The Gruden Files - Year Two

Redskins offseasons are no longer interesting.

In fact, they've become more like the movie Groundhog Day.

Season comes to a grinding halt, everyone has their pitchforks out and the bonfires lit.

If the fans get their wish, the whole coaching staff is fired and a new search begins.

New guy is hired,then the fanbase complains about the staff he assembles.

New guy struggles with poor roster and then the whispers start...."he's not really that good. Look at that resume, how did he even get considered? Bet this was all Dan's idea,that bastard!

Coach gets a second year because the fans begrugingly come to the conclusion that no one would coach here if they knew they only get one year to take an expansion roster to the playoffs.

Halfway point of second season it's "Off with his head" even though almost half the roster is on either IR or Inactive list due to injury.

Doesn't matter that 3/5ths of the Oline is missing and both starting corners are out, we should be 5-1 right now even though Ty Nysekhe and Josh LeRibeus are starting.

"Where did the run game go? It sucks!" Yeah, no kidding! Let's see you run behind the McRib and Nysekhe...

So Gruden's fired at the end of the season and this January, Redskins fans will promise that they'll have the patience to sit through another season while something is built...."Honest Injun! We really mean it this time!"

And fans wonder why we have no stability here and why we never seem to build any kind of system that helps the GM and front office identify talent that fits?

Can you hear it? Listen closely....

Babe...I got you Babe......

1) run game

- was deteriorating with the starters

- was entirely predictable: if the strategy is predicated on a short passing game because you don't trust the QB and you have only one bona fide long receiving threat who is injured half the time...it's rather obvious what defensive coordinators need to gameplan

- which leads to a thought that is hard to prove but acceptable to me: the coaching staff can't innovatively adapt. they are wedded to a philosophy (like Gruden is to a certain QB formula) and this is what they will stick to win, lose or draw. not, in my book, a good prescription when they come up against coaching staffs who are creative and flexible

2) You're working on an unproven assumption - that players and coaches should be allotted 3-5 years to learn, grow, prove themselves...whatever.

- the business model doesn't support that

- there is stark evidence that bad teams can turn fortunes around inside half that window

- where is the metric for progress? if one is going to buy into that philosophy, then one should at least present some standard that functions as a feedback loop for assessing whether interim objectives that align with long-term goals are actually being met. "I don't know. We'll have to check the tape."

3) One can establish sets of criteria for assessing an individual and performance. The former can scope the potential for the latter. Some of the former are innate and unchangeable. Couple that to performance and you can have a pretty good picture early on in the process. happens in just about every workplace that I have ever been exposed to. yes, people can be nurtured and grown. what's the statute of limitations on "growth"? on this board it seems that it's one game - for both sides of the fence. one good game for Kirk and he's the guy, Gruden can really call a great game. one jets game and Kirk has no future as a starter and Gruden can't coach a team through 4 full quarters. It's not that you might be right or wrong - it's that there is no standard for making a decision. "Wait and see what happens" isn't good enough for many of us. in most of our daily lives, when we see something is off course, we step in and make corrections.
 
Having a Brady or Rodgers fall into your lap cures almost all ills ... or that the very least makes you competitive, which then allows you to steady a rocking ship and build around them to try to reach the top.

Problem is, getting one of those guys is like hitting the lottery--a life-changing event. As we all learn at some point, though, planning on hitting the lottery isn't a very sound investment/career strategy. You'd better be taking care of business and building a decent foundation for your life WHILE playing the lottery and hoping to skip the hard work part and get right to the High Life.

Same principle should apply in the NFL. HOPE to win the lottery--buy your tickets--but also take the necessary steps to build a solid foundation of a sound personnel office, competent coaching, and at least starting NFL-caliber QBing. Do that and you should be in playoff contention most years, where once there you hope to catch a wave from time to time and ride health and a hot streak to a title.

We've been whiffing on both counts for a very long time. We're the guy living on the edge of bankruptcy year in and year out, not really taking any steps to do anything about it other than buying Powerball tickets, wondering where HIS 80-inch 4K TV, Ferrari and beach house are and why life is so damn unfair.

It LOOKS like we might have finally figured it out, and maybe taking some night classes and working toward a degree, and joining a gym, and maybe starting to build a foundation, but it's way to early in the process to be comfortable that's the new normal around here.
 
Well you can do it the other way around. Build a stable organisation and win with it regardless of QB.

We did it in the Gibbs years with Williams and Rypien. The stability was provided by other aspects of the team from the coaching down. Sometimes I wonder what we'd have achieved through those years if we'd had a truly star QB. could you imagine if Gibbs had had a Montana or a Marino or an Elway...

Anyhow. I know Gruden ain't Gibbs and I don't think we're going to get a coach of that caliber walking through those doors anytime soon, but I'm tired of the carousel across the whole organisation. Unless Gruden loses the locker room a la Shannahan, I'd like to stick out this current course and trust that McLoughlin will come good and deliver us some stability across the player base and cross my fingers and hope we find a QB worthy of the team we build.

And I think we're heading in that direction.

I'm wondering how much of Gruden's stubborn support of Cousins is coming from someone like McLoughlin saying "We gotta stop sinking our own ship here! Stay the course!"
 
For some reason I had an issue posting and ended up with a duplicate....

Move along to the next post...

Nothing to see here!
 
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You can say that again. :)

And I think it's also what I was saying ... only without all the extra words.
 
Fixed! But I can repeat again if you'd like? LOL

And yeah I am in agreement with you Om :D
 
Look, I agree that having a QB fall into your lap solves a lot of ills. That is certainly one way to go.

But this league is also full of teams lacking an elite QB that still manage to field solid teams, that had struggled in the wilderness for years until they found a coach, and then they no longer sucked.

The Cardinals, Chiefs, Eagles, 49ers ... this year the Jets. None of those teams had a Brady or Manning, but they all managed an almost immediate, dramatic change with the right coach. It does happen. I think at this point, twenty-two games in, we should be seeing something.

And twenty-two games in, we're still clinging to 'the lines look better when they're healthy' and 'some of the rookies are coming along'.

We would be seeing more with a good coach. I'm not saying Super Bowl. I'm not even saying winning record.

But more than this. Year two should be 7-9 wins at the very least. I don't think we're gonna make it.

We'll see.
 
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I didn't specifically mention Gruden my post before because I'm still trying to decide how much of a factor the injuries this team has been dealt has affected things so far. I would really like to see us field something resembling the starting team we came in with play together ... at least once?

We didn't even get TO the opener intact.

It's been a factor so far this year. How much of a factor is unknowable.

Where McCloughan stands on Jay is also unknowable at this point, but we do know he has 10 more games, with all the injuries and myriad of other "stuff" that will happen between now and the end of the year, to decide how much of a factor it's been, and whether or not Jay gets Year Three.
 
Look, I agree that having a QB fall into your lap solves a lot of ills. That is certainly one way to go.

But this league is also full of teams lacking an elite QB that still manage to field solid teams, that had struggled in the wilderness for years until they found a coach, and then they no longer sucked.

The Cardinals, Chiefs, Eagles, 49ers ... this year the Jets. None of those teams had a Brady or Manning, but they all managed an almost immediate, dramatic change with the right coach. It does happen. I think at this point, twenty-four games in, we should be seeing something.

And twenty-four games in, we're still clinging to 'the lines look better when they're healthy' and 'some of the rookies are coming along'.

We would be seeing more with a good coach. I'm not saying Super Bowl. I'm not even saying winning record.

But more than this. Year two should be 7-9 wins at the very least. I don't think we're gonna make it.

We'll see.

Hell, Bill O'Brien took a 2 win Texan team with a combo of Ryan Mallett/Ryan Fitzpatrick to 9 wins last season. Sure, the Texans D is better than ours (or at least was last year), but I'd say we probably have better offensive players than they do/did.

It's clear to me and was last year, that Gruden isn't the answer here. Can someone point to anything that shows he's been a good coach here? Out of the 22 games we've seen from him, I'd say he has coached a good game in maybe a handful of them. Definitely the Dallas game last year and the St Louis game this year. But this team just looks out coached every game. Especially in the 2nd halves of games when teams make adjustments. We've been outscored 46-3 this year so far coming out of the half. How is that possible? Especially when we've been ahead at the half in 5 of the 6 games we've played. Just terrible coaching.
 
Dan Quinn has also done pretty well. Granted he did inherit a pretty good qb.
 
11 guys on offense - we've lost 6 starters - SIX!!! No. Not every team 'has them' - not to that extent. We played last week without Niles Paul, without Desean Jackson, without Jordan Reed, and without 3 OL starters. You think that's typical? Give me another NFL offense who has lost 6 starters many of who for the year (or indefinitely)?
 
Please, stop with the injuries. All teams have them, often to key players. The pukes, for example.

Your sounding like Gruden.

Good coaches get their teams to win, no matter the circumstances.
Life would be so much easier lived in that simple a world.
 
Hell, Bill O'Brien took a 2 win Texan team with a combo of Ryan Mallett/Ryan Fitzpatrick to 9 wins last season. Sure, the Texans D is better than ours (or at least was last year), but I'd say we probably have better offensive players than they do/did.

I don't mean to sound snippy but I will point out, however, that O'Brien's resume includes a four-year stint with New England including becoming QB coach and then OC after Josh McDaniels left.


A bit more of a solid indicator of potential success as a NFL HC candidate than arena football success, I would think.
 
There are 53 guys on the roster. These are elite players. They attend all the meetings. In fact, some of these young guys have looked better than the starters.

No, when you buy into the injuries as an excuse, as the head coach has done, you're destined to lose.

Gruden didn't have to remind anyone about the injuries. I don't think I've heard a line like that from another head coach ever.

I posted in another thread, but look at the Steelers this year. Ben's been out, Bell was suspended 2 games, Bryant suspended 4 games, Pouncey is out for the year, Shazier has missed time, 2 of their OL have been out, Vick got hurt last week, they've had 2 kickers get hurt, they're on their 3rd QB of the season and yet they're 4-2 and a missed FG away from being 5-1. They're 2-1 without Ben.

Yes, our injuries have sucked especially for a team like us that isn't deep. But teams can still find ways to win with injuries. And yes, with all the injuries, I didn't expect us to beat the Jets. But Cousins throwing the ball to the other team isn't about the injuries.
 
I don't mean to sound snippy but I will point out, however, that O'Brien's resume includes a four-year stint with New England including becoming QB coach and then OC after Josh McDaniels left.


A bit more of a solid indicator of potential success as a NFL HC candidate than arena football success, I would think.

Right, so that's just more ammo to get rid of Gruden.
 
We aren't the Steelers and we're a rebuilding team coming off a 4 win season with new coaches almost across the board. It's not the same thing brother.


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We aren't the Steelers and we're a rebuilding team coming off a 4 win season with new coaches almost across the board. It's not the same thing brother.


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Maybe it's a bit of a lofty comparison, but just pointing out that teams with a ton of injuries and missing key players, can still be good. Again, not trying to say this team has been bad, because there is plenty to have liked so far through the first 6 weeks. Our young crop of rookies seem to be playing pretty well and contributing. I think better coaching and QB play could go a long way for this team.
 
I don't mean to sound snippy but I will point out, however, that O'Brien's resume includes a four-year stint with New England including becoming QB coach and then OC after Josh McDaniels left.


A bit more of a solid indicator of potential success as a NFL HC candidate than arena football success, I would think.

Ouch. Lol
 
I posted in another thread, but look at the Steelers this year. Ben's been out, Bell was suspended 2 games, Bryant suspended 4 games, Pouncey is out for the year, Shazier has missed time, 2 of their OL have been out, Vick got hurt last week, they've had 2 kickers get hurt, they're on their 3rd QB of the season and yet they're 4-2 and a missed FG away from being 5-1. They're 2-1 without Ben.

Yes, our injuries have sucked especially for a team like us that isn't deep. But teams can still find ways to win with injuries. And yes, with all the injuries, I didn't expect us to beat the Jets. But Cousins throwing the ball to the other team isn't about the injuries.

I think the difference here comes down to how good the team is prior to the injuries.

The Steelers to a degree have been a stable team with a long history of success over the past. You have to go back to 2003 to see a record from them below 8-8. And in those 12 years they've had just 2 head coaches and 1 QB. Even when your star QB goes out, that kind of stability I think leads to a situation where it's easier to weather an injury disaster because the team is stable in a system and with personnel. The reserves step up and start systematically bailing water out of the boat to stop from sinking because they know where all the pumps are.

Teams that are bad, like the Skins, don't have that to fall back on. When we get injuries our staff and players are running around with bandaids trying to plug the holes as best they can while the boat goes down.
Cowboys are another case in point. They're a bad team. Apart from last years success, they've been 8-8 or worse since 2009. Romo and Bryant go down and they can't cope, the boat isn't stable enough to bear that loss.

Now look at the Packers historically. Has Matt Flynn been a good QB anywhere else? But when Rodgers went down he was enough to keep the boat afloat as he was comfortable in a steady system.
If Brady had been suspended at the start of the year I'd wager that the Patriots wouldn't have utterly collapsed without him. Their coaching and their schemes and their players are stable enough and confident enough to weather those kind of storms. Might not go undefeated, but they always come out the other side.

Our team is none of those things yet. We're not talented enough at the skill positions, we're not deep enough and we've not been stable for decades now. We're always a gust of wind away from capsizing and that's what these injuries are to us...

My opinion on all this is that injuries will always happen in the NFL, nature of the beast. But the ability to cope with those injuries shows the good teams from the bad in terms stability. Personally I don't think I've seen enough of Gruden to know whether he's good coach or bad coach really.

I think he inherited a crapfest from Shanahan, including a broken QB and a generally bad team... and Jim Haslett.
I don't think he was fully prepared at all for the amount of media scrutiny and pressure that the Redskins job comes with and struggled in year 1. He's better this year, but still whiffs now and then. (Must be the wind in the stadium)
I think he was hampered by the chain of command above him in Snyder and Allen.
I think he's very much a rookie head coach.

But... I think he's got promise myself. He's certainly not as bad as some we've had here. (Spurrier I'm looking at you!)

The team has made strides organizationally this year with the appointment of McLoughlin and the sidelining of Snyder and Allen (as much as possible). I like the coaching appointments. I think McVay is young but will grow in the roll. I really like Callaghan and what he's done with the line in only a few months. Barry has turned the defense around, may not be earth shattering as yet (and yes... injuries!) but does anyone remember Haslett's Defense through the first few games of last year? Words were bandied around like "HISTORICALLY" and "BAD".

We've actually looked competent this year and I think that's a huge step forwards for us. It's not sexy or exciting, we're not winning divisions or superbowls just yet... but then I never expected us to.

Just be better. And I think we are. I'm in for a long term rebuilding plan. Why? Because for the first time in years (Decades in fact) I actually feel like we're doing things the right way. No quick fix, just careful hard work and good sound strategic drafting and planning. No big free agent splashes on players past their best, no quick fix coach hires, no flashy First round draft picks come to be the saviour of the franchise. I like this way better so far and the fact that we actually look competent for the most part over the first stretch of the season gives me a good feeling, despite the losses.

I honestly felt so far this year like we've had a chance in every game. Shoulda beaten Miami. Definitely could have beaten Atlanta. Even the Jets game I was feeling good after the first half. This team just doesn't feel like a disaster to me. IT's not a great team, but to be honest I've been pretty proud of the way they've fought and been in most of these games to the end, and the fact that it isn't parties and smiles after a loss.

I'm happy to let Gruden have the reins for a while yet, definitely beyond the year and just see what this team can do if it grows together with some stability. Let Gruden learn how to be a good headcoach. Let McLoughlin try and put the pieces in place. Give Barry a chance with this defense and maybe some new personnel after the season and maybe Junior Gallete. Give Callaghan another off season with this offensive line and these young players.

Damn I'm optimistic sometimes! LOL

And damn I do ramble.....

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