2025 Washington Commanders Camp / Preseason

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I'm going to start a thread on "Discussion on Redskins History" at some point so it doesn't derail threads. I actually would slide your B. 4 years later. I don't think it was hiring Bruce, because when they hired Bruce, Mike Shanahan was the ultimate boss and had final say on Roster and everything else.

The bigger mistake was when Dan fired Shanahan because he wanted to empower Griffin, he then elevated Bruce to President of Football Operations and gave him ultimate authority over everything, including hiring nepo-baby moron Jay Gruden, and then everything else that took place after it.

I put 2010-2013 mostly on Shanahan's room bill, for better or worse. Mike's title was "VP of Football and Head Coach" and Bruce's was "VP of Football and General Manager" and Mike had final roster say. Then in 2014 Bruce became President.

I'd also argue adding a third, which came WAY earlier: when Dan forced the signing of Jeff George when they already had Brad Johnson playing at a pro bowl level, but he didn't like the way Johnson played, he liked the big arm of George. I put that signing actually as worse than the Albert Haynesworth signing because it was a clear indication Dan would undo good things for no good reason.

As to Jeff George we can do a ton of those with Dan but that's certainly one of them.

I get your point about Bruce but i don't take it that literally. Agree at first Bruce didn't have the power but Shanny did. Ultimately he did have the power and the rest is history.

I think Bruce running operations was the death knell for Dan and in retrospect am glad it happened. Dan thought that being more hands off and letting a "football" guy run the operation was a change that fans and his critics should embrace. The problem was Bruce wasn't a football guy, he was a money guy with political skills. Can you succeed that way -- yeah if you hire stud underlings but Bruce-Dan didn't roll that way for the most part.

But I think the kicker with Bruce is how cheap he was with everything. The stadium-facilities started falling apart. They became cheap with contracts as to coaches-players, etc. Yet Bruce was as smug as Dan -- he celebrated mediocrity, wasn't fan friendly, on and on. Just like Dan he had his head in the sand. Dan found a more polished-political version of himself and they crashed the Titanic together.

The organization became even more smug and sleazy than the pre-Bruce years -- yet they were boring as hell (The Vinny era was bad but not as bad -- they won more in the Vinny era, sold more tickets, and were more entertaining even though they were incompetent) and Bruce-Dan couldn't pull an elite player whether it was FA or the draft if their life depended on it. No stars typically. More sleaze. More smugness. And eventually it all crashed under Bruce including the attendance sinking like a rock, and losing their national signifcance. In short Bruce put in motion everything that needed to be done to crash the brand for good.
 
As to Jeff George we can do a ton of those with Dan but that's certainly one of them.
My last comment on this and then dropping this because it's completely off-topic, but I think George was by far the worst of all of them. There were certainly others. But George was the first where Dan brought in a player to replace a pro-bowler.

The other one which is in the same vane was Deion. Who I despise with ever fiber of my being. Most of the others were just guys they brought in and overpaid, or Dan drafted because of "reasons."

But George was a special type of terrible.
 
My last comment on this and then dropping this because it's completely off-topic, but I think George was by far the worst of all of them. There were certainly others. But George was the first where Dan brought in a player to replace a pro-bowler.

The other one which is in the same vane was Deion. Who I despise with ever fiber of my being. Most of the others were just guys they brought in and overpaid, or Dan drafted because of "reasons."

But George was a special type of terrible.
George is certainly a contender, as is Trotter for Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark for ______________ blanking on his name.
 
George is certainly a contender, as is Trotter for Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark for ______________ blanking on his name.

Clark for Archuletta.

Dan fighting his FO about Haskins (RIP) telling people in the FO they are wrong about him and that he was the best player in the draft.

Dan insisting to Ron to do whatever it takes to get Wentz, hence the overpay, and then his last public statement on the team which I can recall was saying we finally have a QB.
 
Please gents, we can't change yesterday
Yeah, point taken. I said it was my last reply on the topic. Sometimes we rabbit hole. I am going to start another thread for the yesteryears at some point.

But now, back on topic. Sorry for the digression.
 
I'd add Fowler is defintely the one parroting Terry's agent.

I've listened now to a few of his interviews on it. Here's where his bias showed to me.

A. He likes to say they are offering him a slightly pay raise from his previous contract. Then when pressed on what that number is, he admits that he doesn't know. So the slight pay raise is certainly how Terry and his agent spin whatever the figure is.

B. He was pressed in one podcast about Terry's agent being an amateur for contracts this big. And he then dug in hard about reputable Terry's agent was. He got very defensive of Terry's agent.

In his recent interview with the fan, Rio, he actually said while Terry likes it in Washington, he would be happy to go to another team if they paid him. So again, Terry is a mercenary when it comes to the contract -- money >>> Washington. money >>> winning a SB.


 
SIP...come on. Terry thread please
 
Mike had final say. He said so in his interview. HOWEVER, final say didn't mean Dan couldn't make a decision. And Dan made that decision, told Bruce, and then forced Mike.

McNabb was all Dan. And Mike probably didn't want to pull the "you can't do that, it's in my contract, so do it and I quit and you still owe me my entire contract" card literally before the first game was played. In hindsight, maybe he should have, but the guy he wanted as the veteran stop gap also sucked, I can't remember who. But it was some journeyman dude, maybe Delhomme from Carolina, or that guy from St. Louis maybe? I don't remember. But McNabb was a Dan call 100%, not Bruce.

Some other veteran journeyman? Hmm...couldn't have been Delhomme or Rex Grossman cause they left in FA for cheap that year (Rex to us), no need to trade for them. I know we did try to trade the farm for Sam Bradford, but the Rams wouldn't trade the #1 pick. So we got Trent Williams instead.

Best guess is Matt Hasselbeck or Carson Palmer? Both of their teams were basically already out on them. Seattle let Hasselbeck walk 1 year later, and Cincinnati traded Palmer 1 year later too.
 
Edit: Off topic conversation moved to the appropriate thread.

 
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I know it's only preseason, but we got a game tomorrow, folks!

Excited to see our rookies take their first steps and our backups show mettle. An NFL season is often about attritiion so depth is soooo important.
 
Yep. O line play is often about teamwork-continuity and this O line has so many new moving parts. My fear is actually game 1, the Giants D line is ferocious, their LBs are good, too. And they've upgraded their secondary.

Russell Wilson isn't great but he did beat us last year and was a 2 point away from beating us the year before. An upset by the Giants, would feel deflating.

And it feels like there is some possibility of it.

A. Giants seem determined from what I read to get off to a stronger start this season by playing their starters more in the preseason. Doesn't seem like this team will do the same.
B. This team played poorly in the first two games last year -- almost lost to the Giants, and likely would have lost if the Giants had a kicker that day
C. Giants strength -- D line versus position weakness of Washington O line.
D. Terry assuming he plays might be rusty ala how J. Chase played in the first two games last season after also holding out
E. Motivation -- much bigger deal for NY to pull an upset than Washington beating NY
if they lose week 1 to the giants it will make it very hard to win the East and perhaps even have a winning season.
 
Sorry to jump on the derailed train. Maybe that team history discussion thread Voice_of_Reason mentioned is a good idea.
I started the thread:


Anybody who wants to continue the trip down memory lane, please go there and let's have at it.

Again, apologies for the derailment of this thread for a bit.
 
It seems like yesterday was season-ending injury day across the league. It was a good day to be idle.
 
Sorry to jump on the derailed train. Maybe that team history discussion thread Voice_of_Reason mentioned is a good idea.

I think we all need this, for catharsis. Or some version of it. "Team post Snyder.".
Slater out for Chargers is a huge loss

This obviously helps our chances when we play them.

Excited to see all the rookies and second year players tonight!
 
if they lose week 1 to the giants it will make it very hard to win the East and perhaps even have a winning season.

I wouldn’t go this far but it would be extremely disappointing and we’d spend the next 8 weeks hoping it wasn’t a sign of struggles to come
 
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