BGO Blind Pig: The QB Decision

I am not sure. Reid may have signed a bridge qb until Mahomes was truly ready.

Reid could have traded Smith after the draft and started Mahomes in 2017 if he thought Patrick was there.

I trusted his judgment he wasn’t quite ready.
 
The other thing we HAVE to do is think about this 3 dimensionally.

the 'right' pick may ultimately not work out because of factors that happen AFTER draft day. Injury, mentality, work habits, personal issues, coaching staff changes, roster construction, Front office turnover...

Jayden Daniels may be the 'right' pick, but future factors ultimately effect his ability to be a franchise QB. Same for Maye. It's not Binary. It's not a 1 or 0 like the coding in the matrix. Additionally, Daniels may get drafted by New England and go on to be a successful QB, but that success would not have had the same path had he been drafted here.... same for Maye, McCarthy, etc.
 
I think if Peters takes Daniels or Maye or Williams for that matter if Chicago does the unthinkable, few people would question it.

But if Washington selects JJ McCarthy at #2 overall, he better be the next coming of Tom Brady or Joe Montana because the chorus of criticism from media, fans, etc. is going to be there the minute McCarthy doesn't look good out on the field for whatever reason.

So, taking McCarthy at #2 if he really believes JJ is the best quarterback to project to the NFL shows Peters has a big brass pair.
 
Bulldog, I really don't think this ownership group is going to give two f's what the fans think at this point, that's bad leadership no matter how odd it is to type that. If we don't have patience, we get what we've gotten over the past decade plus. As I stated earlier, I'll not bitch about who they pick because the last sure fire QB to come out of the draft was Luck and even that ended up with a sad ending. It's all semantics, conjecture and speculation until they get on the field, I'd rather they stick with what they think is best and deal with the aftermath then try to satisfy as Bob said "the loud asshats".
 
I'd say the last "sure fire" "can't miss" QB prospect was probably Trevor Lawrence, but your point stands. He's been more disappointing than Luck.
 
Burrow was pretty close to 100%. I knew when Washington won that 17-16 game against Miami and the Bengals were tanking all the way we weren't going to get our franchise quarterback.

Imagine what a difference Burrow would have made here instead of Chase Young.

The funny thing is the quarterbacks in 2020 have been as a group MORE productive (Burrow, Tua and Justin Herbert) in that top 10 than the highly rated position players like Chase Young and Jeff Okudah.
 
I kinda like this idea of all the QB’s meeting at once. Creates artificial competition and lets you see who is the alpha dog.
 
Daniels is the most ready day 1 guy. His drop back and his windup/release is a thing of beauty. His accuracy is very impressive too.

With that said. I can’t get past the no sliding and the frail body. Sure he is not the same as RG. They have noticeable differences. He loves to run though, and he gets blown up too much. It’s a ticking time bomb. He does the limp body thing when he senses the big hit, which is an interesting way to do it I gotta say. As if he is surrendering. I’m not sure that is gonna fly with defenses in the NFL who have been burned after a few runs.


Drake Maye had two different coordinators and two different drop back techniques. He’s raw. I’m cool if he doesn’t start right away. He is built to withstand contact. Designed runs. Short yardage. Improv. He can do it all. His footwork and his windup can be tightened up. He can do that.

JJ might be my second choice because of his mind/body/youth/athleticism/record.

Longevity. I don’t want the shooting star.
Adam has to look out for the long term success of the team.

So my ranking is.
Drake Maye (Sit longest).
JJ McCarthy (Might be able to start right away).
Jayden Daniels (Should be able to start right away).


I’m gonna support whoever we pick.
 
Are there any statistics that prove that duel-threat QBs are injured at a higher rate than any other group of QBs?
 
Chris said:
Are there any statistics that prove that duel-threat QBs are injured at a higher rate than any other group of QBs?
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That’s a good question and I’d be interested in a real answer. But I can tell you by my own eyes it’s true. Look at the dual threat guys and how they all eventually break sooner than expected. Cam Newton was probably the biggest and strongest one we’ve seen recently. And with him, it wasn’t his legs that broke, it was his arm. All that contact eventually takes its toll. It may not result in a torn ACL, but they seem to add up. Last year was the first year since his rookie year that Lamar Jackson didn’t miss a game. And he seems pretty good about avoiding contact. I think Mahomes and Rodgers are good examples of guys who play from the pocket and run when they need to. Rodgers was banged up a lot, but could play through most injuries by staying in the pocket.

I am curious what the stats show, but it does seem like QBs can increase their longevity by learning to avoid contact, which often means staying in the pocket more and running less. It doesn’t mean a dual threat can’t succeed, but it seems they play longer by running less as they get older.
 
Chris said:
Are there any statistics that prove that duel-threat QBs are injured at a higher rate than any other group of QBs?
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the eyeball test. Some guys, you can just see how they get hit and it's different.

RG3 was one of those guys. He struggled at avoiding solid contact. Russell Wilson was the antithesis of that. He routinely ran, for LARGE gains at times, but appeared to never take a clean hit. He never got squared up. Do dual threat QBs get hurt at a higher rate? No, probably not. Freak injuries happen in the pocket ALL THE TIME. In fact you could argue you're MORE vulnerable there because of the surrounding area. Joe Burrow is not a running QB, and Allen got blocked into his knee and turned it inside out. That kind of stuff happens, but guys who regularly run.. some have a 'gamer' mentality and they're not programed a certain way... others have that RB mentality, and they're programmed to know how to take a hit and not get squared up.
 
I really have only one great hope for the #2 pick…that they hit on whatever player they select. For not only the obvious reason but also so that I don’t have to live through this bs again for a long, long time.

It’s f’ing Groundhog Day.
 
SilentThreat said:
the eyeball test. Some guys, you can just see how they get hit and it's different.

RG3 was one of those guys. He struggled at avoiding solid contact. Russell Wilson was the antithesis of that. He routinely ran, for LARGE gains at times, but appeared to never take a clean hit. He never got squared up. Do dual threat QBs get hurt at a higher rate? No, probably not. Freak injuries happen in the pocket ALL THE TIME. In fact you could argue you're MORE vulnerable there because of the surrounding area. Joe Burrow is not a running QB, and Allen got blocked into his knee and turned it inside out. That kind of stuff happens, but guys who regularly run.. some have a 'gamer' mentality and they're not programed a certain way... others have that RB mentality, and they're programmed to know how to take a hit and not get squared up.
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Russell Wilson’s physical differences allowed him to play that way too. I see the thin lower legs of guys like RG, Teddy Bridgewater, and now JD, and I wonder if they are afraid to slide. If their cleats grab, could they break an ankle easier, or is it just more painful to do? Honestly I don’t know.

Btw, Teddy nearly lost his leg by simply slipping while making a throw in practice. And he was not a running qb! Side note. Teddy dominated us. lol.

The thin lower legs terrify me.
 
I don't think any of us know. Folks have opinions that dual threat QBs are likely to get hurt - but 1/2 the starting QBs in the NFL every season get hurt one way or the other. We talk about 'body type' but beyond RG3 comparisons, we can't point to any evidence that guys with less bulky body types are more likely to get serious injuries.

We think we know. But we really don't know. There are so many variables involved in an injury - that's what makes it so dangerous to draw conclusions.
 
Boone said:
I don't think any of us know. Folks have opinions that dual threat QBs are likely to get hurt - but 1/2 the starting QBs in the NFL every season get hurt one way or the other. We talk about 'body type' but beyond RG3 comparisons, we can't point to any evidence that guys with less bulky body types are more likely to get serious injuries.

We think we know. But we really don't know. There are so many variables involved in an injury - that's what makes it so dangerous to draw conclusions.
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It’s gonna be a fun time. Thanks to Ron and Co we are in this spot to have these opinions at all. Position flex!
 
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