that they can, I still see us being able to get 30 plus every game. We just have to get healthy and find our rhythm

That is how humans are - hell at my job we are being told - Here is the plan follow the plan 100% don't think don't do anything different than the plan and if you don't follow the plan we will fire you and if you do follow the plan and it doesn't work we will fire you..... The only acceptable out come is to give us the results we want ...

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Well what has this staff done different this year than what Ron did?

 

[Faithful Fan]

Appreciate this, a lot of people are down on Quan because his missed tackle at the end stood out, but he has played pretty well for us, and we do not have better options.

 

[Faithful Fan]

If this team wanted to make the playoffs they needed to be a one loss team at this point. The "easy" part of the schedule is done. They may go on a 5-6 game losing streak since we will be playing against really good offenses in those games. Any team with a REAL QB would have destroyed this team last night ..

I think this is a little hyperbolic, but you’re right to say we are not where we should be at this point in the season. This was the easy part of our schedule. I predicted 10 wins for us, but that was counting Atlanta and Chicago as wins, so I could easily see us finishing 8-9 or worse.

We will have to pull off some upset wins to make up for the poor start. It could happen, we have good leadership and a difference maker at QB, but it’s hard to be optimistic when we keep losing games we are favored to win.

 

[Dlts20]

If Jayden had a game like Caleb had, Commanders fans and media would be down on him. The fact that Bears fans are excited about games like this from Caleb shows how low the bar is and I am not just talking about last night.

Washington won the first game of the season by 15pts, Jayden had 300 total yards, zero turnovers, won Bradys player of the game, and everyone from the fans to the media came away disappointed. If Caleb had that same game, Bears fans and media would be ecstatic. That's the difference.

I've watched every Bears game and he hasn't looked great in any besides against a Cowboys defense who were playing the worst in the league at the time. Commanders fans and media would have been down on him with these performances. That's the difference.

 

[Conn]

Well what has this staff done different this year than what Ron did?

So instead of you having to prove your assertion, you can just say whatever and then other people have to spend their time disproving broad, subjective statements? Interesting technique

 

[tomwvr]

So instead of you having to prove your assertion, you can just say whatever and then other people have to spend their time disproving broad, subjective statements? Interesting technique

Well how about this
Ron had his plan was very poor at making adjustments in game. Ron had issues with Clock Management and keeping the penalties and turnovers in check, Ron had issues with using his roster to the best of its players abilities, put folks in poor spots for their talents and lastly ran a very conservative offense . Last year Dan was great at almost all of that - this year he is not. I would love to see Dan of last year, Creative offensive play, using folks in proper spots, aggressive game plans, decent game management.... the coaching this year is like they are playing to not lose a game where last year they played to WIN games

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

No one said being an NFL fan would be a cakewalk.

I was born in the late 70’s and grew up in the 80’s when the Skins went to 4 SBs, won 3 and went to another NFC championship game.

I didn’t think anything other than winning was a possibility until 1993. Then Norv happened and my life has never been the same.

 

[RedWolf]

I think some people on this board just need to get laid

 

[36ST21]

I think some people on this board just need to get laid

I think they would even find a way to complain about that:

"I had to work too hard and was tired afterward."
"She sweated all over me."
"There was a wet spot in the bed."
"A hair got caught in my teeth."

 

[tomwvr]

I was born in the mid 60s The first season I remember was the 72 super bowl team. All I remember in the 70s was great teams that under performed . And then the 80s other that Jan 83 was pretty awesome. Went to Church with Frank Herzog, Got to talk with Sonny at several training camps and that got me through the dark times after 93. After He who must not be named bought the team and destroyed the radio booth it just made it awful to be a fan. Now we have what in my opinion is fools gold. We will never get back to the promised land as long as we keep getting OLD defensive oriented coaches. Dan is too set in his ways to repeat what he did last year.

 

[Dlts20]

Let's also not forget that Caleb threw a couple of picks yesterday also but our guys dropped them. We need to make those plays when they are there. The same on offense. Moore showed why the coaches like him but then he dropped a crucial one again. Gay has to also make these kicks. That's so deflating to the players and fans when a kicker misses a FG, especially in a close game or when you are trailing

 

[Kel Varnsen]

I think they would even find a way to complain about that:

"I had to work too hard and was tired afterward."
"She sweated all over me."
"There was a wet spot in the bed."
"A hair got caught in my teeth."

 

[skinsinparadise]

When Craig Hoffman asked Ron what do you do? He talked about this on one of his shows. Ron delgated so much it came off like he did nothing. And Craig said Ron didn't really have a good answer to it. Heck Ron according to some didn't even have the balls to tell Bieniemy that he didn't like his pass happy game planning I gather in part because he told him he'd have total power.

Ron's highlight here was a 7-9 season, sneak into the playoffs. Ron could have hired the best of the best for the FO, instead he dumped Kyle Smith and hired retread friends to run the office mostly.

Ron didn't even know that they were eliminated from the playoffs.

Ron just half assed everything it seemed. As Hoffman among others liked to say, Ron cared about his PR and how he looked much more than anything else -- as Craig joked, Ron walked around like he was playing a part in a moive about a high school foorball coach,

Quinn from what I hear puts in 14 plus hour days and works his ass off. Brings motivational speakers every week just about. Grinds. When Ron got fired as Sheehan pointed out from Carolina, Ron basically said he did it all perfectly and Carolina made a mistake. When Quinn got fired he hired a firm to dissect all he did in his previous job and how he can improve.

The only thing Ron and Quinn have in common that I can tell is they were both defensive coordinators, made a SB appearance and are nice guys. Otherwise they couldn't be more dfferent as dudes from what I've heard.

My only beef with Quinn is Whitt. And i am not saying I am right on it. I am guessing. But I wonder if it comes down that Whitt doesn't have it would Quinn fire his friend?

Quinn has already accomplished here something that Norv, Marty, Jay, Zorn, Shanny, Ron, etc never did. Winning 12 games. Winning 2 playoff games.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

When Craig Hoffman asked Ron what do you do? He talked about this on one of his shows. Ron delgated so much it came off like he did nothing. And Craig said Ron didn't really have a good answer to it. Heck Ron according to some didn't even have the balls to tell Bieniemy that he didn't like his pass happy game planning I gather in part because he told him he'd have total power.

Ron's highlight here was a 7-9 season, sneak into the playoffs. Ron could have hired the best of the best for the FO, instead he dumped Kyle Smith and hired retread friends to run the office mostly.

Ron didn't even know that they were eliminated from the playoffs.

Ron just half assed everything it seemed. As Hoffman among others liked to say, Ron cared about his PR and how he looked much more than anything else -- as Craig joked, Ron walked around like he was playing a part in a moive about a high school foorball coach,

Quinn from what I hear puts in 14 plus hour days and works his ass off. Brings motivational speakers every week just about. Grinds. When Ron got fired as Sheehan pointed out from Carolina, Ron basically said he did it all perfectly and Carolina made a mistake. When Quinn got fired he hired a firm to dissect all he did in his previous job and how he can improve.

The only thing Ron and Quinn have in common that I can tell is they were both defensive coordinators, made a SB appearance and are nice guys. Otherwise they couldn't be more dfferent as dudes from what I've heard.

My only beef with Quinn is Whitt. And i am not saying I am right on it. I am guessing. But I wonder if it comes down that Whitt doesn't have it would Quinn fire his friend?

Quinn has already accomplished here something that Norv, Marty, Jay, Zorn, Shanny, Ron, etc never did. Winning 12 games. Winning 2 playoff games.

Quinn has acomplished more here in 1.25 years than every coach in Washington Redskins Football Commanders Team history other than Joe Gibbs and George Allen. That's it. That's the list. **Let's say in the SB era. I am not going to debate whether or not whoever coached Sammy Baugh did more than Quinn.

He's got a long way to go to catch Gibbs.

I don't really have a beef with Quinn hiring Whitt. He's a first time coordinator who Quinn knows well, and is definitely qualified and deserved the opportunity. I don't even have a beef with him keeping Whitt from last year to this year. He didn't do so poorly last year, and the personnel was so poor in the secondary, you couldn't make a change from that.

The question is going to be, what does he do moving forward? Both during the season and then in the off-season.

The one other thing I do think which works in Quinn's favor is Adam Peters. I think Peters is good counsel, and I think while he might not force Quinn to do anything, he could certainly advise and suggest.

Last thing, difference between Ron and Quinn. Quinn said in his presser yesterday he didn't have the answer to the slow starts, but he was going to do something in practice, whether it was different competitions, or something to get things going and challenge the team to get ready quickly. Ron wouldn't have even had the idea to change anything. Quinn is like, "we'll come up with something."

I do think the slow start Monday night was a bit of an outlier in the way our slow starts have been happening. The defense held to a FG on the opening drive, then the offense was moving the ball and Daniels threw a bad INT in the red zone. Defense held again to a FG, and Bill fumbled. Then they finally gave up a TD.

The two turnovers on the first 2 drives kindof makes it look like a slow start. But at least Daniel's INT was a shot to the endzone and after the offense was moving the ball.

I don't consider that so much a slow start as sloppy. And it was really sloppy by only 2 players, Daniels and Bill. Defense wasn't great, but the offense didn't help them at all early.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

"A hair got caught in my teeth."

 

[skinsinparadise]

Quinn has acomplished more here in 1.25 years than every coach in Washington Redskins Football Commanders Team history other than Joe Gibbs and George Allen. That's it. That's the list. **Let's say in the SB era. I am not going to debate whether or not whoever coached Sammy Baugh did more than Quinn.

He's got a long way to go to catch Gibbs.

I don't really have a beef with Quinn hiring Whitt. He's a first time coordinator who Quinn knows well, and is definitely qualified and deserved the opportunity. I don't even have a beef with him keeping Whitt from last year to this year. He didn't do so poorly last year, and the personnel was so poor in the secondary, you couldn't make a change from that.

The question is going to be, what does he do moving forward? Both during the season and then in the off-season.

The one other thing I do think which works in Quinn's favor is Adam Peters. I think Peters is good counsel, and I think while he might not force Quinn to do anything, he could certainly advise and suggest.

Last thing, difference between Ron and Quinn. Quinn said in his presser yesterday he didn't have the answer to the slow starts, but he was going to do something in practice, whether it was different competitions, or something to get things going and challenge the team to get ready quickly. Ron wouldn't have even had the idea to change anything. Quinn is like, "we'll come up with something."

I do think the slow start Monday night was a bit of an outlier in the way our slow starts have been happening. The defense held to a FG on the opening drive, then the offense was moving the ball and Daniels threw a bad INT in the red zone. Defense held again to a FG, and Bill fumbled. Then they finally gave up a TD.

The two turnovers on the first 2 drives kindof makes it look like a slow start. But at least Daniel's INT was a shot to the endzone and after the offense was moving the ball.

I don't consider that so much a slow start as sloppy. And it was really sloppy by only 2 players, Daniels and Bill. Defense wasn't great, but the offense didn't help them at all early.

I don't have an issue with him hiring Whitt or retaining him either. But, if it comes off after season 2, that he can do better than him I wonder if he can fire the same guy who he's pals with and his close to his kids. Will see.

I also feel that there might be an overhang of last years success which would be human nature versus anything damning.

Agree that having Peters is helpful to any coach here after the clowns we've had in the FO. I don't absolve Ron on that front or even Gibbs 2 because they had the power to hire whomever they wanted.

But I'll say this if we get an Empire Strikes Back season, and they miss the playoffs. I have faith that guys as driven as Quinn, Peters and Jayden will come back in 2026 with a vengence. It would bug them all off season and obsess with how to bring back their success. With Ron, I don't think he'd care enough to do it let alone have the competence to pull it off.

To me the biggest difference between Quinn and Ron is drive and how much attention they put into their product. Quinn by reputation is a 100 miles an hour guy. Ron is like the old lady driving 40 miles an hour on the speedway, sticking to the right lane the whole way. Quinn, Peters and Jayden are by reputation work ethic maniacs and driven to succeed.

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Anthony Lynn, who has played or coached for a third of the NFL, called Quinn “one of the best culture-builders” he’s ever seen. This, he swore was different. He said Quinn put the players in charge… in a unique way. He noted that this culture change required extra work from the assistant coaches… hesitant to share that secret sauce.

...Innovation’s nonstop. Washington inches toward solutions.

Nobody’s hesitant to go right to the boss in the goatee and backwards hat with a suggestion. All along, Pritchard says Quinn has been open to changing anything he’s done in the past. This includes everything from how the Commanders structure practice, back to how they handled their “Top 30” pre-draft visits. The Commanders famously took 20+ prospects to Topgolf, including the quarterbacks they’d be choosing from at No. 2: Daniels, Drake Maye, J.J. McCarthy and Michael Penix Jr. Coaches wanted to observe potential draftees in an authentic environment.

Not a board meeting. Not something that requires hours of memorization with agents.

“He’s literally asking us feedback in real time on everything. Everything,” Pritchard says. “You’re empowering your people around you to have a say in the culture and environment you’re building, and that goes a long way.”