2022 Facts that May Only Interest Me

[Boone]

And an externality in producing toxic coaches that rendered potential rival teams into losers.

What does this mean SCP?

 

[Boone]

I guess one thing I would say to challenge you a little bit is to point out that present-day Tom Brady didn't evolve independently of coaching. I think Brady himself would say he is the QB he is, in large part, due to his time with the Patriots (specifically under the tutelage of Belichick). To what degree that influenced him is impossible to know. But Let's not pretend Belichick was just standing around watching it happen

 

[SilentThreat]

Brady might have came here and toiled like Archie Manning. A good QB who had nothing around him. But Brady would still manage to prove himself successful.

Your statement is that Belichick elevated Brady. Belichick is not some offensive maestro like Bill Walsh. Belichick's strengths are gameplanning on defense and culture. And an externality in producing toxic coaches that rendered potential rival teams into losers.

Brady left NE and basically overruled his HC in Tampa to get another. Arians is the furthest thing from Belichick. Tom Brady's offensive competency is his own trade secret. Neither Belichick nor McDaniels has fielded anything comparable once he lef

No, my statement is that Belichick had a hand in DEVELOPING Brady (whether that be him or some other aspect of the organization, he's the head guy). That Belichick took Brady's skillset and developed the team around him to get the most of it. No, New England doesn't have the top ranked QB in the NFL. 2020 was terrible, and 2021 doesn't look great right now, but sandwiched in between that was an offense that was ranked 7th in the NFL in points, with what MOST people believe was supposed to be a project QB that turned out to have best season of all the rookie QBs last season. Now again, Mac Jones was not the best QB on the field on Sunday, but that's the point. A middle of the pack QB and the team averages the 6th most points in the NFL from week to week.

I'm sorry but I think we have to get rid of the idea of generational talent being available, and start to grasp the fact that a very VERY large part of it is also how a player is developed, and an offense is built. Yes, the physical tools are a component, but if Washington drafted Tom Brady, are we celebrating the fact that we have 9 Super Bowls right now?

Starting QBs are available depending on what you do with them. Yes, A LOT of top tier QBs are taken in the first 3, but that's got less to do with the player, and more to do with the evaluation process. There are coaches that routinely get the most out of the QBs (and more-so offenses). Andy Reid, Mike Tomlin, Bill Belichik, Sean McVay, John Harbaugh... guys that seem to win with a multitude of QBs... At times the QBs they have are considered to be truly elite, other times they prove the CAN change the offense (and team for that matter) to get the most of the best 22 on the roster.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Brady might have came here and toiled like Archie Manning. A good QB who had nothing around him. But Brady would still manage to prove himself successful.

Your statement is that Belichick elevated Brady. Belichick is not some offensive maestro like Bill Walsh. Belichick's strengths are gameplanning on defense and culture. And an externality in producing toxic coaches that rendered potential rival teams into losers.

Brady left NE and basically overruled his HC in Tampa to get another. Arians is the furthest thing from Belichick. Tom Brady's offensive competency is his own trade secret. Neither Belichick nor McDaniels has fielded anything comparable once he lef

Where do you think Brady got that knowledge? Brady himself said that it was from the Patriots knowledge of the opposing defense. Now, we know what they do to get that info, but Belichick is the architect of that information.

How good would Aaron Rodgers be in the Patriots offense? Tom Brady apparently has the answer

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Coaching definitely matters and the organization matters. What they were able to do in New England was remarkable. They don’t do that without Brady or Belichick. They definitely elevated each other to be successful. Belichick also won 11 games in freaking Cleveland. Something they have only done once since he was fired. So he’s done some great work even without Brady. All the pieces have to work together to make a team successful.

Here in DC, even when we had some good pieces, the other pieces weren’t good enough. As much as we bag on him and it all fell apart, RG3 was a generational talent. But he never developed and then it all went downhill very fast for him. Other QBs have been drafted with a lot of talent, but never developed. It all has to work together. You need talent, you need coaching, you need a good organizational structure, you need talent around the QB, and the QB needs the desire and work ethic to succeed. We are lucky to get 1 of those things and very lucky to get 2.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Where do you think Brady got that knowledge? Brady himself said that it was from the Patriots knowledge of the opposing defense. Now, we know what they do to get that info, but Belichick is the architect of that information.

How good would Aaron Rodgers be in the Patriots offense? Tom Brady apparently has the answer

www.cbssports.com

Coaching definitely matters and the organization matters. What they were able to do in New England was remarkable. They don’t do that without Brady or Belichick. They definitely elevated each other to be successful. Belichick also won 11 games in freaking Cleveland. Something they have only done once since he was fired. So he’s done some great work even without Brady. All the pieces have to work together to make a team successful.

Here in DC, even when we had some good pieces, the other pieces weren’t good enough. As much as we bag on him and it all fell apart, RG3 was a generational talent. But he never developed and then it all went downhill very fast for him. Other QBs have been drafted with a lot of talent, but never developed. It all has to work together. You need talent, you need coaching, you need a good organizational structure, you need talent around the QB, and the QB needs the desire and work ethic to succeed. We are lucky to get 1 of those things and very lucky to get 2.

Well, this year might have been Bill's intended year to prove his "offensive prowess" with two of his incompetent "children" in Joe Judge and Matt Patricia but Mac Jones got injured.

Given that Rodgers knows how to read defenses extremely well, it's a bit of a stretch to say that whatever the Patriots have on file or tape can really help him out offensively. The rest of the Packers would have definitely benefitted from the discipline Belichick instilled compared to McCarthy's lack thereof. But Belichick's drafting of WRs is actually worse than the Packers' FO despite the Packers not giving Rodgers a first round pass catcher.

When something elevates another, there's usually an implied direct cause of some result. Like Shanahan's zone scheme elevating production of RBs that get plugged into that system.

Based on one video I watched, RGIII's rookie season was in part to due a strategic/schematic boost/elevation that all the parties went away from in future years, with RGIII himself wanting to play like Aaron Rodgers.