Random Commanders Thoughts

There is nothing vague about that Tweet. Look at the time stamp. Keim put that up on Sunday, right after the game ended.
 
Yeah, my bad. It was posted now which is two days after and I figured it was from today.
 
It's a really bad look when a third year coach preaches patience suggesting it doesn't happen overnight.

You had three years!
 
No, you aren't.

So, do something Ron. It's as much on you as it is the players
 
SilentThreat said:
speculation, but i'll play.

This game was also winnable with compentant offensive playcalling.

For every argument you make about Wentz, I can make the same one about Turner. Again, Wentz is not at all free of responsibility, but neither is the coaching / playcalling. Wentz has nothing to do with Jackson bailing and leaving Ceedee Lamb alone for a TD. Wentz has nothing to do with Fuller getting roasted. Wentz is not the reason we rushed for 101 yards in the first half and ended the game with 142. You believe that Turner's playcalling is because he doesn't trust his QB... but we're seeing a lot of the same thing we've seen in years past. Failing to adjust to a pass rush by helping out the QB. He did it with Alex Smith, go back and look at the first time Smith got sacked by Donald. 3rd and 4... 3 WRs in trips and McKissic in the backfield on a designed route to the flat. NO help on the blitz AND the first read is opposite side of the field from McKissic, despite Alex having half a freakin leg. Here's a screen shot once again of Turner giving no help, and running a congested offense that does not prioritize the outlet pass. McKissic is wide open but the first read is to the left where there are 2 recivers within feet of eachother... resulting in 2 defenders within feet of eachother. Here's the screen grab.



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Here's one with Heinicke against Dallas. Again.. 3rd and 4, 4 receivers split out, RB in the backfield with no blitz package pickup. Gregory comes completely clean from around the left side. Gibson runs out on a leak route after looking right at the
free running blitzer (leading me to believe he's not there in protection) and Heinicke has no chance.




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Here's the play we all remember from the game vs Dallas when Taylor was QB. Gibson motions out of the backfield and it's now an empty set with 5... yes 5 receivers split out, after Heinicke had been struggling to that point to get a rhythm. The route combination calls for some sort of traffic jam in the middle of the field forcing Heinicke to hold the ball (sound familiar?)

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Again, no help blocking with 5 receivers and 1 QB, that leaves 5 lineman to block 5 defenders, including a blitzing Parsons who abuses Scherff and blows Heinicke up forcing a fumble... where was he supposed to go with this ball?



The problematic scheme is not exclusive to Wentz, nor is it conservative to mitigate him. It's a problematic scheme.

here's another one with Heinicke, down 24 points, again empty set... 5 receivers out... Heinicke gets forced to scramble and tries a deep ball to Terry that gets him concussed. Meanwhile the middle of the field was wide open, but the progression didnt let Heinicke see it. By the time he see's the crosser, there's too much traffic in the middle of the field. If Bates (i think) is sent down field, Humphries probably catches this for a long gain. Again, so much traffic (presumably to create confusion for the defense) is bringin players (and defenders) together. Heinicke is then forced out and throws a YOLO ball to Terry and gets him knocked out.

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You enjoy trying to overcomplicate simple issues. You just want to try to muddy the waters, instead of admitting the obvious -- there is no way in hell that Washington is winning 7 games this year with Wentz as the QB. They will be lucky to win 3 games.

Heinicke was able to win 7 games on a team with less offensive talent last season compared to this season. Heinicke was able to win 7 games on a team with a defense that played much worse at the beginning of last season than they have so far this year.

Heinicke is able to create plays with his feet by escaping sacks, extending plays and making things happen. He did it numerous times last year. You watch all of this film, but that simple concept of Heinicke extending plays and making good things happen seems to escape you.

You're trying to compare something that isn't comparable. This team cannot even compete with Wentz as QB. He has regressed dramatically, just like I predicted after the Jaguars game. We are not an NFL team again until his ass is on the bench.
 
So.... We will finally be a "NFL" team with Heinicke at the helm ? REALLY?
 
Heinicke didn’t ‘win’ any games. The 2021 Washington Football Team did. In addition to having a different starting QB, we’ve had multiple roster changes and are plying a different schedule with those new players.

Talk about oversimplifying!

This isn’t Madden. The QB is a very important piece of any team but he is still one player. I don’t hear anyone giving Wentz a pass for his mostly poor play so far. And I guess ‘over complicated’ means actually providing some data for ones’s opinions, you know, instead of just shouting down anyone who might have a more nuanced view.
 
Rumor is starting to circulate on the mediot channels that Ron is in the hot seat.
 
Theismann To HOF said:
You enjoy trying to overcomplicate simple issues. You just want to try to muddy the waters, instead of admitting the obvious -- there is no way in hell that Washington is winning 7 games this year with Wentz as the QB. They will be lucky to win 3 games.

Heinicke was able to win 7 games on a team with less offensive talent last season compared to this season. Heinicke was able to win 7 games on a team with a defense that played much worse at the beginning of last season than they have so far this year.

Heinicke is able to create plays with his feet by escaping sacks, extending plays and making things happen. He did it numerous times last year. You watch all of this film, but that simple concept of Heinicke extending plays and making good things happen seems to escape you.

You're trying to compare something that isn't comparable. This team cannot even compete with Wentz as QB. He has regressed dramatically, just like I predicted after the Jaguars game. We are not an NFL team again until his ass is on the bench.
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and you're oversimplifying. Like Boone just said, this isn't madden. Changing the QB rated 72 to a QB rated 74 doesn't necessarily bring up the 'overall' rating in simulation mode. There are countless things that go into an offensive and defensive scheme on game day. There's a reason the NFL is refered to as "The ultimate team sport" is because no one person can win a game, but at any time 1 person can lose a game. That 'CAN' be the QB... I get that, but it also can be the guy pulling the strings on offense.

You continue to jump up and down saying we'll never win with Wentz, but we've been a pretty inept offense with Heinicke. Yes, Heinicke is a little better suited to break the pocket than Wentz, but you're ignoring the other 2 levels of the defense he would be going up against. Wentz's ability to evade is there, and he's broken out at times turning a negative play into a positive one. Heinicke COULD do that, probably 'faster' but if Heinicke is at QB, the DBs and Safeties that are 30 yards down field allowing room for Wentz to run... aren't 30 yards down field. They dont need to respect Heinicke's arm. You see how well Heinicke escapes? Well so do defensive coordinators. They don't need to respect the deep ball, so now you're looking at a stacked box with a QB spy, which they can also do WHILE blitzing because you can run a zone shell behind them to take away the weapons... daring us to try and throw the ball more than 30 yards down field...

It's not as easy as "well heinicke would have done 'x' on that play' because the defense would not have been playing the same way. Heinicke also DID extend one of the plays i referred to and threw a yolo ball to Terry and got him knocked out. Being able to escape doesn't mean anything if you don't do anything with it. You reference Theismann To HOF as your name, but you don't grasp how he even got to a level that lets you make that argument. When he was QB, we had one of the GREATEST coaches in the history of the NFL at the helm. Gibbs was scheming and playcalling games in week 3 to set up the defense he was going to see in week 7. He was one of the best in history to be able to get the best out of his players, we saw it happen when he changed from an Air Coryell offense to a power run / play action heavy system. Through 1980, Theismann never competed more than 60% of his passes, threw for more than 3000 yards, or averaged more than 200 YPG... 1974 - 1977 he actually averaged less than 100 YPG. After Gibbs came in... in the 6 seasons he played for him, he eclipsed 3000 yards 3 times (1 season was the strike season, another he got his leg snapped in half), averaged more than 200 yards 4 out of 6 years, and also improved his INT%.

Coaching matters. Gibbs system was simple in terms of its base, but it was ingenious because opposing defense couldn't figure it out.

You say overcomplicate... I just don't think it's 'that simple'
 
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Theismann To HOF said:
You enjoy trying to overcomplicate simple issues. You just want to try to muddy the waters, instead of admitting the obvious -- there is no way in hell that Washington is winning 7 games this year with Wentz as the QB. They will be lucky to win 3 games.

Heinicke was able to win 7 games on a team with less offensive talent last season compared to this season. Heinicke was able to win 7 games on a team with a defense that played much worse at the beginning of last season than they have so far this year.

Heinicke is able to create plays with his feet by escaping sacks, extending plays and making things happen. He did it numerous times last year. You watch all of this film, but that simple concept of Heinicke extending plays and making good things happen seems to escape you.

You're trying to compare something that isn't comparable. This team cannot even compete with Wentz as QB. He has regressed dramatically, just like I predicted after the Jaguars game. We are not an NFL team again until his ass is on the bench.
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I love your enthusiasm but so far all you have provided in any post is opinion while ST has obviously gone and done his homework so that he can support his opinion with real information from on-field situations. Until you do that, you are just talking.

Yes, Heinicke did all those things but not exactly like you seem to remember. He got bailed out a number of times by great individual efforts on the part of his teammates.

I think the offensive talent comment is a wash at best. Our line has obviously regressed while our WR corp has gotten stronger. The RBs are the same so far but I'm not seeing the same Thomas as before the injury yet, which makes this a net negative.

The defense is playing situationally better but still giving up the same big plays we gave up last year and teams are averaging nearly 27 points a game against us. That isn't good defense no matter how you cut it.

And your refusal to see that play calling impacts performance is astounding. For the record, this isn't something new ST has jumped on to defend Wentz either. He did the same last year with Heinicke.
 
I'm actually enjoying the back and forth. I do think Wentz is not what he said he was, and it shows.

But, not convinced heinicke is either. We also paid way too much for Wentz to just shelf him.
 
Wentz has, save 3-4 quarters, been BAD. The irony is, I think we all love Heinicke. If they’d decided to ride with him for awhile I would’ve been okay with it. But he’s got his own issues, and pretending he doesn’t is kind of tiresome. They may prove to be fools but the things Wentz struggles with the coaches likely believe they can address with coaching. Heinicke’s imho are more problematic because they are physical limitations no amount of coaching can impact.
 
If we can't win with two different styles of QB....we need to look at the play caller.
 
MikefromOH said:
If we can't win with two different styles of QB....we need to look at the play caller.
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Well that and the guy who built the Oline.

I'll never understand how a franchise,who's greatest success came when they had a dominant Oline for over a decade,stray from that blueprint.

Look at the Eagles success. What's the common denominator? They are strong up front. Yes,their Oline has some older pieces but it's a great unit.
 
Honestly, DP, I never thought OL would be an issue this year.

Yes, we let a couple of pieces go in Flowers and Scherff but we replaced Flowers with Norwell who has All-Pro creds and Scherff missed multiple games last year where Schweitzer stepped in without missing a beat. Add to that Matsoko's history of coaching up guys who were out of the league to play well within the framework of the unit (see last season where we went 4 deep at Center) and the OL appeared to be a strength of this organization.
 
Neophyte said:
Honestly, DP, I never thought OL would be an issue this year.

Yes, we let a couple of pieces go in Flowers and Scherff but we replaced Flowers with Norwell who has All-Pro creds and Scherff missed multiple games last year where Schweitzer stepped in without missing a beat. Add to that Matsoko's history of coaching up guys who were out of the league to play well within the framework of the unit (see last season where we went 4 deep at Center) and the OL appeared to be a strength of this organization.
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Oh I was leary of the unit. This club recently seems to rely on retreads or fringe udfas that they believe they can coach up.
I mean Trai Turner hasn't played well for the last two years and was part of a Steelers Oline that rated bottom of the league last year but Ron knows him,bring him on in.
He's a turnstile in pass pro. Scott wants to pass more than run. Just a bad fit.
There's better ways to go cheaper....draft some guys in rounds 4,5,6. Find the Oline gems there and build a young solid unit that isn't injured half the time.
 
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