We Need A Bunch Of Starters. So Who Do We Trade?

Well, I'm hearing Jim Harbaugh might get the 9er's 2 thirds in a trade.

Based on that, we could get a 7th in the 2016 draft for Gruden. :)
 
What you have heard about Redd jibes with what I was hearing around Redskins Park towards the end of the season. They like the way he plays and he’s almost certain to find an expanded role available to him in 2015.

Look at the negotiations between DeMarco Murray and the Cowboys now if you want a glimpse of what that future looks like.

http://realredskins.com/2015/01/31/...ris-sign-a-second-contract-with-the-redskins/
 
Morris won't even try to command Murray money. That's just some reporter throwing out numbers and hoping people buy that they are all relative. No 2 contract negotiations are the same.
 
I love Morris's mentality and toughness. Sadly, the franchise-carrying RB days are over, imo. Teams just cannot afford to tie up a large portion of their salary cap on the RB position. I love Alfred, and hope he stays, but if he wants too much money, let some other team give it to him.
 
Not that he absolutely won't get a team that throws money at him, but the salary cap applies to all teams Goal. I think you're right that teams no longer view the RB position as the crucial marquee position it once was is correct. That, and the fact that most folks outside of Skins fans view Morris as a capable durable back, but not a game changer works against him. As a result of all that, I don't see him getting blockbuster offers from other teams. And I think the Redskins will want to keep him around for one more contract.
 
We're also talking about the guy who drives the same 626 he's always had. Perspective helps here as well. He doesn't seem greedy or big headed.
 
The title of the post sort of answers its own question.

We need a bunch of starters, so there are few if any players we have that are of significant trade value and those we do have are too important to keep such as Trent Williams, Ryan Kerrigan, etc.

What would speed up the process here is if the new coaching staff can work with players like Jordan Reed, David Amerson, Chris Baker, Will Compton, Jarvis Jenkins, Spencer Long, etc. to improve the team from within by buckling down and working hard in the offseason and camp.

Too many players here in the past seemingly don't make that jump from promising performances in one year to emergence as a regular performer the following season.

You can count David Amerson in that group comparing 2014 with 2013.

You can count Jordan Reed in that category almost from the get-go. At 234 pounds Reed needs to gain size and strength to prosper in the NFL as a full-time TE. He can be an effective slot guy at 234 but needs to be 10 pounds heavier and stronger to help the team in the run game, and perhaps stay healthier as well as a result.

How about Chris Baker? The team has jerked Baker around from being a DE in the 3-4 to then being a Nose Tackle to then being a 4-3 DT in some alignments. How about picking the best position for HIM and letting injuries and poor play by others on the line be plugged by other personnel, even if imperfectly.

Jenkins admitted he needs to work on his rush skills. He is in Year 3 of his contract. You mean this is the first time anyone has recognized this?

The coaches say he has the athleticism to have some ability on the rush, so how come they haven't gotten more out of him to date?
 
Boone said:
Not that he absolutely won't get a team that throws money at him, but the salary cap applies to all teams Goal. I think you're right that teams no longer view the RB position as the crucial marquee position it once was is correct. That, and the fact that most folks outside of Skins fans view Morris as a capable durable back, but not a game changer works against him. As a result of all that, I don't see him getting blockbuster offers from other teams. And I think the Redskins will want to keep him around for one more contract.
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You may be right. But I think a lot of it depends on who else is a FA out there at the time. You telling me a guy like Alfred wouldn't substantially help the Colts? Give Luck a little relief now and then and force D's to honor the run game instead of laughing at Trent Richardson. You know how teams get, the closer they are the Super Bowl (be it in their minds or not), the more likely they are to pay a lot for the guy they see as the answer to their problems.

I hope to hell he stays here, and if we slightly overpay (whatever that means), I won't be mad. If he wants crazy stupid money, I think we move on.
 
Yeah I can't see the team keeping Hall, especially for that price. Unless of course he's willing to restructure and play FS. If he could give us say 2 years there at a reasonable price that'd work.
 
we have been running more 4-3 looks but when you put a LB at DT, its not really a 4-3, what we need is a coach who understands 4-3 concepts as well as how to get pressure creatively. right now we run a lot of 3-4 concepts without the right players in the right spots. remember just because it looks like 4 downlinemen doesnt mean its a 4-3 defence
 
we have nobody who has huge value to trade that would get us more in a trade than they are worth. no herschel walker type all pro RB, morris is solid but nobody will ever give up multiple picks for a running back again. we need to keep guys until we can replace them with something better
 
Andre Roberts to me is right there with Jason Hatcher as a player whose salaries for 2015 the entire organization is coming to regret. Roberts bombed as a returner, and he showed so-so hands as a receiver.

I think these two players are examples of what the critics have indicated prior to the hiring of the new GM, namely that the Redskins go into free agency to fill holes that most clubs fill in the draft.

Neither Roberts nor Hatcher (at 32) were guys that were going to change the fortunes of the club here. There were too many holes in other places.

The fact both players were busts, Hatcher because of age and injury and Roberts because of performance, only lends credence to this point of view.
 
1999, Ditka for Ricky Williams, one of our 'recent' chances to fill the bucket.... the same year Snyder showed up, don't know if there would have been much difference if the Casserly group was around a bit longer but we can all fantasize.

The Saints traded away 8 picks, including two 1st rounders, to the Washington Redskins so they could move up from their own #12 spot in the draft to the #5 spot
The Redskins packaged up those picks and traded away the 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks in 1999 along with their own 3rd round pick in 2000 to the Bears so they could move up in the 1999 draft and take Champ Bailey. They also traded the 6th and 7th round 1999 picks from the Saints to the Broncos so they could move up in 1999 and draft Derek Smith. They held on to the Saints 1st and 3rd round picks for 2000 and drafted LaVar Arrington and Lloyd Harrison.
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Champ, Samuels, Arrington... any one else 'notable' to come out of all of those dealings?
 
unfortunately, in order to look at Casserly with other than rose-colored glasses you have to go back just a year or two earlier to see where Charlie traded #1 and #3 picks to the Bengals for Dan Wilkinson and signed Dana Stubblefield to a $36M contract in free agency, which at the time was the biggest contract for a DT.

you can add in that the team selected Tom Carter, Heath Shuler, Michael Westbrook, Andre Johnson, Kenard Lang, and Stephen Alexander with their first picks from 1993-1998.

that's a whole lot of swings and misses.
 
Yeah, didn't mean to insinuate that the Casserly era was Camelot or anything but his leaving led to Vinny being on the job..... there's the rose tint if one needs it.

The misfortune of the path taken is probably in how to handle cap and FA.... trying to fill out a team with 'proven' players rather than the risk in drafting unkowns.

There was a trend from Allen through Gibbs not to put trust in rookies or young players unless they were top shelf coachable talent so established vets were on the shopping list trying to get back to filling holes and staying at a high level.
 
And if you look at it, the Ricky Williams trade was a bust with us, too. What did we win with Arrington and Samuels other than a playoff game?
 
No doubt, a ton of draft picks thrown on the table with little to nothing in return.

FO missed opportunities abound, prior to and continuing through the Snyder era.
 
TomE said:
No doubt, a ton of draft picks thrown on the table with little to nothing in return.

FO missed opportunities abound, prior to and continuing through the Snyder era.
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Yes, the recent suckitude coincided with the start of the salary cap era. Bethard and Gibbs feasted on building depth, but the salary cap era made your draft picks have to be homeruns since the ability to stockpile quality depth was greatly reduced. The Redskins have had too many swings and misses since then.
 
When did the salary cap start?

After all of this great moves by beathard and gibbs?
 
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