Clinton Portis: Redskins release coming today

This team just has too many holes, big ones, to use either their 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB and I think that is what it will take to better the talent and effort of Portis, even at 30 years of age.

I also think this is going to be a short season which might be perfect for Portis right now.

I think the hardest aspect, by far, is finding a RB with blocking ability even close to CP's. That's going to be tough to replace, IMO. All in all, I pretty much saw this coming-he's taken quite a beating because of his running style and the Skins OL problems-RBs have a limited shelf-live as it is.
 
Nope, didn't say that. But Torain has a history of injury. This was his third year and he has yet to play 16 games in one of them. Williams was OK but not an upgrade over even an injured Portis, much less a healthy one. There would be plenty of touches for the 3 of them.

This team just has too many holes, big ones, to use either their 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB and I think that is what it will take to better the talent and effort of Portis, even at 30 years of age.

I also think this is going to be a short season which might be perfect for Portis right now.

Having computer problems tonight, which kept me from replying sooner. Boone basically said what I would have. I'd be fairly pissed if we drafted a running back this season. We can get by at RB and QB for another season with the players that are already accustomed to the system we're running. It would be the cart in front of the horse to draft a a running back or QB IMO. With all the holes to fill, I wouldn't use a single one on a skill player this year. I'm fairly confident we all pretty much agree it starts with the lines, and with solid lines, the job of every other man on the field is that much easier. The season after this is the one where we could transition to a new signal caller, and the addition of a premier running back.
 
Pretty much agree MM, with one exception. If our scouting department and FO has determined through their research and due diligence that someone is a franchise QB, we take him. I say go with the definite thing if they determine something is definite. However, they better not miss, and that would be a fairly spectacular miss. Not sure I have enough faith in our FO to make that determination, which is why I want line help as well. Seems safer to me.
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Pretty much agree MM, with one exception. If our scouting department and FO has determined through their research and due diligence that someone is a franchise QB, we take him. I say go with the definite thing if they determine something is definite. However, they better not miss, and that would be a fairly spectacular miss. Not sure I have enough faith in our FO to make that determination, which is why I want line help as well. Seems safer to me.
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Exactly... Is there such a thing as a "definite." The draft is truly a double edged sword.
 
The way everyone seemed to be drooling over Luck struck me as pretty definite. To those people, anyway. If our FO feels that way about any of the QB prospects, I would expect them to make a play for him. I would also expect them to suffer my wrath through the Interwebz if they are wrong. :)
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Yeah, Carter will get snatched up quickly - well, if there were a CBA in place he'd get snatched up quickly. Without a CBA...not so sure.
I don't think he needs the CBA. He's a unrestricted free agent, free to sign with anyone, anytime. I look for him to be snatched up pretty quick. I just hope we don't have to see him twice a year.
 
Nope, didn't say that. But Torain has a history of injury. This was his third year and he has yet to play 16 games in one of them. Williams was OK but not an upgrade over even an injured Portis, much less a healthy one. There would be plenty of touches for the 3 of them.

Now you're just being sentimental...we've had an injured Portis for the past 2-3 years, and he's barely done anything. Williams added spark to the offense last season that Portis can no longer provide.

This team just has too many holes, big ones, to use either their 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB and I think that is what it will take to better the talent and effort of Portis, even at 30 years of age.

Shanahan is known for grabbing RBs in the later rounds to fit his system; and this draft is deep w/ RB talent. NFL-caliber backs will be available well into the 4th round, so you can guarantee Shanahan has his eyes on a 3-4 backs that will be available in the 5th and 6th rounds.

I don't think he needs the CBA. He's a unrestricted free agent, free to sign with anyone, anytime. I look for him to be snatched up pretty quick. I just hope we don't have to see him twice a year.

Yeah, I realized that after I saw Rogers and Stroud signed last night.
 
Now you're just being sentimental...we've had an injured Portis for the past 2-3 years, and he's barely done anything. Williams added spark to the offense last season that Portis can no longer provide.

I really don't think I am being sentimental here, Lanky. Granted, I'm a Portis fan but I was also a Jansen fan and knew it was time for him to move on as well. Most of Portis' touches came early in the year when the line was seriously struggling yet he still averaged 4.2 yards per carry to Williams 4.0 yards per carry. He also averaged 11 yards per reception to Williams 7.9 (granted, Williams has significantly more receptions so it is fair to assume CP's numbers might have come down some).

Portis has something that can't be coached and doesn't deteriorate with age that I just don't think Torain or Williams have . . . vision. He just sees things better than the other two. This and his decisiveness make him a better back in Shanahan's run game than the other two. Even having lost a step, he is as quick or quicker than either Williams or Torain and he makes more decisive decisions on his cut.

No, he isn't the Clinton Poritis of even 3 years ago and certainly not a premier back anymore like a Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson but the point is that Shanahan has never needed one of those premier backs in his system, isn't it?

Shanahan is known for grabbing RBs in the later rounds to fit his system; and this draft is deep w/ RB talent. NFL-caliber backs will be available well into the 4th round, so you can guarantee Shanahan has his eyes on a 3-4 backs that will be available in the 5th and 6th rounds.

He is also known for reaching on running backs. Bell and Clarett come to mind right off.

This isn't the draft of the mid 90s anymore. Gems are much more rare in the later rounds or rookie free agency. A guy like Terrell Davis would not last to the later rounds now, at least I don't think he would.

I guess at this point I just see a reason to not give Portis another chance at a cap friendly number. Especially considering that anyone new is going to have to learn the system without any mini-camps, OTA's, and much of the usual training camp process.
 
I really don't think I am being sentimental here, Lanky. Granted, I'm a Portis fan but I was also a Jansen fan and knew it was time for him to move on as well. Most of Portis' touches came early in the year when the line was seriously struggling yet he still averaged 4.2 yards per carry to Williams 4.0 yards per carry. He also averaged 11 yards per reception to Williams 7.9 (granted, Williams has significantly more receptions so it is fair to assume CP's numbers might have come down some).

Portis has something that can't be coached and doesn't deteriorate with age that I just don't think Torain or Williams have . . . vision. He just sees things better than the other two. This and his decisiveness make him a better back in Shanahan's run game than the other two. Even having lost a step, he is as quick or quicker than either Williams or Torain and he makes more decisive decisions on his cut.

Ha, its funny how different people see things some times - I've been worried about Portis' open-field vision since 2005. He has great vision to make the first cut, but once he's past the first level, he's got some of the worst vision I've ever seen. When he had his speed in Denver (and for awhile in Washington), he just out ran everyone. But as age caught up to him, you stopped seeing the long runs as often because he always ran the wrong direction around a blocker, or took a bad angle. Several plays jump to mind, but there was a screen against the Broncos that sticks out in particular in my mind.

Portis had Samuels out in front, bulldozing the only guy between him and the endzone. All Portis had to do was go left around Samuels to the end zone. Inexplicably, Portis decided to *not* do that, and ended up being tackled at the 5 or so. Williams, on the other hand, had at least one long receiving TD, in which he weaved around blockers and found his way to the endzone. Nitpicking? Maybe...

No, he isn't the Clinton Poritis of even 3 years ago and certainly not a premier back anymore like a Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson but the point is that Shanahan has never needed one of those premier backs in his system, isn't it?

I suppose...at this point in his career though, I'd much rather see some young & hungry rookies come in and fight for the job. If he'll come back at a discount, sure - let him battle for a spot in training camp. But if not, so long CP.

He is also known for reaching on running backs. Bell and Clarett come to mind right off.

True, but for every Clarrett there is a Mike Anderson or a Peyton Hillis.

This isn't the draft of the mid 90s anymore. Gems are much more rare in the later rounds or rookie free agency. A guy like Terrell Davis would not last to the later rounds now, at least I don't think he would.

I think scouting has gotten better so you might be right - but Davis went to Georgia, its not like he was at some small D2 school or something. Are gems fewer and far between now? I'm not sure...that would probably require some in-depth research that I don't have the time to do. I think we can all agree, however, that the important part is drafting RBs - the Skins have had an aversion to that in recent history.
 

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