Burner's Burning Questions: Free Agency, The Mock Drafts, 2017 (Continual Updates)

[SkinnedAussie]

For someone well out of the loop, and extremely geographically challenged, what is the problem with Breeland? Just reading the camp reports tells me he is on the outer. Why? Is it because he has reached a plateau with his play, is it that he doesn't like being beaten or is it something else?

 

[Docsandy]

It's not just Allen and Gibbs...it's anything Redskins that gets disrespected.

Hell, a few years back, they did a very long overdue piece on Sonny,imo,only because he hit 80 and they probably thought he wouldn't be around much longer. Same with Gibbs now, imo.

Hell, you got Pete Prisco running around saying Tony Boselli needs to be the next Olineman inducted into the HOF because he was better than Joe Jacoby. That Jacoby was moved to RT because he couldn't play LT.

The Redskins were perennial contenders all through the decade of the 80's and when great coaches are discussed(nationally) Gibbs is never mentioned, even though he won three SBs with three different QBs and RBs.

Walsh couldn't do that. Noll and Belichick haven't done it either.

Sorry for the rant...one of my peeves.......

Amen to that!

 

[Fear The Spear]

For someone well out of the loop, and extremely geographically challenged, what is the problem with Breeland? Just reading the camp reports tells me he is on the outer. Why? Is it because he has reached a plateau with his play, is it that he doesn't like being beaten or is it something else?

This is the story that I've heard and it may be speculation, but there is a lot of coincidences to the story, to lend it credence.
Ever since the Skins signed Josh Norman, supposedly it got under Bree's skin (no pun intended). He apparently got offended by bringing in a #1 corner, and has had an attitude issue ever since.
And here's the coincidence, Breeland's performance on the field has paralleled with, and started at the same time Norman came in / and the time his attitude changed, and both his performance and attitude has gone downhill ever since.

 

[Boone]

I agree with ya on all that DP44.

I've always been a little curious if it MAY have something to do with the team's location. Basically in the back of everyone's minds could it be many of the writers & voters relate the team to D.C. politics & such?

2 of the 3 Super Bowl wins came in strike shortened seasons. That matters - if only a little. Sure, you can argue that this only speaks to Gibbs ability to keep a team together and win regardless of cast, but I think from a pure football point of view, it does slightly tarnish the accomplishment. Had Gibbs been able to get there again in Gibbs II, he'd be talked about right up there with Lombardi, Knoll, and others... The other factor is that for as much success as he had, Gibbs was always low key, never made his success about himself, never did anything 'controversial', and diverted credit to others. He was the Art Monk of coaches. I hate that this kind of stuff matters, but it does.

 

[Boone]

I think it's pretty clear that Breeland is a bit of a head case. It's true that initially he didn't respond very well to the Norman signing, but I think that's understandable to a point, especially given he's still a young player. Guy just strikes me as being somewhat immature. I don't know if he's just not all that bright, or only comes across that way, but he doesn't seem to be very savvy when it comes to how he is going to come across when communicating (particularly on social media). I'm not saying he's a bad guy in any way, but he definitely isn't very polished. He seems to be the kind of kid who needs a strong mentor. Maybe that's the reason they have kept DHall on the roster for so long - I don't know. I think his future depends on how he responds to his new defensive coaches and how he and Gruden get along as much as anything.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

Tuesday Notes

ESPN analyst Trevor Matich projects Samaje Perine as a top five rookie (both offense and defense) in the NFL for 2017.

Phil Taylor is at the top of the depth chart at DT, but that doesn't mean he will be the starter or make the roster. However, it could be a good sign of things to come.

Jeremy Sprinkle makes small strides each day at tight end and has likely passed Derek Carrier on the depth chart.

Several Redskins players got a ride this morning around Richmond International Raceway courtesy of NASCAR icon Dale Earnhardt, Jr. Those who got to experience the speed and power were Josh Norman, Ryan Kerrigan, Will Compton, Morgan Moses, and Kirk Cousins.

Yes, the Redskins had the morning off and it was back to practice in the afternoon. Tomorrow will be a walk through only with the game coming Thursday night.

With Jamison Crowder still sidelined, Kendall Fuller has taken over punt return duties for now.

After taking Redskins players for rides at Richmond International Raceway this morning, Dale Earnhardt, Jr. decided to head over to Bon Secours and catch afternoon practice.

Not playing Thursday night will be Jamison Crowder, Josh Doctson, Kendal Thompson, Montae Nicholson, Fabian Moreau, and Jordan Reed.

The afternoon practice was light and there is no other news. We'll post notes on Friday after the game and have additional thoughts at that time.

 

[Fear The Spear]

This seems to be a recurring thing

https://www.washingtonpost.com/expr...career-wont-last-long/?utm_term=.09681bb5a269

 

[Win4us]

2 of the 3 Super Bowl wins came in strike shortened seasons. That matters - if only a little. Sure, you can argue that this only speaks to Gibbs ability to keep a team together and win regardless of cast, but I think from a pure football point of view, it does slightly tarnish the accomplishment. Had Gibbs been able to get there again in Gibbs II, he'd be talked about right up there with Lombardi, Knoll, and others... The other factor is that for as much success as he had, Gibbs was always low key, never made his success about himself, never did anything 'controversial', and diverted credit to others. He was the Art Monk of coaches. I hate that this kind of stuff matters, but it does.

Nah I agree & see that the strike years definitely have to weigh in there. For us skins fans there's no one else that can compare to JG, especially from bringing the club hardware.

I also see DP44's points as well that as good as the teams were under Joe the "media" never really gives us our proper tribute. Hell we probably get more snubs than any 2 teams combined.

It shouldn't but it bothers me teams like the Jones owned turds gets media love EVERY season, yet they've been shitting the bed for almost as long as we have.

 

[DieselPwr44]

2 of the 3 Super Bowl wins came in strike shortened seasons. That matters - if only a little. Sure, you can argue that this only speaks to Gibbs ability to keep a team together and win regardless of cast, but I think from a pure football point of view, it does slightly tarnish the accomplishment. Had Gibbs been able to get there again in Gibbs II, he'd be talked about right up there with Lombardi, Knoll, and others... The other factor is that for as much success as he had, Gibbs was always low key, never made his success about himself, never did anything 'controversial', and diverted credit to others. He was the Art Monk of coaches. I hate that this kind of stuff matters, but it does.

Let me ask you this: If the Cowboys,Steelers or 49ers had won SuperBowls in those two strike years, you think the national media would've branded them as tarnished?

 

[Boone]

Let me ask you this: If the Cowboys,Steelers or 49ers had won SuperBowls in those two strike years, you think the national media would've branded them as tarnished?

Maybe not. But it's also true that all of those teams have won 2 or 3 more Super Bowls than have the Redskins. And 'tarnished' is your word, not mine. I'm suggesting that most view a Super Bowl won in a season where you faced a legitimate NFL team every week as more valid than one won during a strike-shortened season.

 

[Boone]

Nah I agree & see that the strike years definitely have to weigh in there. For us skins fans there's no one else that can compare to JG, especially from bringing the club hardware.

I also see DP44's points as well that as good as the teams were under Joe the "media" never really gives us our proper tribute. Hell we probably get more snubs than any 2 teams combined.

It shouldn't but it bothers me teams like the Jones owned turds gets media love EVERY season, yet they've been shitting the bed for almost as long as we have.

Is that really true though? We got a ton of attention during the 80's and early 90's - a ton. We only started getting less attention (or more negative attention) when the team started sucking and Daniel Snyder was the owner. I don't think that's coincidental.

 

[Elephant]

To further the Breeland discussion, I think his confidence was shot when Antonio Brown torched him for 3 TD's in the season opener last year. Worst part, all 3 TD's were either perfect throws with amazing catches or one a lucky ****ing bounce off the helmet of the defender. He never recovered, and he actually played Brown just about as well as one could...just unlucky.

 

[DieselPwr44]

Maybe not. But it's also true that all of those teams have won 2 or 3 more Super Bowls than have the Redskins. And 'tarnished' is your word, not mine. I'm suggesting that most view a Super Bowl won in a season where you faced a legitimate NFL team every week as more valid than one won during a strike-shortened season.

I think from a pure football point of view, it does slightly tarnish the accomplishment.

Those trophies are not tarnished, just the opinions of the sports writers that suggest they are.

The whole league was on strike,including the Redskins. Gibbs stature should be elevated for the way he handled things that other "greats" (Landry,Walsh etc) couldn't seem to grasp.

 

[DieselPwr44]

Is that really true though? We got a ton of attention during the 80's and early 90's - a ton. We only started getting less attention (or more negative attention) when the team started sucking and Daniel Snyder was the owner. I don't think that's coincidental.

We were more like a throw away line. I distinctly remember Summerall and Madden doing a season preview where they went over Super Bowl contenders and never mentioned us until the last minute of the show with Madden saying something like "Oh yeah, don't forget about the Redskins,they're always hanging around in December."

There is a reason why we had the nickname "The Rodney Dangerfield Gang" all through that decade.....

 

[Boone]

We got plenty of attention, love, and respect back then. If we starting winning Super Bowls we'll get it again - even Daniel Snyder. Just my opinion. We may have gotten less because we won with a lot of 'no names' vs. a team full of stars. The brash, controversial, and loud are always going to get more of the spotlight - that's just the nature of media and celebrity. My basic point is, we don't deserve any special respect from current writers/media types until we accomplish something beyond what happened 30 years ago.

 

[DieselPwr44]

We got plenty of attention, love, and respect back then. If we starting winning Super Bowls we'll get it again - even Daniel Snyder. Just my opinion. We may have gotten less because we won with a lot of 'no names' vs. a team full of stars. The brash, controversial, and loud are always going to get more of the spotlight - that's just the nature of media and celebrity. My basic point is, we don't deserve any special respect from current writers/media types until we accomplish something beyond what happened 30 years ago.

I agree with the bolded statement.

Today's Redskins deserve nothing until they prove it on the field.

My point is Joe Gibbs' first tenure here has been severely underestimated/disrespected whenever it comes to today's National media. Even Gibbs pointed this out a few years ago saying something to the effect of "We went to four Superbowls in a ten year period and no one talks about that."

When great coaches,teams or players are discussed on TV or Radio, they never even get a mention.

 

[Boone]

I agree with the bolded statement.

Today's Redskins deserve nothing until they prove it on the field.

My point is Joe Gibbs' first tenure here has been severely underestimated/disrespected whenever it comes to today's National media. Even Gibbs pointed this out a few years ago saying something to the effect of "We went to four Superbowls in a ten year period and no one talks about that."

When great coaches,teams or players are discussed on TV or Radio, they never even get a mention.

We find common ground here.

 

[Docsandy]

The whole league was on strike,including the Redskins. Gibbs stature should be elevated for the way he handled things that other "greats" (Landry,Walsh etc) couldn't seem to grasp.

Been my point for years. THe year of the "strike games" Gibbs is the ONLY coach (to my memory) that told his players "stay out as a team or come back as a team". By the time we played Dallas with our replacements, they had several starters that had crossed the picket line. Not one Redskin did.

 

[Fear The Spear]

Junior hasn't gotten paid in 2 years, really ?
I thought you still get paid, when you're on IR ?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haven't seen a check in 2 yrs tho����*♂️ <a href="https://t.co/LGqmZQjKyy">https://t.co/LGqmZQjKyy</a></p>— Junior Galette (@JovaisG) <a href="https://twitter.com/JovaisG/status/895661152503554048">August 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/JovaisG">@JovaisG</a> is hurt again man seems like this man is the best player in the league at cashing checks for doing absolutely nothing</p>— Andrew Williams (@THEREALTADDDDDD) <a href="https://twitter.com/THEREALTADDDDDD/status/895659988525436928">August 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Burgundy Burner]

Friday Notes

Trent Murphy's injury will sideline him for all of 2017. He will be a free agent in 2018 unless the Redskins put a second round tender on him. That is not likely and he has probably played his last down as a Redskin.

Better news for Su'a Cravens. He will be out two to three weeks. Don't expect him to return to any action in the preseason.

It was obvious that the team was experiencing 2016 hangover last night. How they played was reminiscent of the last few games in 2016 and how they have looked in camp thus far. BBQ now sees this as a significant issue.

Colt McCoy struggled mightily. He looked more like a newly minted UDFA who is not even considered practice squad ready.

Samaje Perine needs to learn the art of blocking blitzers or his stay in the NFL will be a short one.

Bill Callahan can't be happy with the way his units played on the offensive line. Look for longer practices and rigorous instruction immediately.

Nico Marley played very well, but keep in mind that it was against second and third units. He could have a place on the practice squad and nothing more.

Would it be surprising if Ryan Anderson becomes a starter over Preston Smith sooner rather than later?

Zach Brown had a very good game and could supplant Mason Foster as a starter.

The team had the day off today and will resume camp tomorrow. Training camp will come to an end on Sunday at mid day. Practices will then take place at Redskins Park starting on Monday.

Week two of preseason is when the starters typically play the most snaps.

Jonathan Allen had a superb game in limited duty. This could be a preview of good things to come.

Before Thursday's game, Kirk Cousins came through the tunnel singing Whitney Houston's "I Wanna Dance With Somebody." The Ravens had other ideas.

Players who impressed on Thursday night and had their stocks rise: Jonathan Allen, Phil Taylor, Josh Harvey-Clemons, Brian Quick, Zach Brown, Ryan Anderson.

Players who disappointed on Thursday night and had their stocks sink: Colt McCoy, Matt Hazel, Samaje Perine, Lynden Trail.

The first game back for Ezekiel Elliott after his six game suspension will be against the Redskins.